Nokia Lumia 920

evolutionqy7 · 27-11-2012 01:59PM

Phoenix wrote: »

What makes this phone better than the Iphone 5 or SGS3

I havent played with it yet, but going by the reviews camera is the main sellings point, then we have wireless charging and exclusive Nokia apps and Nokia drive + 2 year warranty vs the rest going for less. HD+ screen with the fastest reponse times.

Build quality is meant to be sturdier than the iPhone. Light years ahead of S3.
Theres also Windows Phone itself. In trade you do lose a lot of Irish Apps. I wouldnt be too worried about national companies as most of them have official apps or something close to replace it. Where as apps for paddies are still growing slowly bit by bit, but you can always use the web browser and pin the site to the homescreen.

Main reason why I love WP7/8 is cause of fast, fluid and pretty UX.

Its just a pitty Nokia as usual have left us so far behind release dates.

ShadowHearth · 27-11-2012 02:53PM

John2009 wrote: »

Have just ordered my red Lumia 920 from Clove, all in cost was €675 including FedEx 1 -2 day delivery

clove got it for 650eu, which is ALOT better then 750eu from expansys. So maybe we got a chance that local O2 and others will sell it for 550-600eu? i dont care if its locked to O2. they are the only ones i can get normal reception at work and home.

InTheTrees · 27-11-2012 05:22PM

Phoenix wrote: »

What makes this phone better than the Iphone 5 or SGS3

I've used it for a few weeks now from an iPhone4 and the first thing is build quality. Its Solid. It doesnt need a case. I got a kind of sleeve to put it in but mostly for rain protection. Apparently its passed some pretty rigorous drop tests. I got a matte black one (I'm in usa) to avoid the slipperyness of the glossy colours and it feels really good.

Ergonomically nicer than the iphone too. Its Big but it fits in one hand easily and the buttons are all on the left side where they should be. Its heavy too. About the same as an iphone5 with a protective case on it(!), but a lot of it is battery, which is okay because I'm on Day Two now (i'm not an intensive user, 2 calls, 2 texts and a little surfing and I'm at 92% charge).

The display is beautiful. As I posted before. The Black in the display is really Black, not like an iphone which is really a shade of grey, and it makes all the colours far more vibrant. The resolution is higher than retina too.

The camera is cool too. Zeiss lens. I'm not a great photographer but it has some tricky tech for anti-jiggle. I took a few test shots with no blurryness. Low light pictures are impressive too.

I havent had any reboots or rattles or any issues either. Touch wood...

Griffinx · 28-11-2012 12:21AM

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-920-and-nokia-lumia-820-announced-in-netherland-device-availability-from-jan-2013/

Might be a similar announcement from Nokia Ireland next week.

kirving · 28-11-2012 12:49AM

Accoring to Meteor, they aren't getting it full stop. Watered down 820 is coming next year though apparently.

pleasant Co. · 28-11-2012 10:32AM

Meh, i was gonna buy mine unlocked anyway

testicle · 28-11-2012 10:37AM

Griffinx wrote: »

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-920-and-nokia-lumia-820-announced-in-netherland-device-availability-from-jan-2013/

Might be a similar announcement from Nokia Ireland next week.

I said earlier that there would be. No one believed me.

Hesht · 28-11-2012 11:18AM

The price is dropping daily on expansys, down to 705 euro now http://www.expansys.ie/s.aspx?search=lumia%20920

pleasant Co. · 28-11-2012 11:18AM

testicle wrote: »

I said earlier that there would be. No one believed me.

Who are you?

ShadowHearth · 28-11-2012 11:52AM

Hesht wrote: »

The price is dropping daily on expansys, down to 705 euro now http://www.expansys.ie/s.aspx?search=lumia%20920

now thats a great sign. drop to 600eu and i wont consider any other option anymore.

evolutionqy7 · 28-11-2012 11:59AM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

now thats a great sign. drop to 500eu and i wont consider any other option anymore.

Fixed that

Griffinx · 28-11-2012 12:35PM

Hesht wrote: »

The price is dropping daily on expansys, down to 705 euro now http://www.expansys.ie/s.aspx?search=lumia%20920

They just adjusted their exchange rate to something more realistic...still a €20 premium more than expansys.com

NiallDLK · 28-11-2012 02:09PM

Just notice Nokia Lumia 920 Support page on Vodafone.ie: http://deviceguides.vodafone.ie/web/nokia-lumia-920/. So Vodafone must be going to supply it.

Hesht · 28-11-2012 04:02PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Fixed that

Why would you under price a phone like this? €600 is fine for it. You never know, like the dutch we could get the free wireless charging plate

evolutionqy7 · 28-11-2012 04:22PM

Hesht wrote: »

Why would you under price a phone like this? €600 is fine for it. You never know, like the dutch we could get the free wireless charging plate

Cause features alone sometimes isn't enough to get people to switch. I mean its an excellent phone, but if an average Joe is looking at a Lumia and an iPhone 5. Both cost 600 what's he going to pick? The fallen phone maker or the so popular fruit phone that everyone loves.

Apple is the new Nokia in the smartphone world. Good build quality and excellent design. Sales staff aren't going to be pitching this over fruits or droid unless the person gets attracted to the price.

Why would they? It would make their job harder of actually trying to sell. Most of them aren't even going to read the spec. They will probably see the big fat build and write it off without a valid reason just like they do for the 800 already

ShadowHearth · 28-11-2012 04:39PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Cause features alone sometimes isn't enough to get people to switch. I mean its an excellent phone, but if an average Joe is looking at a Lumia and an iPhone 5. Both cost 600 what's he going to pick? The fallen phone maker or the so popular fruit phone that everyone loves.

Apple is the new Nokia in the smartphone world. Good build quality and excellent design. Sales staff aren't going to be pitching this over fruits or droid unless the person gets attracted to the price.

Why would they? It would make their job harder of actually trying to sell. Most of them aren't even going to read the spec. They will probably see the big fat build and write it off without a valid reason just like they do for the 800 already

so far lumia range sells like hot pancakes. Nokia id not even anticipated such a demand. 600eu it would be still a lot Cheaper, then unlocked iphone 5.

Hesht · 28-11-2012 05:00PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Cause features alone sometimes isn't enough to get people to switch. I mean its an excellent phone, but if an average Joe is looking at a Lumia and an iPhone 5. Both cost 600 what's he going to pick? The fallen phone maker or the so popular fruit phone that everyone loves.

Apple is the new Nokia in the smartphone world. Good build quality and excellent design. Sales staff aren't going to be pitching this over fruits or droid unless the person gets attracted to the price.

Why would they? It would make their job harder of actually trying to sell. Most of them aren't even going to read the spec. They will probably see the big fat build and write it off without a valid reason just like they do for the 800 already

iPhone build quality has gone downhill since 4. Build quality means the screen won't crack when it falls out of your pocket. Nokia have them trumped there, and have for a while. As for design, Apple really failed with the new iPhone. It looks too. . . tall, and feels awkward to hold as a result.

Lumia 920 has been selling really well so far, better than Nokia anticipated. That's probably the main reason why we haven't got it here yet

pleasant Co. · 28-11-2012 05:04PM

evolutionqy7 wrote:

Both cost 600 what's he going to pick? The fallen phone maker or the so popular fruit phone that everyone loves.

Ah but the iPhone 5 unlocked already costs a lot more than 600

evolutionqy7 · 28-11-2012 05:05PM

Meh. I like the iPhone 5 build quality and it makes it easy to hold because its nice and narrow. The back won't shatter as easy anymore cause majority of the glass is gone.

I just don't think its such a massive demand, i think its a massive shortage. That's just my opinion though

Hesht · 28-11-2012 05:13PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Meh. I like the iPhone 5 build quality and it makes it easy to hold because its nice and narrow. The back won't shatter as easy anymore cause majority of the glass is gone.

I just don't think its such a massive demand, i think its a massive shortage. That's just my opinion though

The fact that it could shatter on the 4 and 4s is ridiculous, and really marked them down in terms of build quality. iPhone 5 is better in that sense, but still nothing compared to others (Not just the Lumia, but some Android phones, too).

And as for the demand, you may be right

evolutionqy7 · 28-11-2012 05:49PM

Hesht wrote: »

The fact that it could shatter on the 4 and 4s is ridiculous, and really marked them down in terms of build quality. iPhone 5 is better in that sense, but still nothing compared to others (Not just the Lumia, but some Android phones, too).

And as for the demand, you may be right

The glass shattered, but they still sold in massive numbers. Its not that build quality was crap. Its glass, it shatters like any other type of glass if dropped.

I meant as in It was a solid phone. No major manufacturing faults, it was slim small and easy to hold in your hands. Might not have been extremly great for internet browsing or watching movies but you couldnt flaw its hardware and design.
You drop it, its sort of your own fault and ive seen more cracked and destroyed iPhones than I can count.

Just from the experience with talking to people, especially first time smartphone buyers. They want the iPhone even though they have no clue what it is, what it looks like or what does it do. They just heard good feedback about it.

Right now WP8 is a fairly mature platform, blog sites are not saying that its a young platoform and it needs time for apps to grow. Pretty much all of them these days are saying that WP8 has a lack of apps and its a problem.

So as to my previous point, just because you have a :

Fancy camera
Wireless charging (which costs 50 euro min for the pad)
Nokia Drive
60 FPS screen (most people wont even notice it)

I just dont see a quantum leap to drive people in masses on features alone, the only way I see it, is to differenciate on price till they recover some marketshare that they lost.

Why do you think nearly every girl loves the iPhone?
Because its small and thin and it fits into their small little hands without the problem,
I see so many women coming up to the counter and saying that the S3 is huge and they couldnt hold that in their hand so imagine the 920 where its relatively the same size but a lot bulkier.

Theres also an image problem, Nokia isn't cool anymore. This summer I started seeing a huge amount of Lumia 800's, but all the owners are middle or past that middle aged men. You wont see a young guy or a girl holding it, they will have an iPhone or an S3

Anyway. Ill let my mind judge it once I get to play with it in person.

/rantover

ShadowHearth · 28-11-2012 06:30PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

The glass shattered, but they still sold in massive numbers. Its not that build quality was crap. Its glass, it shatters like any other type of glass if dropped.

I meant as in It was a solid phone. No major manufacturing faults, it was slim small and easy to hold in your hands. Might not have been extremly great for internet browsing or watching movies but you couldnt flaw its hardware and design.
You drop it, its sort of your own fault and ive seen more cracked and destroyed iPhones than I can count.

Just from the experience with talking to people, especially first time smartphone buyers. They want the iPhone even though they have no clue what it is, what it looks like or what does it do. They just heard good feedback about it.

Right now WP8 is a fairly mature platform, blog sites are not saying that its a young platoform and it needs time for apps to grow. Pretty much all of them these days are saying that WP8 has a lack of apps and its a problem.

So as to my previous point, just because you have a :
Fancy camera

Wireless charging (which costs 50 euro min for the pad)

Nokia Drive

60 FPS screen (most people wont even notice it)

I just dont see a quantum leap to drive people in masses on features alone, the only way I see it, is to differenciate on price till they recover some marketshare that they lost.

Why do you think nearly every girl loves the iPhone?
Because its small and thin and it fits into their small little hands without the problem,
I see so many women coming up to the counter and saying that the S3 is huge and they couldnt hold that in their hand so imagine the 920 where its relatively the same size but a lot bulkier.

Theres also an image problem, Nokia isn't cool anymore. This summer I started seeing a huge amount of Lumia 800's, but all the owners are middle or past that middle aged men. You wont see a young guy or a girl holding it, they will have an iPhone or an S3

Anyway. Ill let my mind judge it once I get to play with it in person.

/rantover

right... so major problem of lumia is that it is not an iphone! :pac:

It is doing great so far. people like it and buy it, even at those prices. Lumia and W8 is a breath of fresh air and even fanboys of android and iphone should see it as a good thing. More competition will mean better quality and better prices of all brands and platforms.

BostonB · 28-11-2012 06:34PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

...
Why do you think nearly every girl loves the iPhone?
Because its small and thin and it fits into their small little hands without the problem, ...r

Can't agree with that. People could buy an android of similar size if they wanted. There's also smaller slimmer phones available if people wanted those.

Apart from the iPhone being fashionable, the main reason the iPhone sells so well is that it works (functionally) extremely well and its easy to use.

Techies love new stuff though. The 920/820 are the new kids on the block. WP7 was a largely a positive experience for most, and it looks like most of the asked for features are being added to WP8. Whats not to like.

Hesht · 28-11-2012 06:39PM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

The glass shattered, but they still sold in massive numbers. Its not that build quality was crap. Its glass, it shatters like any other type of glass if dropped.

I meant as in It was a solid phone. No major manufacturing faults, it was slim small and easy to hold in your hands. Might not have been extremly great for internet browsing or watching movies but you couldnt flaw its hardware and design.
You drop it, its sort of your own fault and ive seen more cracked and destroyed iPhones than I can count.

Just from the experience with talking to people, especially first time smartphone buyers. They want the iPhone even though they have no clue what it is, what it looks like or what does it do. They just heard good feedback about it.

Right now WP8 is a fairly mature platform, blog sites are not saying that its a young platoform and it needs time for apps to grow. Pretty much all of them these days are saying that WP8 has a lack of apps and its a problem.

So as to my previous point, just because you have a :
Fancy camera

Wireless charging (which costs 50 euro min for the pad)

Nokia Drive

60 FPS screen (most people wont even notice it)

I just dont see a quantum leap to drive people in masses on features alone, the only way I see it, is to differenciate on price till they recover some marketshare that they lost.

Why do you think nearly every girl loves the iPhone?
Because its small and thin and it fits into their small little hands without the problem,
I see so many women coming up to the counter and saying that the S3 is huge and they couldnt hold that in their hand so imagine the 920 where its relatively the same size but a lot bulkier.

Theres also an image problem, Nokia isn't cool anymore. This summer I started seeing a huge amount of Lumia 800's, but all the owners are middle or past that middle aged men. You wont see a young guy or a girl holding it, they will have an iPhone or an S3

Anyway. Ill let my mind judge it once I get to play with it in person.

/rantover

Yes, electronic hardware faults weren't high, but build quality includes a screen cracking (Or shattering, as I have seen). A friend of mine has had 3 replacement iPhones because he dropped his. I am not disputing how well (or badly) made the inner workings of the phone are, just that the exterior build quality was very sub-par. Personally I don't like the iPhone 4/5 designs, but that's neither here nor there.

As for if it's cool or not, I agree. It has become far less cool to own a Nokia. But there are a few things Nokia are trying to fight back with in that sense; colour choices, 720p screen, brilliant camera. People like to express themselves, and having a phone that isn't black or white without it having a cover should give it more appeal.

There's one thing I'm finding it harder and harder to understand: how can you take a decent picture with a light phone? I had a Galaxy S2 and, unfortunately, I have reasonably shaky hands. So when I went to take a photo with it, my hands were shaking so much that the photo would be unnecessarily blurry. This all changed when I switched to my Lumia 800 (No, I'm not a middle aged man :P) the weight of it helped keep it steady in my hand and, suddenly, my photos were coming through clearly. Having a physical camera button helped, too. Aside from that I was always worried I'd lost my phone cos I couldn't feel it in my pocket

I guess it's all up to preference. I like WP7, but more than that, I want it to overtake Android. I wouldn't even care if iOS was the most popular, but after using an Android phone for months I realised what so many people had been telling me for years. It is awful to use. Windows Phone is actually nice. It's different to the other two, it's simple and it's a nice medium between too much freedom (So much crap in Android as a result) and not enough freedom (iOS).

So vOv

Inquitus · 28-11-2012 06:42PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

right... so major problem of lumia is that it is not an iphone! :pac:

It is doing great so far. people like it and buy it, even at those prices. Lumia and W8 is a breath of fresh air and even fanboys of android and iphone should see it as a good thing. More competition will mean better quality and better prices of all brands and platforms.

Windows Phone including 6.x and 7 has 2% Smartphone OS Marketshare after more than a year on the market. The app selection in the appstore is woeful, and the quality of the cross platform apps that actually make it as far as WP are noticeably poorer.

WP does not get any major shop presence or carrier buy in in any European country I have visited recently. The workers in the shops don't push it, the stores are full of droids, and large iPhone displays, and at best a couple of WP handsets. You don't see ads on TV or in the papers for WP and it's fair to say outside of the Tech cogniscenti it doesnt lack mindshare it lacks people knowing it actually exists.

Devs will not invest time and money in building and supporting non profitable apps on a phone OS with no users, and what you get is the crap appstore we have at the moment.

Will we even see the HTC 8X or the Samsung Ativ available on contract here? or will be be stuck with the Lumia or two buried in the corner of Voda or O2 and not available on any other carrier?

WP to date is an big huge bag of fail. It is definitely a passable OS, indeed quite innovative and pretty, but no mindshare, no users and no appstore of note mean unless something drastic happens it will continue to be a smartphone irrelevance, and probably be the end of the once great Nokia to boot.

ShadowHearth · 28-11-2012 06:54PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Windows Phone including 6.x and 7 has 2% Smartphone OS Marketshare after more than a year on the market. The app selection in the appstore is woeful, and the quality of the cross platform apps that actually make it as far as WP are noticeably poorer.

WP does not get any major shop presence or carrier buy in in any European country I have visited recently. The workers in the shops don't push it, the stores are full of droids, and large iPhone displays, and at best a couple of WP handsets. You don't see ads on TV or in the papers for WP and it's fair to say outside of the Tech cogniscenti it doesnt lack mindshare it lacks people knowing it actually exists.

Devs will not invest time and money in building and supporting non profitable apps on a phone OS with no users, and what you get is the crap appstore we have at the moment.

Will we even see the HTC 8X or the Samsung Ativ available on contract here? or will be be stuck with the Lumia or two buried in the corner of Voda or O2 and not available on any other carrier?

WP to date is an big huge bag of fail. It is definitely a passable OS, indeed quite innovative and pretty, but no mindshare, no users and no appstore of note mean unless something drastic happens it will continue to be a smartphone irrelevance, and probably be the end of the once great Nokia to boot.

if its such a fail, wtf you doing herE? :pac:

WP8 fixing a lot of stuff from WP7. lumia 920 already sold more then, they sold lumias last year. Rome was not built in one day. app store will expand.

like i said before, people should be happy to see a new player in the market as it will be more competition to push pricesdown and make products more advance. Even if you dont like wp8 and wont buy it it will still benefit you. i still dont understand how thick some fanboys can be. :rolleyes: If you dont want that phone, then just stick with what you like, easy.

pleasant Co. · 28-11-2012 07:02PM

Blah blah blah...Nokia lumia 920 :P

evolutionqy7 · 28-11-2012 07:04PM

Inquitus wrote: »

You don't see ads on TV or in the papers for WP and it's fair to say outside of the Tech cogniscenti it doesnt lack mindshare it lacks people knowing it actually exists.

Will we even see the HTC 8X or the Samsung Ativ available on contract here? or will be be stuck with the Lumia or two buried in the corner of Voda or O2 and not available on any other carrier?

WP to date is an big huge bag of fail. It is definitely a passable OS, indeed quite innovative and pretty, but no mindshare, no users and no appstore of note mean unless something drastic happens it will continue to be a smartphone irrelevance, and probably be the end of the once great Nokia to boot.

Might not see too many ads here, but as far as tech blogs cover it. Nokia has been pushing ads in the UK quite heavily, here the only ones who pushes the ads are the networks, they obviously push the champion and not the underdog.

Your clearly not up to date. 8X is already available on Meteor and Three while the 8S is also available on Three too. Ativ S is definetly coming out on O2 and as far as we seen it Lumia 920 will be coming to O2 and Vodafone.

Everything you mentioned there is last year stuff btw...WP7 market share since Nokia joining the OEM crown has boosted highly, old dinosours took on the 800, while in the US the 900 took a small little hop. Even if you look up some of the reports around Europe over several countries it gained around 10+% or so in marketshare, for something that has just turned 2 a month or so ago. As everything it needs time to be noticed and eventually with the help or Nokia it will grow.

App store isnt that doom as gloom as you desribe it, its doesnt have a huge variety of Irish apps, but mainstream ones are all there and are quite good. Some apps are even higher quality than those of Android anyway.
i.e. IMDB or Irish Times apps just two of the top of my head are far superior to ones found on Android in design, speed and usefulness.

I dont see Windows Phone to be a huge bag of fail. Its still there, its still gaining marketshare and not loosing it!

Inquitus · 28-11-2012 07:17PM

The Q3 Sales numbers were out in early Nov.

2% Smartphone OS Marketshare and 3.6m Handsets across Windows phone 6.x and 7 - http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/01/android-75-percent-marketshare-136-million-shipped/

Samsung sold many more oversized and niche Galaxy Note 2's in less than 2 months - http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-note-2-reaches-5-million-sales

So Nokia who don't have 100% marketshare in the Windows Phone space sold a portion, of the 3-4m Windows Phone devices in Q3 2012.

I don't mean to be all doom and gloom, but Nokia can't wait as long as it is going to take if ever for WP8 to take off, users and manufacturers aren't flocking towards it, it's almost dead in the water at this point.

I thought the Windows Surface RT tablets might sell well and help drive App Store growth which would have a knock on benefit for WP8, but by all accounts they are awful and selling very poorly.

I like WP8 but despite its many good points, and innovative, zippy look and feel, MS and Nokia are collectively making a huge mess of grabbing mindshare and market.

deco nate · 28-11-2012 08:55PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjF27nXTPw8

new video showing
Optical Image Stabilization.

just amazin stuff

Nokia Lumia 920

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