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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)
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Peregrinus wrote: »Don't be silly, pauldla. Everyone knows, deep down, what everyone knows deep down!
Oh. I didn't know that.
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Satan is fireproof ... but he inhabits a fiery realm ... and himself and his demons materialise as smoky sulphur smelling entities.
In that case, you're after the wrong guy. I have succumbed to temptation many times in my life but never by anything that smelled of sulphur.
The real culprit is at large while you are subjecting an innocent angel to an unacceptable level of harassment.
But anyway, the fiery lake is currently vacant isn't it? Don't we have to wait for judgement day to find out who burns and who does not?
And doesn't Satan walk the earth rather than inhabit a fiery realm sporting horns and brandishing a pitchfork?
I'm glad to see that you are not taking this seriously. For a while there I thought you believed the nonsense you were posting. You're kind of like an undercover atheist aren't you?
Well, although you may mean well, it is unfair of you to attack religion from within by deliberately misrepresenting it. In fact, it is as much an evil thing to do as you can get.
What if they are right? How many souls will you divert from the Lord by misleading them?
If they are right then at least a scientist can explain to God why he had no faith. An atheist will be able point out lots of evidence to show that God is a man-made concept designed to manipulate the masses and God would have to accept that that point of view is valid but you, you represent a real danger to yourself if you try to reduce God's soul-harvest by leading gullible people down a path to a false religion, or a cult.
Be careful J C, you can't accept and reject God.
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In order for creationism to work, there must be a God. An overseer of the Universe, which is quite a big place to be omnipotent over...
There are currently 7 billion people on this planet and we, as a species, are only capable of surviving in a tiny bubble. We need oxygen, water, warmth and food. Take us out of that comfort zone and we die. An entire Universe and we can only survive on less than a 1/4 of the Earths surface area and less than a mile over it. Seems like an awful waste of space, just for one species, created by an omnipotent being.
Yet there are many millions of other organisms that survive in places here on Earth that we could never go, are still unable to go. Then take the air, the water, the rocks under our feet, into consideration. They have existed for millions of years, in a closed loop system. Like a glass ant farm. We are all tied together. We drink the same water today as the first beasts that waked the Earth. What we expel, others need to survive and vice versa. What is poison to us, others thrive in. Take away the poisonous component and the whole system falls apart. Complex doesn't even start to explain it.
And this is just one planet.
Ever since records have been kept, there have been Gods. People have prayed to lightening storms, to the waves of the sea. They have prayed to cows, to crocodiles, to cats, to faeries in the trees. Through all of this the human mind has expanded, learned and questioned. We no longer fear lightening, we understand it. We can predict it. We avoid it. We comprehend the origins of waves and that animals are not deities.
On this one planet, how many Gods have there been documented? Currently there are approximately 21 major world religions. Each with believers claiming that theirs is the one true religion. But go back in time, how many thousands more could be added to that list? Unfortunately historians can track where religions came from through war and conflict. Which isn't a good argument for a peaceful and loving God.
In fact Christianity, in all its current formats, comes from an extremely bloody past. People killing each other, by their millions, all for the peace and salvation of man in Gods name.
What it comes down to is the fact that people need to believe in something. And religion fills that gap. In order for creationism to work, there needs to be a God. But we as a species can't make up our mind as to who or what God is. Interestingly we as a species don't need a God to function. We just need oxygen, water, warmth and food.
People often see religion as a cause worth dying for, unfortunately, in this world, there are new causes around every corner.
Creationism needs a God. Evolution however just needs time and space.
They say that a broken clock is correct twice a day and its true. And all it takes is a single cell to do something new once every million years for Evolution to work. Just like a clock, eventually life gets it right. Even if it is only for a second. Now have a billion, billion, billion, billion, billion cells getting one thing right every million years and you have the makings of life as we know it. It just takes time and somewhere for it to happen.
And unfortunately the proof is all around us, sorry, should I say in us. Our cells reproduce themselves continously to keep our bodies ticking over. Then one day, almost without warning, one messes up. Gets corrupted. And thats cancer. A single change to a closed system and the whole thing collapses. Well at least from our perspective, because as I said earlier something else will benefit from our component parts.
Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, in fact it thrives on not having them. Religion however tells us that its all beyond us, its someone else's idea. An omnipotent being brought it all into being and will eventually tally us all up and bring it all to a close. A nice simple explanation for everything. But nothing in life, on this planet, or in this Universe is simple. Under every rock there is a new infinitely complex story. Even typing these words into a screen, that can be read by strangers anywhere in the world almost moments later - hell give me a satellite dish and enough time and people on other planets will be able to read them - is infinitely complex. From our mutual understanding of letters, to words, to my brain making my fingers type, to the molecules within those fingers, to the keyboard and so on so forth. Even thinking about it, really thinking about it, makes the brain hurt.
To me Creationism is about taking the easy way out. If God exists, then its his/her/its fault and we can all head down the pub and let the angels sort it all out. While Evolution is about taking the time to think about what we are, where we come from, how we came into being and so on and so forth all the way back to the origins of the Universe - another closed system by the way. But its also about looking inward, beyond the cells, beyond the neutrons and electrons, right down to the topics of M theory and beyond.
In my humble opinion the human race hasn't reached 7 billion, landed on the moon, created planes, satellites, TV and heart surgery, by hiding from the thunder Gods. We keep asking questions, we keep pushing beyond our capabilities, we keep adapting. We Evolve. We don't wait for an omnipotent being to tell us what to do, or how to live our lives. Not that we can make up our minds as to which omnipotent being to be listening to in the first place!
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On that note, the Church and the Bible itself has evolved over the years. It has changed so much as to be unrecognisable from its own origins. What was a sin a couple of hundred years ago is now normal life. The church as adapted and evolved to suit how we live.
Quoting a paragraph from a book that was put together a few hundred years ago, when a collection of men got together and picked out a number of texts from thousands of knows manuscripts, from various canon, none of which completely agree with one another, or have an accurate time line...well it just seems odd...
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