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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Grayditch wrote: »
    Imagine the amount of those little flags he'd be pelted with if he sold ANYONE to Liverpool.

    Had a dream he got Chelsea relegated, walked out into the center circle of Stamford Bridge, unbuttoned his shirt, al-la Superman, to reveal a red shirt, picked up Torres, like Lois Lane and flew back to Anfield.

    Then I woke up to Darren bent rumours. Stronger than coffee, they were.


    I'd nearly take Bent over Torres at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Here is the Times article below. On phone can't put in quotes box



    Brendan Rodgers has defended the way he uses Steven Gerrard, rejecting suggestions that the Liverpool captain is struggling to adapt to his manager’s playing style and insisting that his form will improve.

    Gerrard was uncharacteristically jaded in Liverpool’s goalless draw away to Swansea City on Sunday and has scored only one goal in the Barclays Premier League this season. Whereas in previous campaigns the 32-year-old has been deployed in an attacking midfield role for his club, he has appeared to operate in a more deep-lying position since the arrival of Rodgers.

    The Liverpool manager is hoping that the imminent return of Lucas Leiva after injury will give Gerrard the platform to get back to his best, but Rodgers maintained that the England captain’s talents are not being wasted by his present role in the team.

    “I don’t think there has been a clear change in his game in terms of what I have asked him to do,” Rodgers said. “I think what Steven has been over the years has always been the player who makes the difference and, OK, he may not have had the goals this season that he has wanted but he has still been effective. There has been nothing more or less I have asked in terms of defensive responsibilities. Of course, we want the midfield players to score goals and go and get into the box and gamble, and we have seen when Steven has done that he is fantastic.”

    Liverpool head into tonight’s game away to Tottenham Hotspur with their plans for the January transfer window already at an advanced stage.

    Talks to sign Thomas Ince, the Blackpool winger, are at an advanced stage and Rodgers is hopeful that the appointment of Rafael Benítez as Chelsea’s interim first-team manager will not jeopardise a move for Daniel Sturridge, the forward.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I'd be happier with Ince for 4 than Sturridge for 10-12.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 283 ✭✭RodgersLFC


    mike65 wrote: »
    I'd be happier with Ince for 4 than Sturridge for 10-12.

    Wouldnt be unhappy with the two of them, to be honest. Although we are lacking experienced players, and its not easy for a young player to come into a struggling team. We could definitely use a few more experienced heads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,261 ✭✭✭✭klose


    If we can get sturridge for an ok fee then so be it, rodgers went as high as 15 million for allen whom he saw as absolutely essential for the first team, i cantbsee him going near that for sturridge as hed be playing second fiddle for the most part. If he comes here hell pretty much be swapping once bench for another i think anyways.


    Ince has scored more then this zaha guy who alot are harping on about this season so might aswell go for him i guess..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Tom Ince has 10 goals in 15 appearances and Wilfried Zaha has 4 goals in 17 appearances this season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I'd nearly take Bent over Torres at this stage.

    You know, if you say that really fast, it comes across quite... "Enrique of late" shall we say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    The way I'm looking at Ince is that if we'd sent him out on loan and he was performing like he has been then we would be wetting ourselves about getting him back so if he can be got for under £5m it would probably make sense. Personally I haven't seen very much of him since his move to Blackpool so can't comment on his improvement since seeing him with the reserves and am purely going on others raving about him and his stats.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    Oscar Cardozo is 29 and his contract is finished at the end of the season , would like to see make an attempt to go after him . He has scored 9 goals in 12 games in the portugese league this season .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Some clever attention grabbing headline work by one of the tabloids tomorrow (saw a glimpse on Vincent Brown as I was leaving the room), in a story about Collymore being racially abused by an Irish fella, with the word RACIST almost touching a Liverpool jersey in the picture. I'm probably being silly, but still. Just a regular picture of Stan would have done, I'm sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    mike65 wrote: »
    I'd be happier with Ince for 4 than Sturridge for 10-12.

    I think I'd be happier with Ince for 4 than Sturridge for a packet of Winegums tbh.

    I know we're desperate but I just think he's awful.

    We've had enough of stupid footballers.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,872 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Grayditch wrote: »
    Some clever attention grabbing headline work by one of the tabloids tomorrow (saw a glimpse on Vincent Brown as I was leaving the room), in a story about Collymore being racially abused by an Irish fella, with the word RACIST almost touching a Liverpool jersey in the picture. I'm probably being silly, but still. Just a regular picture of Stan would have done, I'm sure.

    That's a stretch in fairness. Tinfoil hat off imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying their trying to to imply anything, but I think it's fair to say they employ some interesting tactics to get people's attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,900 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Oscar Cardozo is 29 and his contract is finished at the end of the season , would like to see make an attempt to go after him . He has scored 9 goals in 12 games in the portugese league this season .

    nah. not a bad player but getting older and a bit of an Andy Carroll, not a Rodgers player I think. Walcott on a reasonable wage and decent price is our best option I think. Maybe it wont happen but its worth a try and defo a better shout than Sturridge. Walcott works because he is a good wide forward and if Suarez is injured, give Walcott his go at CF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭jethro081


    opr wrote: »
    Spurs pre-match presser.


    Opr

    once again getting the distinct impression that rodgers is getting his apologies in early for a lack of investment. his little comments about needing to find other ways to challenge without the investment didn't inspire confidence..

    why build up the january transfer window for months if they are gonna come out this week and walk it back and tell us the club is broke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭Sappy404


    jethro081 wrote: »
    once again getting the distinct impression that rodgers is getting his apologies in early for a lack of investment. his little comments about needing to find other ways to challenge without the investment didn't inspire confidence..

    why build up the january transfer window for months if they are gonna come out this week and walk it back and tell us the club is broke.

    He's either tempering talk of a splurge in January so we don't get fleeced by the selling club, or he's suggesting there'll be loan signings. Probably a bit of both.

    And they've hardly been the ones building up the January window, have they? After a disappointing summer window, January was always going to be a talking point. All they've done is answer questions when asked, and were downplaying it for the most part from what I recall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Luckycharms_74


    Brendan Rodgers: Making Progress?

    http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/11/brendan-rodgers-making-progress/
    wrote:
    By Andrew Beasley (Twitter / Blog). Statistics were sourced from EPLIndex.

    Liverpool’s league results under new manager Brendan Rodgers have left quite a lot to be desired so far, with only three of the twelve matches resulting in Reds wins, and the team having amassed six points fewer than they did from the corresponding games last season.

    But has the team been progressing statistically at least? Rather than simply comparing the figures with the averages from last season, I have compared like-for-like with the matching fixtures to allow for a fairer analysis. After all, the average league finish last season of Liverpool’s opponents in this campaign is 9.1 against a full-season mean of 12; 24% more difficult than average, in other words.

    It’s also perhaps a little unfair to compare the same fixtures in some ways, as Dalglish took 1.75 points per game from these matches compared with 1.19 for the rest of the season, so he clearly over-achieved compared to the norm. But it’s realistically still the fairest comparison we can do.

    A quick note: where I refer to last season, I am talking about the corresponding fixtures and not the whole campaign, unless otherwise stated.

    Defending and Challenges

    The first thing to note is that Liverpool have given away a total of twenty more shots, with ten more on target, as well as eight more clear-cut chances than they did last season. This goes a long way to explaining why they have conceded sixteen goals as opposed to nine in the last campaign.

    What makes matters worse is that so much of the damage has been self-inflicted. Fixtures that saw just one error leading to a goal conceded by Liverpool last season have seen a whopping seven let in this time around, and the Reds have already made more Opta-recorded errors in 2012/13 than they made in the whole of last season.

    Of course, Pepe Reina plus three-quarters of the first choice back four are on their fourth manager in as many seasons, so with all the tactical changes that such upheaval inevitably brings it’s not much of a surprise that there have been a few gaffes along the way.

    More impressive is Liverpool’s improvement in the ‘challenges’ metrics: 24 more tackles, 55 additional ground duels and 32 extra aerial duels won than last time around. The latter is particularly surprising, in light of the fact that last season’s now departed director-of-football Damien Comolli supposedly put great faith in winning headers, and that Andy Carroll (who won an aerial duel more frequently than any other player in the Premier League in 2011/12) has been loaned out.

    Regarding tackles won, the teams that have finished in the top four since 2008 have averaged 15.4 per match, whilst Liverpool have gone from 14.7 last season to 16.7 in this, so that’s further encouragement that Rodgers appears to be on the right track, and once the errors are cut out then the clean sheet tally should hopefully rise.

    Possession and Passing

    In light of Brendan Rodgers’ much publicised view on how football should be played, it’s no surprise that improvements have been made in this area, albeit perhaps by not quite as much as you might think.

    For instance, possession has risen a mere 0.3% in total across the twelve fixtures, to 56.8% on average, and in half of the matches Liverpool have had less of the ball than they had in the equivalent match last term. The improvement in passing accuracy is more pronounced though, rising from 80.5% to 85%.

    As a result of this, Liverpool are losing possession far less regularly this season, at 21 times fewer per game on average. Whilst they gave the ball away 104 times more than their opponents in total last season, the Reds have only done so once more altogether this time around.

    As well as keeping the ball more themselves, Liverpool are also still regaining it as often as they were. Crucially though, the Reds are winning the ball back higher up the pitch on average, which suggests that Rodgers’ pressing tactics have begun to take shape nicely. Bear in mind that Rodgers has already improved the pressing of a side that won possession back in the final third on the joint-most occasions last season:
    PW-comparison.jpg
    The improvement in possession can also been seen in the interception stats, as the Reds have made eighteen more so far than they did last season. However, as they currently average 10.9 per game whilst the top four sides have averaged 17.7 since August 2008, there’s clearly still plenty of room for further improvement here.

    For the purposes of this article, I have created a Final Third Possession metric; in other words, what proportion of the match’s final third passes has a team had.

    The good news for Liverpool’s current manager is that the team has seen a small rise in this, from 57.9% last season to 58.4% this. Although the Reds have attempted slightly (4.75) fewer final third passes per match so far this campaign, the more important shift is from an accuracy of 69.2% to a very impressive 73.5%.

    To give that figure some context, the top four teams from the last two seasons in the Premier League have an average final third passing accuracy of 73.3%, and from twenty fewer attempted passes per game than Liverpool have mustered this season to boot.

    The Reds are passing in the attacking third of the pitch at a top four average, so credit to Brendan Rodgers for achieving that with a young side. But has this improvement been reflected in the creativity figures?

    Chance Creation and Through-Balls

    The figures for creating goal scoring opportunities present a mixed bag: twenty-nine more chances created in total, but nine fewer clear-cut chances amongst them. This means that the percentage of Liverpool’s chances that have been clear-cut has almost halved from last season to this, from 23.7% to 12.5%. The conversion rate has improved at least, but more on that later.

    Clearly this is an issue, and I think the ‘shot distance’ stats illustrate this perfectly. Although I can only obtain averages for the whole seasons, the Reds take 3% more shots from outside the area now than they did last term. I therefore assume this is why more chances have been created, but less clear-cut ones; Liverpool are shooting earlier than last season, but it means they have less chance of scoring as a result. Definitely something for Rodgers to work on.

    A good way to create opportunities and get behind teams is with accurate through-balls. Whilst the rate per game has dropped slightly on last season (from 1.21 to 1.00), the encouraging fact is that the trend is already moving upwards since the start of this campaign.

    After only completing one through ball pass across the whole of the first four games this season, the Reds have managed at least one in every game since, at an average of 1.38 per game. This suggests to me that as the players are getting more accustomed to both each other and the new system, this figure should continue to rise.

    Shooting, conversion and goals

    By some strange quirk of fate, Liverpool have scored the same number of goals (17) from the same number of shots on target (53) as last season. However, as total shots have increased by twelve, this means that shooting accuracy has dropped slightly (from 36.8% to 34%) and as Liverpool have given away more shots, their shot ratio (from 62% to 59%) and shots on target ratio (from 65% to 58%) have both decreased.

    One encouraging change can be seen in the ‘clear cut chance conversion’ rate, which has risen from 32% to 40%. Of course, the problem as I’ve mentioned is that they have had fewer such chances to convert. Had the Reds created the same amount of clear cut opportunities as last season, and kept their 40% conversion average from this season then they’d have scored four more goals.

    That might not sound like a lot, but when you’ve drawn half of your games so far, it could be worth up to extra eight points, which would put Liverpool joint-fourth in the league at the time of writing.

    Conclusion

    As you can probably tell from the above, it’s been a bit of a mixed bag so far:

    * Winning more challenges but making more errors.
    * Fewer passes attempted in the final third but with greater accuracy.
    * More chances in total but fewer clear-cut opportunities.
    * Fewer through balls but on an upward trend.
    * Better conversion of clear-cut chances but worse shooting accuracy in total.

    You’ll have to make your own mind up about which of the above statistics is the most important, and which numbers indicate the most regarding progress or regression, but personally I’m positive about the future of this team.

    To be having more of the final third possession, and passing at a top four level in that area of the pitch whilst also improving on the conversion of clear-cut chances are exactly the kind of improvements that Kopites wanted to see from last season’s Liverpool team. The number of errors should return to something like the norm, and hopefully as the team adjust more to the tactics and gel by playing together, they should maintain the through-ball trend and create more clear-cut chances.

    Or at least that’s the theory. It’s important to remember that some negative things (such as how open Liverpool often are when facing a counter attack, for instance) can’t easily be measured with statistics. But overall I’m satisfied with Rodgers’ progress after twelve league games, though there’s clearly still plenty of work to be done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Luckycharms_74


    The Sturridge/Ince article from the Telegraph

    Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers hopes move for Daniel Sturridge will not be affected by changes at Chelsea

    Liverpool are hopeful the managerial chaos at Chelsea will not impact on their efforts to sign Daniel Sturridge in January.

    Sturridge, currently injured and out of the Chelsea side, is Brendan Rodgers’ prime target and it is understood the England striker is anxious to move to Anfield.

    The appointment of Rafa Benítez could complicate matters if he intends to utilise Sturridge more than his predecessor Roberto Di Matteo, although with talks already having taken place at executive level it may be too late for the new manager to influence the decision.

    “You never know when new managers go into clubs, but we will see what happens over the course of the market for us,” said Rodgers.

    “Hopefully we can get a few in. Obviously Ian Ayre has been dealing with transfer stuff in the background and doing a great job along with the recruitment team.”

    Rodgers still hasn’t given up hope of signing Arsenal’s Theo Walcott in January, and he has also been extensively scouting Blackpool’s former Liverpool reserve Thomas Ince, who only left Anfield a year ago.
    Liverpool are entitled to a 35% cut of any transfer fee for Ince, which technically means they should be able to buy him cheaper than other interested Premier League clubs. However, Blackpool will raise the asking price where Liverpool are concerned in effort to get around £5 million.

    Liverpool head to Tottenham Hotspur on Wednesday protecting an eight match unbeaten run in the Premier League, but infuriatingly short of the victories required to thrust them into the top six.

    Rodgers has praised his captain Steven Gerrard, celebrating the 14th anniversary since his Liverpool debut, for the responsibility he has shown in assisting a younger, less experienced line-up.

    “Over the years Steven has always been the player who makes the difference,” said Rodgers.

    “He may not have had the goals this season that he has wanted but he still been effective. He has obviously had to take on more of a mantle because it is a much younger group. There is probably a bit more responsibility on him in relation to looking out more for the team because of its youthfulness of the team.

    “I just want him to be the player he is. The great thing is he wants to penetrate. Our game isn’t about possession, though it is about keeping the ball of course.

    “It’s about tempo and the speed of the game and the way he plays and passes and the tempo of his game is superb.”


    If we can get Ince for around £4m that wouldn't be too bad business (but I can see Karl Oyston trying to screw us on the deal ala Charlie Adam). I just don't rate Sturridge as high as his price tag could reflect. If its only a choice between him and Bent, the most we should spend on him is £8m. I'd prefer Wallc0ck over Bent/Sturridge,but my 1st choice would be Huntallar.
    I think Nuri Sahin suggested Bony the other day, I saw some highlights of Vitesse's game vs PSV last night and I see he scored again. He now has 15 goals in 14 games :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Tom Ince turns out to be a 'wonderkid' in Football Manager.
    And for anyone that's in the FM loop, you'll know that's always a good sign :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    It seems Ince still really likes the club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Interesting that the play in the final third isn't that different when you factor it all in. What we'd do for even a Maxi type player now.

    I'd say the drop in the interception rate is with Lucas out which is why I don't fear so much for him when he comes back, a big part of his game is reading the game.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,216 ✭✭✭✭Cartman78


    amiable wrote: »
    The Telegraph are reporting a 35% clause

    Wow...Liverpool in borderline canny & strategic transfer move shock.

    Haven't seen a lot of him since he left tbh but the couple of games/highlights i saw he looks to have improved a lot


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Cartman78 wrote: »
    Wow...Liverpool in borderline canny & strategic transfer move shock.

    Haven't seen a lot of him since he left tbh but the couple of games/highlights i saw he looks to have improved a lot

    Twitter so take what you want from it:
    It seems UTD are having a sniff now, so his dad might have a say in that.
    They are also reported to be interested in Taarabt, a player I wouldn't mind we signed.

    in other news:
    Disgraced former #LFC comms director Jen Chang has reportedly expressed an interesting in becoming director of football at Monaco. Bizarre.

    is Chang still employed by us ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ince is still a potentially risky signing. Look at Taarabt, he was Player of the Year for QPR in the Championship, at this level though, he doesn't look good enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Cartman78 wrote: »
    Wow...Liverpool in borderline canny & strategic transfer move shock.

    Haven't seen a lot of him since he left tbh but the couple of games/highlights i saw he looks to have improved a lot

    To be honest I'm still trying to find out how Liverpool got that 35% clause as he was out of contract when he left Liverpool so it seems strange.
    It may have something to do with Liverpool developing his talent and/or a tribunal setting that %


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    amiable wrote: »
    To be honest I'm still trying to find out how Liverpool got that 35% clause as he was out of contract when he left Liverpool so it seems strange.
    It may have something to do with Liverpool developing his talent and/or a tribunal setting that %

    Spanish model ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    Joseph Musker ‏@Musker_LFC

    Our team for tonight: Reina, Wisdom, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Allen, Henderson, Sterling, Suarez, Enrique. #LFC

    From Twitter. Not sure if reliable. Don't shoot messenger please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭gafferino


    Dont know anything about Tom Ince I must say. Why did we let him go at all? Is it not egg on our face that we are trying to resign him?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    From Twitter. Not sure if reliable. Don't shoot messenger please.

    If true probably the best team barring 5 at the back.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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