Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Mr Alan wrote: »

Kess, that is total bull**** re: last 14 games for Kenny being the ones to compare to Rodgers first 14 games. Total bull****. Games towards seasons end are often dull & pointless affairs when there is nothing on the line in them, as there was for much of the games you're referring to. Same cant be said for Rodgers run of games.

Far more accurate to compare;

1) first 14 games of last season
2) Kenny's first 14 games after arriving

Similarly for those saying "oh Lucas is out so it's not fair to compare", well we've brought 40m odd worth of central midfielders into the squad since last season so it's not surprising to see we are coping a little better with his loss.

Despite all the waxing lyrical about long term, blah blah, yada young players yada....if our results over the next 6 weeks don't improve dramatically, Rodgers may last less time than Hodgson.

It is pretty retarded to compare the first 14 from each season and you know it. Last 14 to first 14 makes more sense because they run together and any improvement or disimprovement is easy to spot. The most obvious and most accurate comparison, if people want to compare him to Kenny's season would be to judge how the man does over 38 games and then see how the points match up.

As for the games towards the season's end being pointless and somehow not counting as sh1t form, well I guess the end of that season must have started in January because we lost 11 league games between the 3rd of January and the last game of the season. That's one hell of a cop out Alan to try and make out that there was nothing on the line for half of a league season because last season that team gave up in the league pretty much once Xmas was over. Last I checked we had an outside chance of a CL position when January started so there was plenty for that team to play for.

Also our best haul of points in the second half of last season came in the final six games where were got 9 points from 18, so if anything the team improved in the final games compared to the 9 from 39 points the team managed in the 13 games before the final six games.

18 points from a possible 57. Makes Rodger's 16 from 42 look almost decent, and it also means that Rodgers took over a team that was very much on a downward trend in the league with a full five months of poor form to it's name.


This season in the league has been nowhere near good enough to date, but it still does not reach the depths of the spineless collapse from January to May last season in the league.


Rodgers took over a team that seemed to have gotten used to not playing for their manager, and got the job of trying to turn that failure around. Is he good enough to do that? I really don't know, I hope he is though, but it will take longer than what he has gotten so far to find that out, and like that or not, that's where things are right now.

What we don't need is to get back on the managerial merry go round. Chopping and changing has messed the club up ( owner issues notwithstanding), so the man needs time, a season at the very least, to try and start turning things around.

I think I share some of your frustrations to be honest, but there is no quick fix for our club. As last season drew to an end I was worried about becoming a full time mid table club, based on how we had done from Rafa's final season onwards. Now I think Rodgers is the manager who is getting the brunt of people's frustration due to him having to pick up the pieces from three poor league campaigns on the spin, and patience may be short because of those three seasons.

But it has to be Janaury for me. It has to be January to see if there are genuine signs of moves towards improvement. I don't expect all to be sorted in January, but the owners need to back their man in a way that allows him to bring in enough quality to warrant the same kind of backing in the summer. If the owners decide that they don't want to back their man, well a lot of questions will be answered and many doubts will solidify.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Kenny did not write the cheques, Not his fault price of players, And not even sure he was one picking the players, Downing, Henderson, Adam,
reeks of Stats , How could they fail !!

Has Comolli written all over it , A mutual decision to go ahead with buying them once Comolli make case for these signings ,????
Only guessing,

And how much of the money that Kenny spent was owners?
Zero ! All clubs money ?????

Educate me

Yep all of them landed here without Kenny's say so.

Sick of the moddly coddliing, whatever you make of it.

Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Enrique, Adam and Suarez landed without the slightest inkling from Dalglish.

Run with that one.

So Suarez has nothing to do with Dalglish.

whippedcream wrote: »

Christ if i knew seb coates was gonna get so little game time this year id have said put him on loan.

I would put him on loan for the second half of the season . Maybe Villa or Norwich could make good use of him .

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I would put him on loan for the second half of the season . Maybe Villa or Norwich could make good use of him .

Yeah, he needs way more minutes then hes getting and playing him in the reserves would be embaressing tbh for him. At 22 hes still young for a cb but he needs game time and hes not even getting a whole load of that in the europa. He was highly rated.i believe when we signed him so i hope we dont force him from us by not giving him any game time and at the moment it appears we dont rotate at all.

We won a Carling Cup by putting 11 behind the ball, Carra on a DM in a 8-1-1 formation . You'd swear it was Kenny Dalglish sexy football.

Nostalgic nonsense.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

What has any of the above to do with:

- playing Gerrard in a deep lying role when anyone paying a small bit of attention knows it's not his best position and will hamper the very style the manager wishes to implement;
- knackering Sterling;
- playing Downing at left back;
- playing Borrini out wide;
- describing tonight's performance as "magnificent", "outstanding" and "relentless";

?

Time to face up to your boy's handling of team affairs. 24 competitive games under the belt now...

Last years press conference would have been mumbled through, any better or worse than tonights???

K-9 wrote: »

Yep all of them landed here without Kenny's say so.

Sick of the moddly coddliing, whatever you make of it.

Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Enrique, Adam and Suarez landed without the slightest inkling from Dalglish.

Run with that one.

So Suarez has nothing to do with Dalglish.

Kenny is a very agree-able sort of guy, To suggest he had the only input
is silly , And he is likely to give in when discussing players with Comolli, Likely to come to a mutual agreement to
go for that player on recommendation of others, But no way was Kenny the one negotiating the transfer fee and the amount paid ,
Reason Comolli left club,
Plus all of Kennys signing are still valuable players,

Suarez --- 40 million
Henderson-10 million
Downing---10 million
Carroll

---

15 million
Enrique----12 million

Not as if that money is down the drain,

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Kenny is a very agree-able sort of guy, To suggest he had the only input
is silly , And he is likely to give in when discussing players with Comolli, Likely to come to a mutual agreement to
go for that player on recommendation of others, But no way was Kenny the one negotiating the transfer fee and the amount paid ,
Reason Comolli left club,
Plus all of Kennys signing are still valuable players,

Suarez --- 40 million
Henderson-10 million
Downing---10 million
Carroll

---

15 million
Enrique----12 million

Not as if that money is down the drain,

If we get 5 million for downing id be amazed, andy will go for alright money but not that much and wee probably break even on enrique, lets not forget he was poor from after christmas till a few games ago


All hypothetical though, only downing will be sold in the near future

mada999 wrote: »

Borini - looks like a dud alright, but our previous managers bought duds for more dosh

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Unfortunately, this wont justify the current manager spending over the odds on players, just because the last one did. Its not Man City or Chelsea where the money pit is almost bottomless, at Liverpool any mid-large size investment has to work. Financial constraints mean the room for error in the market is far tighter

Dub13 wrote: »

All I can say is " Agent Benitez is doing a tremendous job."

No he's not. I had Chelsea in a last man standing. Over 300 started and before this game-week it was down to 9. Thought twas in the bag with Rafa to come through for me. :rolleyes:

We dominated Spurs in second half,
Really could have gotten draw

We need some more players,
Really feel its only a matter of time
We will rise again, Beat everyone at home
Lose only 3-4 games a season,

Find it very annoying Sahin is on the bench to be honest. Gerrard and Allen have been pretty poor and a great deal of Allen's passes are to the side or back the way. We're crying out for quality and we're leaving Sahin on the bench.

Not to mention Assaidi has been very underused in the PL this year. Enrique has performed well as a winger but he's a LB and should play there instead of Downing. But we have Assaidi, who has shown he has great pace and dribbling skills, lying on the bench.

Think Southampton is the perfect time to start him tbh. They have conceded 31 goals and I'd fancy us to score a few against them if we started with Assaidi out wide. Hopefully Gazzaniga keeps his place in goal as well as he has look very very dodgy.

I really doubt Allen or Gerrard will be dropped but I'd like to see Sahin and possibly Shelvey start on Saturday.

Can't understand people writing Borini off either. He's had about 7-8 games for us in the PL and most of them he has been played OOP. Give him time when he get's back. It will be like a new signing for us in January/Feb time.