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McClean refuses to wear poppy

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  • #92
    BhoscaCapall
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    You can't help yourself.

    Given the Republic's cosying up to Nazi Germany under De Valera during WW2 you might want to have a wee re-think there
    Wait, what on earth does Ireland have to do with what I said?

    But I'm the one who can't help myself, right.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #93
    born2bwild
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    He's happy enough to take the British coin though and enjoy a big platform in the EPL.

    It's also interesting how he makes these 'statements' yet never goes public to articulate his position properly - unless you count childishly mocking people on Twatter.

    I think McClean is probably a bit of a wally (I don't think I'd have much in common with him) - but even a broken clock is right twice a day and he's right not to wear the poppy.

    Irish men working in British jobs because there are no proper jobs at home is hardly a new thing, is it?

    Irish men would have proper jobs here if we had a better supported/promoted/celebrated league at home.

    BTW - Enda Stevens wore the poppy today


  • #94
    niallo27
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Are you really trying to draw a parallel between quietly choosing not to remember an army who murdered people in your hometown, with being employed in England? By your logic anybody who works in the UK, of any nationality, are hypocrites should they choose not to commemorate the British Army. Catch yourself on, you're sounding ridiculous.


    Admittedly I haven't followed everything he's said, but from what I've heard he has said nothing different to what I've heard anybody else from Derry, or indeed any Irish nationalist say. Are they all attention seeking too? Are you seriously going to sit there and dismiss anyone with a dissenting opinion to the British mainstream media as attention seeking? Newsflash kid, not everyone supports illegal wars and bloody invasions

    Have a read of his previous comments he made, there is nothing there to do with derry or nationalism, I'm not taking about any comments like that, these are the first comments i have read from him about anything to do with derry so i dont know why you feel the need to constantly refer to it.


  • #95
    Mr_Spaceman
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    dooferoaks wrote: »
    The pressure may not be there for people in the street (not convinced either way on that one) but there is most definitely pressure in the public eye, and its expected everyone wears one. Why else would there be a researcher or whatever ready to pounce and give people about to appear on TV one. And if you are saying that being handed a shirt with a poppy embroidered onto it like McClean was, is not pressure then define it for me.

    Argentine players don't seem to have a problem with it.

    I'd have a grain of time for McClean if he made a statement outlining his opposition. He doesn't because he isn't clever enough to be perfectly honest. Twatter is his level of hit and run engagement.

    That said, I don't think people should be forced to wear the poppy whether it's to do with football or anything else. But to remember the fallen - of various backgrounds, Irish included - for a couple of minutes isn't much to ask.


  • #96
    Mr_Spaceman
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Wait, what on earth does Ireland have to do with what I said?

    But I'm the one who can't help myself, right.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    You're making some snide cheap link between Rangers FC and supporting fascism.

    I'm merely pointing out the obvious in response if that's the road you want to go down.


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  • #97
    born2bwild
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    Argentine players don't seem to have a problem with it.

    I'd have a grain of time for McClean if he made a statement outlining his opposition. He doesn't because he isn't clever enough to be perfectly honest. Twatter is his level of hit and run engagement.

    That said, I don't think people should be forced to wear the poppy whether it's to do with football or anything else. But to remember the fallen - of various backgrounds, Irish included - for a couple of minutes isn't much to ask.
    Yeah - I agree with this - but I don't think it's as simple as 'remembering the fallen' - especially for someone from Derry.


  • #98
    super_furry
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    Shouldn't supporting a charity be a personal thing? I find it bizarre the way this poppy fascism has taken root in Britain.


  • #99
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

    I'd have a grain of time for McClean if he made a statement outlining his opposition.

    .

    No you wouldn't as you would then complain that McClean was bringing politics into football :pac::pac:


  • #100
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    You can't help yourself.

    Given the Republic's cosying up to Nazi Germany under De Valera during WW2 you might want to have a wee re-think there.

    There was no cosying up to Nazi Germany under de Valera during WW2.


  • #101
    BhoscaCapall
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    You're making some snide cheap link between Rangers FC and supporting fascism.

    I'm merely pointing out the obvious in response if that's the road you want to go down.
    Sorry but mentioning Ireland's history is not the "obvious response" to raising a point about Rangers. The two are not linked at all. It just looks like you are desperate to link the two, while trying to project that desperation on others with comments like "you just can't help yourself".
    super_furry wrote: »
    Shouldn't supporting a charity be a personal thing? I find it bizarre the way this poppy fascism has taken root in Britain.
    It wouldn't be so bizarre if you lived in Britain and recognised the obvious and concerted effort in the British media to drum up support for the British Army's 'endeavours'. It started 4 or 5 years ago when morale and national support was at an all time low.

    Unsurprisingly, the main outlets were ITV programs like X-Factor, The Sun and other tabloid trash papers, football grounds etc

    None of these people give the slightest toss about opposing fascism at any other time of the year, but it is the only acceptable face on this pro-Army propaganda campaign.

    "Keep politics out of football" they say. Unless it's pro-British.


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  • #102
    5starpool
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    Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up.


  • #103
    Mr_Spaceman
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    BhoscaCapall wrote: »
    Sorry but mentioning Ireland's history is not the "obvious response" to raising a point about Rangers. The two are not linked at all. It just looks like you are desperate to link the two, while trying to project that desperation on others with comments like "you just can't help yourself".

    Well when we're debating on an Irish forum I beg to differ.

    Anyway we've made our points quite clear.


  • #104
    markesmith
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    Mr_Spaceman wrote: »
    Given the Republic's cosying up to Nazi Germany under De Valera during WW2 you might want to have a wee re-think there.

    The reasons for that are too complicated to get into. Suffice to say, sometimes your enemy's enemy is your friend, and that was the position in the minds of many back then.

    I reckon fair play to McClean - he's an individual and he has the right to choose not to wear the poppy.

    It's absurd and slightly sinister that people are forced to wear the poppy on-camera. We are each to our own.

    The fact that he plays in the English league, lives in England and gets Sterling into his bank account has nothing to do with it.

    I'd say George Orwell would have a few choice words to say about this.


  • #105
    fionnsda
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    10 years ago no football team wore poppys, now they all do and you get vilified if you dare to refuse, whats changed?


  • #106
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    fionnsda wrote: »
    10 years ago no football team wore poppys, now they all do and you get vilified if you dare to refuse, whats changed?

    PR men, probably earning a nice little bundle.


  • #107
    BhoscaCapall
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    fionnsda wrote: »
    10 years ago no football team wore poppys, now they all do and you get vilified if you dare to refuse, whats changed?
    See post #101


  • #108
    Mr_Spaceman
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    fionnsda wrote: »
    10 years ago no football team wore poppys, now they all do and you get vilified if you dare to refuse, whats changed?

    That's probably a question for the Premier League.


  • #109
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    fionnsda wrote: »
    10 years ago no football team wore poppys, now they all do and you get vilified if you dare to refuse, whats changed?

    Mainly Iraq but latterly Afganistan - but hey there is no politics in football :pac:


  • #110
    born2bwild
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    5starpool wrote: »
    Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up.

    POTM?

    EDIT:


  • #111
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Mainly Iraq but latterly Afganistan - but hey there is no politics in football :pac:

    I don't even think it is that, I just think the Royal British Legion have hired some very savvy PR leeches that know what buttons to press, along the same lines as help for heroes etc. There was an Iraq war before the last one, and even during the jingoistic heights after the Falklands there was no poppy fascism like there is now.


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  • #112
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    born2bwild wrote: »
    POTM?

    Am I the only one to see this and think this?


  • #113
    mike65
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The only issue I'd have with wearing one is the expectation to. It's amazing watching British TV this time of year to see the uniformity of opinion on the topic, everyone agrees with wearing one.

    Paul Morley (music journo type) didn't wear one last night on BBC 2, so its not enforced.


  • #114
    Dozen Wicked Words
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Paul Morley (music journo type) didn't wear one last night on BBC 2, so its not enforced.

    I don't think its enforced but its a very good bet that someone in production crew offered him one to wear.


  • #115
    BhoscaCapall
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Paul Morley (music journo type) didn't wear one last night on BBC 2, so its not enforced.
    I don't think he means enforced in legislation, so much as most people are basically intimidated into wearing one.

    A music journo isn't likely to face the same backlash as a footballer, because it's a different world. Jingoism is rife in football, and that basically is all the poppy stuff is about these days.


  • #116
    mike65
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    You makes your choices....


  • #117
    born2bwild
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Am I the only one to see this and think this?

    Don't know - but I like that link - you could make a fap calendar out of it.


  • #118
    kitakyushu
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    Was McClean the only player today? Did anyone spot any others? (haven't seen any pix/video today so genuine question)


  • #119
    Gamb!t
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    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    I will say that I share the sentiments of annoyance over the expectation that people should uniformly wear it as a mark of respect. After all, one doesn't need to wear the flower to show respect to the war dead. You can clearly see organisations like BBC and ITV are extremely keen on guests wearing them because they don't want some crank at home to make a complaint about not seeing one on a presenter or interviewee (always been baffled that there are people like this out there)

    I don't wear the poppy (not even sure if they sell them over here?) but I DO take the time to remember the dead of the two world wars and don't need to prove myself by wearing something.

    Having said all that though, these poppies are actually sewn on the shirts themselves so it seems to me rather an extreme move to actually make it clear you do not wish to wear one. It's a rather strong statement and a quite confrontational stance. I just hope he's thought this one through and had a word with O'Neill before he made this call.
    My thoughts exactly.
    Maybe he should have worn it for the consideration his team mates and the club that pays his wages.


  • #120
    Rhys Essien
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    Its a pity that UEFA didnt step in and tell the Brits not to mix politics with sport,especially having emblems plastered on the jersey.

    Imagine the outcry from the British press if the Bundesliga teams wanted to wear the Iron Cross to honour the German forces.Especially if it was Man Utd v Bayern Munich.They would probably call for the match to be called off.

    Imagine if the FAI told the National team players to wear the Easter Lilly.The question is,would all of them wear it.??


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  • #121
    Rhys Essien
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    kitakyushu wrote: »
    Was McClean the only player today? Did anyone spot any others? (haven't seen any pix/video today so genuine question)

    Not sure but someone said John O'Shea didnt wear it either.


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