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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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  • #3032
    joe123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,537 ✭✭✭joe123


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    WE SHOULD BE DOING A LOT BETTER THAN 16 POINTS FROM A POSSIBLE 42

    True....from here till the 13th of January will be a better barometer. Very winnable games.


  • #3033
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,872 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    December
    Sat - 1 Southampton H 15:00 W
    Sun - 9 West Ham A 16:00 D
    Sat - 15 Aston Villa H 15:00 W
    Sat - 22 Fulham H 17:30 W
    Wed - 26 Stoke City A 19:45 D
    Sun - 30 QPR A 16:00 D

    January 2013
    Wed - 2 Sunderland H 19:45 W
    Sun - 13 Man United A 13:30 L
    Sat - 19 Norwich H 15:00 W
    Wed - 30 Arsenal A 19:45 L

    February 2013
    Sat - 2 Manchester City A 15:00 L

    The next 11 league games. Even doing ok, I would expect the above to be the average of what we achieve then, and that's 18 points form those 11 league games, which would have us on 34 from 25 played, but they way we are scoring I certainly wouldn't be confident of 18 points. Even with somewhat easier games on paper after the above, it will take a miracle for us to finish top 4 now. If things pan out as above, some will point to a patch of 1 league defeat in 16 games, which would be remarkable for a team that low down, but 8 of those being draws minimises the effectiveness of that tbh. There is potential there, but this team has forgotten how to win games on the spin. We would likely still be about 12th with 34 from 25 which for Liverpool is scandalous.

    We have been saying for 2 years that the results will get better, but they haven't. It's depressing stuff being a Liverpool fan in the 2010's.


  • #3034
    daithijjj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I know this, but we aren't maximizing the resources on our books at present. Andy Carroll would be handy to have around. We're certainly gaining nothing by having him down in London. I don't see us doing much in the January window, but team affairs are not being run optimally right now either.

    In isolation im not too bothered about Carroll not being there, the onus was on us to bring someone in. The real troubles are just basic stuff, if we dont even have a proper communication line between owners and manager i dont even want to know what else is going on behind the scenes for fear i might implode.


  • #3035
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    @Luckylloyd

    £35 Million Carroll
    £20 Million Downing
    £6 Million Adam

    £61 Million on loan, sold or likely to be told to get the feck out.

    £6 Million Enrique, now a converted left winger, who we'll alll fall in love with, then he'll get bored, same as so many of ye thought he was he best thing since sliced bread a year ago, a Kenny decent signing, lets exalt him to the Heavens.

    Anyway, so Enrique £6 Million
    Henderson £16 Million, he has tackled a bit and thrown shapes across the pitch, brilliant.

    Another £21 Million wasted, or well might be useful in the future.

    £22 Million Suarez.

    Let Meireles go, a decision you heavily critised heavily at the time. WE could do with a Meireles or a Maxi now. Maxi scored goals, Kenny didn't pick him. Rodgers wanted him to stay.

    All this Rodgers has to deal with.

    Fecking Sounness signings and losing Meireles and Maxi along the way.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #3036
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    WE SHOULD BE DOING A LOT BETTER THAN 16 POINTS FROM A POSSIBLE 42

    Spurs really arent a good team, more and more this this year seems like a lost opportunity
    Was encouraged by some of the attacking play tonight, but i amnt sure if it wa cos we were good or spurs bad..


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  • #3037
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    But a team's points in isolation is the barometer for judging their progression or regression. And if you're more worried about us this year than last you aren't living in the real world to be frank. We're nowhere near you this season.

    Yous are 5 behind us at the moment compared to 3 at the same point last season and are missing Lucas this year so far.
    As for points in isolation, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea all have fewer points than the same time last year.

    Do you fancy a little bet on where Liverpool will finish this season? Not sure if you're one of those who've mentioned bottom half as a possibility but I'd definitely go for that. Liverpool will finish no worse than 7th and I would them to catch Everton while they're at it.


  • #3038
    mada999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,222 ✭✭✭mada999


    donfers wrote: »
    Rodgers is going on about penalties for gerrard and suarez, on first look i didn't think either were penalties -

    Deffo not a penalty for Suarez as Gallas clearly got the ball, but I think Gerrard should have got a penalty if the ref was to be consistant. Dempsey was given a foul for something similar if i recall


  • #3039
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    K-9 wrote: »
    £35 Million Carroll
    £20 Million Downing
    £6 Million Adam

    £61 Million on loan, sold or likely to be told to get the feck out.

    £6 Million Enrique, now a converted left winger, who we'll alll fall out of love with once he gets bored, same as so many of ye thought he was he best thing since last bread a year ago, a Kenny decent signing, lets exalt him to the Heavens.

    Anyway, so Enrique £6 Million
    Henderson £16 Million, he has tackled a bit and thrown shapes across the pitch, brilliant.

    Another £21 Million wasted, or well might be useful in the future.

    £22 Million Suarez.

    Let Meireles go, a decision you heavily critised heavily at the time. WE could do with a Meireles or a Maxi now. Maxi scored goals, Kenny didn't pick him. Rodgers wanted him to stay.

    All this Rodgers has to deal with.

    Fecking Sounness signings and losing Meireles and Maxi along the way.

    Has Kenny done any interviews since leaving that admitted culpability in terms of the signings he made - has to be the worst series of signings in premier league history.....I know Comolli was part of it but didn't Kenny say he had the final say on signings, I wonder how he feels about them know


  • #3040
    mada999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,222 ✭✭✭mada999


    Luckycharms_74 wrote: »
    I guarantee you that United would have won that game with the score line 2-1.
    The next month is make or break for rodgers. It's put up or shut up.

    Utd have serious attacking talent, we do not...


  • #3041
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,705 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yous are 5 behind us at the moment compared to 3 at the same point last season and are missing Lucas this year so far.
    As for points in isolation, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea all have fewer points than the same time last year.

    Do you fancy a little bet on where Liverpool will finish this season? Not sure if you're one of those who've mentioned bottom half as a possibility but I'd definitely go for that. Liverpool will finish no worse than 7th and I would them to catch Everton while they're at it.

    I have a decent amount of action on Liverpool O / U points bets so I'm set for the year wagering wise, ty.


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  • #3042
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    The excuses being bandied about for Rodgers performance in the job this far are quite incredible.

    He is performing appallingly in his job, there's no other way to dress it up.


  • #3043
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    mada999 wrote: »
    Utd have serious attacking talent, we do not...

    Actually i think youll find that Spurs beat Utd from a similar position this year ;)


  • #3044
    Pyjamarama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,308 ✭✭✭Pyjamarama


    Rodgers has shown glimpses of real top level management. People want him to come in and miracles to happen... with the fact that the previous two seasons provided us with such a negative impact on the squad he's in a nightmare of a situation. Combined with the fact that he was given feck all cash in the summer and i don't know what people want...

    Has he been perfect this season? Nope... not even close. Has any manager been perfect this season? Didn't think so... if given time i think we have a manager capable of making us into the kind of club we all feel we deserve to be.


  • #3045
    mada999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,222 ✭✭✭mada999


    mada999 wrote: »
    what would you do ? It's rank we are not getting results, it's rank that we are sometimes playin well but not getting the points... with the team we have what would you do? What can Rodgers do? I don't think he has the players imo...

    we don't have enough attacking quality. Up front tonight, Suarez is world class, Raheem is hit and miss but only 17, and tbh I thought Enrique was our best player tonight but he is a full back...

    we need money invested in the team and money spent on quality, everyone we bring in has to work. it's not that easy though.

    Enrique was our best player tonight if you ask me

    I'm not sure what people want, its gonna take us a while to get back and i don't think Rodgers should get the full blame on this because of the shíte we bought over the last couple of years

    hello Luckylloyd can you answer the few questions i posed here?


  • #3046
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    If he's fit and ready he has to come in

    there is just about fit and ready and there is fit and ready

    i dont want to have LFC after xmas without him...

    rather be patient.


  • #3047
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,705 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    K-9 wrote: »
    @Luckylloyd

    £35 Million Carroll
    £20 Million Downing
    £6 Million Adam

    £61 Million on loan, sold or likely to be told to get the feck out.

    £6 Million Enrique, now a converted left winger, who we'll alll fall in love with, then he'll get bored, same as so many of ye thought he was he best thing since last bread a year ago, a Kenny decent signing, lets exalt him to the Heavens.

    Anyway, so Enrique £6 Million
    Henderson £16 Million, he has tackled a bit and thrown shapes across the pitch, brilliant.

    Another £21 Million wasted, or well might be useful in the future.

    £22 Million Suarez.

    Let Meireles go, a decision you heavily critised heavily at the time. WE could do with a Meireles or a Maxi now. Maxi scored goals, Kenny didn't pick him. Rodgers wanted him to stay.

    All this Rodgers has to deal with.

    Fecking Sounness signings and losing Meireles and Maxi along the way.

    What has any of the above to do with:

    - playing Gerrard in a deep lying role when anyone paying a small bit of attention knows it's not his best position and will hamper the very style the manager wishes to implement;
    - knackering Sterling;
    - playing Downing at left back;
    - playing Borrini out wide;
    - describing tonight's performance as "magnificent", "outstanding" and "relentless";

    ?

    Time to face up to your boy's handling of team affairs. 24 competitive games under the belt now...


  • #3048
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,705 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    mada999 wrote: »
    hello Luckylloyd can you answer the few questions i posed here?

    He is not implementing the best tactics, he is not playing playing players in their best positions, he is not speaking appropriately given the club's history relative to current performances.

    He is not doing anything near the best job possible, difficult context notwithstanding.

    Watch out folks, we're moving toward a permanent lowering of expectations...


  • #3049
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,872 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I have a decent amount of action on Liverpool O / U points bets so I'm set for the year wagering wise, ty.

    What's the line? Per point spread or straight over under?


  • #3050
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    he is not speaking appropriately given the club's history relative to current performances.

    **** me.


  • #3051
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,705 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    5starpool wrote: »
    What's the line? Per point spread or straight over under?

    Straight over / under.

    I got a small bit of action at 64 points which I feel great about. :)

    And a more significant bit at 60, which I'm confident about.

    Actually, both those things will suck, money notwithstanding. :(


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  • #3052
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Honestly whatawaster, you cannot think his performance thus far is acceptable in the long run, right?


  • #3053
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    donfers wrote: »
    Has Kenny done any interviews since leaving that admitted culpability in terms of the signings he made - has to be the worst series of signings in premier league history.....I know Comolli was part of it but didn't Kenny say he had the final say on signings, I wonder how he feels about them know

    I don't know.

    Kenny would have us targeting 4 th according to Lucky so does it really matter? Kenny reigns supreme no matter what.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #3054
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Honestly whatawaster, you cannot think his performance thus far is acceptable in the long run, right?

    that's probably the important bit.


  • #3055
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Honestly whatawaster, you cannot think his performance thus far is acceptable in the long run, right?

    Have I given any indication that I do?

    My view is that results alone cannot reliably project what we will do in the future.

    If we had beaten Man United and Man City, as we deserved to and we had beaten Everton, where we were blatantly robbed of 3 points - we would be in an excellent position.

    But things would still not be ok. We might have more points, but not enough that I think it will make a difference this season.

    I might be alone in thinking this, but I think we have performed pretty well in the league this season. I'm convinced we will see the fruit of the work we have done between now and the end of the season.


  • #3056
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    I think some fans just need to get through the next two phases of hope before they see the wood from the trees.

    Phase#1 Lucas return is gonna sort out the MF and allow Allen, Sahin and Gerrard play in more suited rolls (insert rolling eyes smiley)

    Phase#2 The striker of all strikers is gonna join the ranks in January and we are gong to become the Brendan Rodgers Barca brigade MKII (insert roll eyes smiley)

    When all the above are complete and we still find ourselves with a low ppg who then is gonna get the blame or where else are the excuse going to come from?

    That paragraph posted earlier (from Rawk I think) was spot on-why are we always looking forward?
    Look at the now and 16 from 42 points is disgraceful for the players available to Rodgers no matter how thin the squad is.
    He is under performing and to say otherwise is deluded ( hate using that word!)


  • #3057
    mada999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,222 ✭✭✭mada999


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    He is not implementing the best tactics, he is not playing playing players in their best positions, he is not speaking appropriately given the club's history relative to current performances.

    He is not doing anything near the best job possible, difficult context notwithstanding.

    Watch out folks, we're moving toward a permanent lowering of expectations...

    I asked you what can he do with the players he has, Mr. Alan you can chip in too if you want.

    About lowering of expectations, Hodgo started that and Kenny continued that in the league*

    LuckyLloyd what formation and team should we play?


  • #3058
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Leiva wrote: »
    I think some fans just need to get through the next two phases of hope before they see the wood from the trees.

    Phase#1 Lucas return is gonna sort out the MF and allow Allen, Sahin and Gerrard play in more suited rolls (insert rolling eyes smiley)

    Phase#2 The striker of all strikers is gonna join the ranks in January and we are gong to become the Brendan Rodgers Barca brigade MKII (insert roll eyes smiley)

    When all the above are complete and we still find ourselves with a low ppg who then is gonna get the blame or where else are the excuse going to come from?

    That paragraph posted earlier (from Rawk I think) was spot on-why are we always looking forward?
    Look at the now and 16 from 42 points is disgraceful for the players available to Rodgers no matter how thin the squad is.
    He is under performing and to say otherwise is deluded ( hate using that word!)

    Why so pessimistic?


  • #3059
    donfers
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭donfers


    what did the motd "analysts" say about the two pen appeals?


  • #3060
    daithijjj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    imagefromurl?size=medium&url=http%3A%2F%2Flockerz.com%2Fs%2F264929374

    Hope FSG are watching..........


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  • #3061
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,872 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Where do people think we will finish points wise this season? I think 53 is a likely ballpark amount, which is 1 point better off than last season.


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