Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

amiable · 26-11-2012 12:15AM

cunnifferous wrote: »

By current management do you mean Rodgers or Kenny/Comolli? Or was he just never a target at all and all the rumours were just crap.

The rumour is he was a Kenny/Clarke target bit the agent kept using Liverpool's interest to flush out other big clubs.
As soon as Liverpool are interested fees and wages tend to rise

gafferino · 26-11-2012 12:16AM

amiable wrote: »

The rumour is he was a Kenny/Clarke target bit the agent kept using Liverpool's interest to flush out other big clubs.
As soon as Liverpool are interested fees and wages tend to rise

Looks like it worked .......Southampton.

cunnifferous · 26-11-2012 12:19AM

amiable wrote: »

The rumour is he was a Kenny/Clarke target bit the agent kept using Liverpool's interest to flush out other big clubs.
As soon as Liverpool are interested fees and wages tend to rise

Ha, why did his agent bother linking him to us then? Surely he could have gotten bigger wages if he linked him to someone in the champions league at least? Having said that his agent ended up shipping him to Southhampton so I guess that tells you all ye need to know.

YouTookMyName · 26-11-2012 12:23AM

Jesus Sterlings shot was wicked.

passremarkable · 26-11-2012 12:31AM

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Jesus Sterlings shot was wicked.

he hit it bang on..

MD1990 · 26-11-2012 12:31AM

its great to see Enrique back in great form
i think he will be pushed back to LB long term though as Downing was poor

passremarkable · 26-11-2012 12:34AM

MD1990 wrote: »

its great to see Enrique back in great form
i think he will be pushed back to LB long term though as Downing was poor

would agree, enrique will be pushed back shortly
downing is shockin,its worse hes gettin, he has lost all confidence, he will be gone in jan id say

klose · 26-11-2012 12:36AM

Watching motd there and enriques goal was fine, he was well onside. Thats 2 offsides that have cost us wins. I know thats football and all but tis annoying

amiable · 26-11-2012 12:38AM

Enrique lost possession 26 times today. He was adequate at best IMHO

amiable · 26-11-2012 12:40AM

cunnifferous wrote: »

Ha, why did his agent bother linking him to us then? Surely he could have gotten bigger wages if he linked him to someone in the champions league at least? Having said that his agent ended up shipping him to Southhampton so I guess that tells you all ye need to know.

Agents link players to Liverpool lately to flush out Champions league clubs or sometimes anyone to generate a move and the agent gets a payday

BorneTobyWilde · 26-11-2012 12:41AM

Still awaits our :eek::eek::eek: win

Maybe Wednesday,
Has to come soon

MD1990 · 26-11-2012 12:51AM

amiable wrote: »

Enrique lost possession 26 times today. He was adequate at best IMHO

u know who lost more balls in La Liga last season than anybody else
Messi http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3922/spain/2012/02/01/2880245/barcelona-star-lionel-messi-gives-the-ball-away-more-than
he is a LB playing LW in the the attacking third so he will lose some balls
since he came back from injury he has been excellent imo

Oscorp · 26-11-2012 12:54AM

I'd say Carra lost some amount of balls as a kid hoofing it over the neighbour's wall

amiable · 26-11-2012 01:02AM

MD1990 wrote: »

u know who lost more balls in La Liga last season than anybody else
Messi http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3922/spain/2012/02/01/2880245/barcelona-star-lionel-messi-gives-the-ball-away-more-than
he is a LB playing LW in the the attacking third so he will lose some balls
since he came back from injury he has been excellent imo

Once Enrique starts playing like Messi I will think losing the ball so often is ok

smileyj1987 · 26-11-2012 01:13AM

amiable wrote: »

Enrique lost possession 26 times today. He was adequate at best IMHO

I think he does it on purpose just so he can chase after the ball .

amiable · 26-11-2012 01:20AM

There's a very worrying story in The Independent tomorrow basedon Rodgers quotes

jesus_thats_gre · 26-11-2012 01:28AM

whippedcream wrote: »

Watching motd there and enriques goal was fine, he was well onside. Thats 2 offsides that have cost us wins. I know thats football and all but tis annoying

Eh, he was offside.

passremarkable · 26-11-2012 01:30AM

amiable wrote: »

There's a very worrying story in The Independent tomorrow basedon Rodgers quotes

go on

Washington Irving · 26-11-2012 01:30AM

amiable wrote: »

There's a very worrying story in The Independent tomorrow basedon Rodgers quotes

By 'tomorrow' do you mean 'today'? Is there anywhere we can see it now?

smileyj1987 · 26-11-2012 01:31AM

amiable wrote: »

There's a very worrying story in The Independent tomorrow basedon Rodgers quotes

Oh joy lets hope its case of twisted words or is it a damning interview maybe a few home truths might get some of the wasters in the squad to step up and do something .

daithijjj · 26-11-2012 01:33AM

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

By 'tomorrow' do you mean 'today'? Is there anywhere we can see it now?

Brendan Rodgers is desperate for a new striker in January, but has warned followers of Liverpool that any significant purchases may not happen when the transfer window reopens in little over a month.

The Merseysiders shaded a keenly-fought contest at Swansea City, but their inability to convert their chances into goals cost them maximum points at the Liberty Stadium.

With forward Luis Suarez shackled by Swansea centre-back pairing Chico Flores and Ashley Williams, the visitors did not manage to score. Yet Rodgers has sounded a note of caution to supporters by insisting patience in the transfer market will be required as he continues his rebuilding job at Anfield.

When asked if there would be significant spending in January, particularly on the wafer-thin attacking options, he said: "I'm not so sure it will be in January, to be honest. This year the club wanted to balance the books and see where it was at.

"There was a big investment in the club and a lot of players went out in the summer and a few came in.

"We will look to do some business in January to support the players here. The owners trust me to grow the club over time. As a manager you're always looking at the short term, but eventually we will get there."

Former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish lost his job following the club's last visit to south Wales in May – a 1-0 defeat to Rodgers' then well-oiled Swansea outfit. But there was a marked improvement in the visitors' play and performance on Rodgers' first return which he labelled as "emotional" since his summer departure.

Yet, as in large parts of the season to date, the same old problem exists for Rodgers' side with the vital final touch missing. He added: "You can see with each game that goes by that our work is improving. But we know our play in the final third has to improve. It's the work we have to do in the forthcoming months.

"Luis was bright and a threat in and around the box and we had 18 shots on goal with nine on target. We need to finish our chances to round off our good play. You can see that once we get the quality in the final third to support what we have then we have enough to keep moving forward.

"It's a team that is coming together. I can see improvement all the time. I was really pleased with the quality in our play."

This contest was high on technical ability from both teams, but lacked many clear-cut opportunities. After Raheem Sterling struck the crossbar, Liverpool felt aggrieved that Jose Enrique's 34th minute effort was ruled out for a marginal offside. Rodgers said: "We were unfortunate with the offside goal that was ruled out. I've seen the replay and I thought it was a goal."

The point maintains Swansea's recent good form of just one defeat in eight matches and manager Michael Laudrup was happy after his side nullified the threat of Suarez

Laudrup said: "I thought we deserved that point. Liverpool played well and maybe had a couple of good chances more than us in the first half but I am pleased with the performance of my side.

"Obviously when you play Liverpool there are going to be times when they have a lot of the ball but at no point did I feel that we were under constant pressure.

"With Steven Gerrard and especially Luis Suarez they have two players who can create something from nothing but I thought we handled them very well.

"Suarez did some good things but we expected that because he is a very good player.

"There was a lot of talk about Luis and Ashley Williams before but I thought we saw the best of both."

hefferboi · 26-11-2012 01:41AM

If we don't get a striker in January I'll be very mad.

jesus_thats_gre · 26-11-2012 01:46AM

hefferboi wrote: »

If we don't get a striker in January I'll be very mad.

If we don't get one, I will be disappointed.

If we don't get one and do not take Carroll back from loan, I will have a meltdown.

Tusky · 26-11-2012 01:56AM

I will lose a lot of faith in the owners if there is not at least one significant purchase in January. I understand they were burned by what happened with Comolli and Kenny - but they appointed both men, and need to share the blame for that money being wasted. The first team desperately needs investment and they would be poor owners if they didn't recognise this and open up the purse strings to make at least one key signing.

However, my inkling is that Rodgers quotes are just him being savvy, and there will be investment in January.

smileyj1987 · 26-11-2012 02:00AM

Tusky wrote: »

However, my inkling is that Rodgers quotes are just him being savvy, and there will be investment in January.

I hope your right because Brendan was appointed manager so they need to back him all the way or just sack him now because if they don't give him a penny for january this will be a very very long season . It will also send out a message to the players that they signed extensions and new contracts just so we can save money on the team . It might even push some of them to wanting out because I'm sure they where sold a project / vision but the players and fans need to see some actions by the owners that back this project .

daithijjj · 26-11-2012 02:19AM

Tusky wrote: »

I will lose a lot of faith in the owners if there is not at least one significant purchase in January. I understand they were burned by what happened with Comolli and Kenny - but they appointed both men, and need to share the blame for that money being wasted. The first team desperately needs investment and they would be poor owners if they didn't recognise this and open up the purse strings to make at least one key signing.

However, my inkling is that Rodgers quotes are just him being savvy, and there will be investment in January.

People really need to stop lapping up this propaganda that has no basis in fact. Sure, we can argue all day the merits of value and what players have produced but lets isolate it to business. It remains the case that overall, only paltry sums have been invested.

People will eventually wake up to FSG. It will just take some longer than others.

"They have invested heavily" is the biggest load of bollocks.

2 years in and 50m roughly invested net on xfer activity alone.

Now take 15m p/a off that in wages wiped off. Now factor in increase in turnover of about 30-40m. FFP is a comfy blanket to hide behind. We were putting more into the team 12 years ago, on about half the turnover, and had little debt. The 'baseball' in these owners is ripe and open in their philosophy but it simply doesnt add up in football.

"We can compete with any club for a player" -Tom Werner.

"We want to increase wages, not reduce them" -Tom Werner.

A mixture of naivety, lies and good old fashioned bullsh1t.

This quote the other day about Rodgers getting sympathetic words when he came in and apologies for the state of the squad is some of the most deluded nonsense i have ever heard. Who exactly is sympathetic?, the owners?, lads who didnt even know the club existed 2 and a half years ago?. Please. And they somehow now are apologising for the players they sanctioned deals for?.

These owners are going to get a swift sharp shock very very soon. Fans might not get the same, it will be a slow dull ache nagging away for some period until the club meanders towards fk all. Even as it stands today we are one player away from a relegation fight, Suarez.

Of course, people dont want to hear stuff like this, well thats too bad.

donfers · 26-11-2012 03:09AM

daithijjj wrote: »

People really need to stop lapping up this propaganda that has no basis in fact. Sure, we can argue all day the merits of value and what players have produced but lets isolate it to business. It remains the case that overall, only paltry sums have been invested.

People will eventually wake up to FSG. It will just take some longer than others.

"They have invested heavily" is the biggest load of bollocks.

2 years in and 50m roughly invested net on xfer activity alone.

Now take 15m p/a off that in wages wiped off. Now factor in increase in turnover of about 30-40m. FFP is a comfy blanket to hide behind. We were putting more into the team 12 years ago, on about half the turnover, and had little debt. The 'baseball' in these owners is ripe and open in their philosophy but it simply doesnt add up in football.

"We can compete with any club for a player" -Tom Werner.

"We want to increase wages, not reduce them" -Tom Werner.

A mixture of naivety, lies and good old fashioned bullsh1t.

This quote the other day about Rodgers getting sympathetic words when he came in and apologies for the state of the squad is some of the most deluded nonsense i have ever heard. Who exactly is sympathetic?, the owners?, lads who didnt even know the club existed 2 and a half years ago?. Please. And they somehow now are apologising for the players they sanctioned deals for?.

These owners are going to get a swift sharp shock very very soon. Fans might not get the same, it will be a slow dull ache nagging away for some period until the club meanders towards fk all. Even as it stands today we are one player away from a relegation fight, Suarez.

Of course, people dont want to hear stuff like this, well thats too bad.

agree with you, just because our signings were horrendously overpriced DOES NOT mean a lot of money was invested by the owners - the torres/babel/wages reduced money has been spent on junk but they haven't exactly wasted a lot of their own money

my main concern right now is my fear of a kind of negative alliance between fsg and rodgers

"heh guys i won't make a big fuss about not having any cash to spend if you guys continue to let me churn out average to poor results and let me use my work in progress/it takes time/we are building excuse indefinitely while other clubs surge further and further away from us"

it just seems we are starting to accept mediocrity at the club, some people are saying a point at swansea is a good result - ffs this is liverpool fc, we have much higher standards than that and i expect to see those standards reflected in the players we are competing for, the aspirations of the manager and the performances, at the moment i am not seeing that so much and the propoganda machine seems to be in full flow suggesting we accept second best for this mythical rebuilding process

of course those of us who question things will be called impatient, kneejerkers etc. but rodgers has the same points total after 13 games that hodgson did, he talks a good game but he needs more results, there is no appetite to sack a manager and it looks like the club isn't going to invest a lot, we are making the slow transition to a mid-table club and hardly anyone is taking any notice because of all the spoof and fluff and bluster, which to be fair, rodgers is a master of.....oh but we are building, we are playing youngsters, it's not an overnight solution, i have a long-term plan, develop, build blah blah blah, expect him to be saying the same thing over the next few years as achieve a succession of midtable finishes

something drastic needs to change fast as we are sleepwalking our way into obscurity and irrelevance, we should be clearly targetting CL football this year and be disappointed and self-critical if we don't achieve that....so yes we should be spending more cash but most importantly what needs to change is our level of ambition, stop downplayinng things and making excuses, this is Liverpool football club and where we are now is unacceptable, let's stop seeking to justify poor performances, poor results and poor signings, we are 10 points behind west brom and below swansea, last season we finished level with fulham - I am tired of it now but the most worrying thing for me is that those who are in control are trying to make us believe that this is all part of some grand plan, that all this is ok - it's not, more inspiration, leadership and ambition please - Carra said the other day we should be aiming for CL, more of that stuff please, less crap about building and earning a good point against Swansea, let's remember who we are!

darced · 26-11-2012 04:04AM

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~Rebel~ · 26-11-2012 04:12AM

darced wrote: »

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Thats too far the other direction.

My issue isn't with them, it's with perception.

No, they haven't invested hugely out of their own pocket, but to be honest I'm fine with that. I'm fine with the club standing on its own feet. They removed the crippling debt - that's enough for me. Wishing for someone to come in and pump money into the club without the club itself having a sound financial basis without that backer is just pointless.

We shouldn't celebrate their financial involvement, but neither should we lambast it imo. (I would also like if they were in front of the camera far less often though).

As for comparisons with Rodgers and Hodgson - Hodgson was the exception rather than the rule. Rodgers is the rule. Give the manager time unless he turns out to be the biggest fan-alianating douche possible. Hodgsons results were only a portion of the reason for his sacking. His purchases, attitude and backwards style of play were more important imo. There was clearly no future with him. With Rodgers, we still don't know. Deserves at least a full year anyway.

26-11-2012 09:30AM

Rodgers making noises about not much movement in Jan.

If a decent striker isn't brought in it's probably a 50 or so point season and Suarez could well be on the move in the summer and you couldn't blame him.

The owners need to wake up.

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