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The 'No Fair' thread'

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  • #32
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,698 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Road12 wrote: »
    David Walsh - A complete and utter wankpot

    Abuse not welcome.

    Moderator


  • #33
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    Im absolutely appalled at the behaviour of some posters in this thread, maybe Im naive, but in the last few months since I joined boards Iv certainly got an insight into the minds of trainspotters, and to think when I go to Downpatrick in 3weeks time I could be surrounded by some of these people, I hope alcohol is not allowed in on the day, I'II be keeping a strict eye on the escape routes, just in case, what am I letting myself in for, worse than a soccer match, normal people with normal jobs, but turn into hooligans at the sight of trains or soccer on the internet, scary stuff, more peace at sea than on land, I know, trust me.


  • #34
    cbl593h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭cbl593h


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Road12viewpost.gif
    David Walsh - A complete and utter wankpot

    If you are going to slander the tea boy/ lever puller (soon to be without any levers !) please try get his monicker right.....:rolleyes:


  • #35
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    Road12 wrote: »
    Indeed! Now who am I??
    To be quite honest, I don't give a toss who you are, this thread or board ain't about you, this thread is about Irish Traction Group.


  • #36
    Iolaire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭Iolaire


    Despite only joining this forum in September, I think it is time to leave as it is not the type of place which I had envisaged and is ruined by a minority.

    I have a genuine interest in railway preservation and trying to encourage others to become involved. As an active volunteer of the ITG, I had hoped that in providing a news source for the ITG in a strictly unofficial capacity, it may have been appreciated, especially in the light of the many untruths I have read here.

    The main protagonist has essentially acheived their aim of ruining this thread. They have also managed to have me accused of being that same person by a former mod of this forum. I would like to think that the fact I have a reasonable command of English grammar, spelling and punctuation, that it would have made it obvious that I am not that person. I also believe that I have exhibited a more than genuine passion for railway preservation and the ITG unlike the protagonist.

    I look forward to the re-run of the diesel gala at Downpatrick on 18th November and will perhaps, see some of you there. Remember the ITG is on twitter @The_ITG and on facebook www.facebook.com/IrishTractionGroup. If you want genuine information, that is where you will find it. Unfortunately, the ITG account on the forum has been banned which will please some.

    Given the ITG is a charity and its work is undertaken by volunteers (for the avoidance of ambiguity, this means we receive no pay for giving up our free time) I find it unfathomable why some people think we warrant the abuse such as is posted here. Sadly this abuse is not restricted to the ITG and I have seen similar remarks relating to the various preservation groups across the island, both here and on other forums. All I can say is that it is a great pity that these people are unable to expend their time and energy on anything constructive.

    I wish I could say it's been a pleasure.


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  • #37
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    shamwari

    Is it just me or is it the same faction fighting going on here which blighted IRN? Come to think of it, is / are the same individual(s) involved too?

    Yes. Mind you, that site's moderators are of questionable parentage and are no loss to humanity. (Could'nt resist getting a sly jab in at them as they 'progress looking forward, hehehe)


  • #38
    shamwari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭shamwari


    dermo88 wrote: »
    shamwari

    Is it just me or is it the same faction fighting going on here which blighted IRN? Come to think of it, is / are the same individual(s) involved too?

    Yes. Mind you, that site's moderators are of questionable parentage and are no loss to humanity. (Could'nt resist getting a sly jab in at them as they 'progress looking forward, hehehe)

    I forgot you got turfed off there too. Still, time heals...


  • #39
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    It does shamwari. Did you get an extradition warrant as well? And please, may I ask - not be so patronising to say 'time heals'. If that site is ever to do a 'Lazarus' job, these bans need to be revoked and old members allowed back. There needs to be an amnesty. I sincerely believe there are many here who would be happy to help that happen.

    I got on pretty well with Aidan Brosnan who was also a founder member of Platform11 which became railusers.ie back in 2002 when the first closure threats were made against Limerick Jctn-Rosslare and Limerick-Ballybrophy which galvanised people into action. So theres a history behind it.

    As regards the bitching and sniping here of late, there has been a welcome surge of members on boards.ie. But with that, comes a small troublemaking element, which I recall dealing with between May and September 2007 on another site. What I do know about these troublemakers is that they are not particularly intelligent, a little bit 'eccentric' and have a bit too much time on their hands after getting their redundancy check, are bitter and want to take it out on us as a group here.

    Lets just sit back and watch them make fools of themselves. Road12, Railway Worker and possibly one other (edited to remove innocent name) are the tip of the iceberg. It should take 4 months, so I hope Victor can hang in there. It would be a grave pity if we saw a return to the excessive moderation seen here for a 2 year period ending in February 2012....meanwhile I hope I have'nt pissed off Victor by explaining or hinting at the carry-on.

    Meanwhile, we'll probably see more words and phrases get banned for being sensitive, as the railway Taliban start throwing their toys from the pram. Just remember, the Devil makes work for idle hands, so for the term 'wankpot' to be used (made me laugh a bit), is .....shall I say, rather....ironic. A bit more acceptance, a thicker skin would go a long way with some of the enthusiasts. If the names of people and a type of sandwich are sensitive words, I have advice.

    Live and let live. I can be just as guilty of being sarcastic, provocative, rude and obnoxious from time to time. I'm trying to tone it down though. But when I see a troll or a double poster....I have to learn to keep my mouth shut and just report it directly to the moderator, rather than confront it directly. Which is a hard habit for me. I'm no angel and I'm the first to admit my faults.

    It would be nice to get to the bottom of the intrigue, the subterfuge and find out who is causing it. But again, I'm a bit more pragmatic than before. It won't make a difference to my daily life beyond curing curiosity. It won't solve problems, and make people feel better. It would be more of an exercise in pointless gossip.

    Whoever is behind this has an aim. I believe it is a malicious aim at provoking a litigious comment, at which point they will then attack boards.ie itself. This was their modus operandi with IRN in May-September 2007, and its their aim again. Its only a matter of when this happens with this character.

    Consequently we are in 'Heads they win, tails we lose', a double jeopardy if ever there was one. And I don't want a ban, because its damn inconvenient to go searching for old posts in a forum I can't see. So.....I'll try my best to zip it.


  • #40
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    I am so happy not to be involved in any railway group of any description. I do moan a bit about failings of Irish rail but only because those failings are so numerous and often quite unnecessary.

    As for the wannabe train drivers and wannabe fat controllers and restoration nuts etc whether in the north or scattered around the republic, there is no point arguing over something as small as Irish railways and its heritage, just get along and get on with what needs to be done and if you disagree with those in charge of your little group then just put yourself forward as leader at the next AGM.


  • #41
    davidlacey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭davidlacey


    very very disapointed by the behaviour of certain members on this forum, we all should be trying to make this as informative place, but its a place where certain people have to get personal and fight amongst one another, primary school stuff. god help victor the moderator having to be the "teacher" controlling a rowdy punch of keyboard ninjas


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  • #42
    DannyGrey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭DannyGrey


    I dont see why my name was brought up in this thread


  • #43
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Oh please just consign this thread to Davy Jones Locker or somehow put it out of its misery.


  • #44
    DannyGrey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭DannyGrey


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    Oh please just consign this thread to Davy Jones Locker or somehow put it out of its misery.


    Yes i agree with gobnaitolunacy just remove the thread or lock it .

    I am getting some blame here as being some person else other than myself , well i am Danny Grey like i always said i live in Wicklow .

    KEEP MY NAME OUT OF FURTHER DISCUSSIONS PLEASE

    THANK YOU


  • #45
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    I did say 'possibly' - notice the use of the conditional tense, so my apologies. I have edited out your name accordingly DG.

    1. There are 'buttons' which cause a bit of rile. Phrases such as Chicken Dinner, Tarquin, Nigel etc, are regarded as sarcastic terms of abuse. My view is that it is used as a 'weapon' to remove a poster people disagree with by reporting to a moderator(s).
    2. By contrast, the rural-urban divide. Two items which cause controversy are the infamous Western Rail Corridor and a proposal for a railway to Donegal. You could debate these in a pub and have a great time with like minded euthusiasts where banter will fly, but on the Internet, its a different ball game. Then of course, the urban rail advocates, such as myself. I see a role for InterCity but regional lines are struggling badly, and my inner paranoid conspiracy theorist believes that these were designed to fail from Day one.
    3. Its nice to see some CIE employees come here and explain the problems they are under. Understanding is a great way to get towards an accomodation. Many of us will never see eye to eye. There are loyalties, and also, with the dire economic climate, fears for the future.
    4. Its got informative, but theres a hell of a lot of theoretical know it alls. I was one of the worst for that.
    5. Preservation groups are fragmented. For a country of <4 Million people, the largest are the RPSI. There is also the ITG, and that struggles to an extent because maintaining a Diesel is a more technically intense field of expertise. Steam causes more interest, but the volunteer base with time, money and expertise to spare is very small, and there are petty fiefdoms at work somewhere which I don't know much about, nor wish to.
    6. Someone wants to provoke litigation. Don't know who, but we're dancing around the poles waiting for someone to fire that silly legal letter. Something again, which I have a grave contempt for. They might want an easy 10K settlement.
    7. The classroom analogy is apt. We had a moderator here before who was hard as nails (Chris). There is one other moderator who could be drafted to support Victor, and hes pretty anti-rail. We don't want him around to control the classroom.


    Regards


  • #46
    CaptainFreedom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭CaptainFreedom


    Have run out of fcuks to give, I really have. Glad I sleep soundly at night


  • #47
    shamwari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭shamwari


    dermo88 wrote: »
    It does shamwari. Did you get an extradition warrant as well? And please, may I ask - not be so patronising to say 'time heals'. If that site is ever to do a 'Lazarus' job, these bans need to be revoked and old members allowed back. There needs to be an amnesty. I sincerely believe there are many here who would be happy to help that happen.
    Alas Dermo I never applied to join IRN. By all accounts it's locked down now,but even when open, had decent folk and trouble makers with the latter deterring me from applying to join. I did enjoy reading it and for example, their coverage of the Malahide Viaduct reinstatement was unmatched. No other site I know of covered it to their extent with daily photo's and commentary throughout. In fact, I'd say that's probably one of the definitive accounts of that work.

    Moving forward, I mean, people were banned over there, came here, and suffered the same fate again. If the problems moves with that person from IRN to here, does that not vindicate the actions of the mods on IRN in banning that person? Equally, being banned in both locations means any hope of an amnesty is somewhat forelorn, especially when you have described the people you expect that amnesty to issue from as being of "questionable parentage and are no loss to humanity" Methinks you're chance of an amnesty are not great at all....and that's not their fault either.


  • #48
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Goodness knows Dermot; IRN is a site you abhor so much yet you lament it as if it was your first born.


  • #49
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    Goodness knows Dermot; IRN is a site you abhor so much yet you lament it as if it was your first born.
    Ah like the parent of a mass murderer visiting their offspring in the joy each and every week?


  • #50
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    I feel quite hurt at being left out of the troublemakers 'hall of fame' ! I banned myself out of both RUI and IRN - still have the relevant emails filed - I was tempted to post them here but probably wise to keep my powder dry. :D


  • #51
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I feel quite hurt at being left out of the troublemakers 'hall of fame' ! I banned myself out of both RUI and IRN - :D
    At least JD, you got to ban yourself, I couldnd even become a member, applyed many months ago to join IRN but without success, you become a member then ban yourself, now feeling hurt, Iv no sympathy, you'll have to find another shoulder to cry on.


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  • #52
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,270 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I feel quite hurt at being left out of the troublemakers 'hall of fame' ! I banned myself out of both RUI and IRN - still have the relevant emails filed - I was tempted to post them here but probably wise to keep my powder dry. :D

    A watched kettle never boils :)


  • #53
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Sligo Quay wrote: »
    At least JD, you got to ban yourself, I couldnd even become a member, applyed many months ago to join IRN but without success, you become a member then ban yourself, now feeling hurt, Iv no sympathy, you'll have to find another shoulder to cry on.
    I tried to join also but you must need a referrer before they let you in at all?


  • #54
    Sligo Quay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Sligo Quay


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    I tried to join also but you must need a referrer before they let you in at all?
    A referrer? whats that surpose to mean, mystery solved, maybe a word with Victor, a referrer alas Victor might do the trick. Maybe thats the way to go.
    Referred by JD, may not work:D


  • #55
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    I tried to join also but you must need a referrer before they let you in at all?

    Like the Masons now!
    Honestly, you're not missing much. IRN has been Tumbleweed Central for a long while.


  • #56
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭SeanW


    shamwari wrote: »
    Moving forward, I mean, people were banned over there, came here, and suffered the same fate again. If the problems moves with that person from IRN to here, does that not vindicate the actions of the mods on IRN in banning that person?
    No, a lot of P11/RUI people (myself included) were banned from IRNs old MSN board for ... any reason they could think of, no matter how trivial. Leaving just a few anonymous headbanger cranks.

    It's ok go into their public board and look at the pictures from time to time, but that's it really. If the whole thing sunk to the bottom of the Irish sea, I most likely wouldn't notice for some time or even care.

    I also agree with the above poster who lamented the work the mods here have to do: keeping that nonsense in the ITG thread at bay must have been a serious PITA.

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  • #57
    The Idyl Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    I imagine why there were bannings were for threads like these:

    http://irishrailwaynews.multiply.com/journal/item/2553?&show_interstitial=1&u=%2Fjournal%2Fitem


  • #58
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    The Idyl Race

    I imagine why there were bannings were for threads like these:

    I can give some background to this.

    That thread is from 2005. Between 2001-2007, it was fairly liberal in terms of posting and moderation style. The problem occurred after various external events took place, which ran the risk of the whole Irish railway community and its various areas of interest being brought into disrepute. I need to be slightly vague regarding these in order to protect the community here at boards.ie also (Thanks Victor for the heads up). Lets just say those who know.....are aware.

    A slanderous remark was made against a high ranking member of Platform11/Railusers Ireland, stating he was using Platform11/RUI as a method of promoting private business. Legal action was threatened. The moderators, naturally got scared. I mean, for the first time ever, legal action was threatened. The first time in a full 6 years of posting, as far as I am aware.

    So after that a purge took place of those who had... shall I say 'dual citizenship' of Irishrailwaynews and Platform11. I was almost the last one of those to be purged, and I was not involved in any of the legal nonsense, or backstabbing. Certainly I could be sarcastic, and made plenty of snide comments. In fact what got me banned was using the word 'twat' to refer to the Minister of Transport Northern Ireland. Which was

    "regarded as an unacceptable word in a family forum"

    And I KNEW that they were just waiting for a chance to pounce and ban. It was never a matter of 'if' for me, it was a matter of 'when', no matter how much I skirted and skated on the edge of political incorrectness, and I kind of relish continuing to do so.....

    I just wanted to post, and give a point of view. So, you can see why I am rather annoyed at them, because I posted on both sites, and that was clearly intolerable. Notice the sentence/remark "Go back to that shower at Platform11". Such was the bitterness at the withdrawal of support of Platform11 in favour of the Western Rail Corridor.

    It was more than me, it was my friends also. And that was wrong. Time you knew, but I'm sure shamwari and others will come along and blame me, rather than the moderators. After all, 50 and more banned members for minor infractions versus biased moderator(s) cannot be right.

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    Support branchlines.
    Support the west.
    Screw Dublin.
    The pale is an aberration which must be tamed.
    Be anti road at all costs.
    Reopen every branchline at no cost.

    And that post from 2005 proves my point.

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  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    dermo88 wrote: »
    And that post from 2005 proves my point.

    You predicted the future anyway... the mention of an 80s-style depression putting the Interconnector on the long finger. :D


  • #60
    dermo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭dermo88


    Karsini

    I did'nt, not quite. Thats giving too much credit. I asked a rhetorical question (27.04.2005), which asked:

    The Interconnector tunnel has been proposed since I was in nappies. It was in Voerhees plan of 1975. Do we have to have another 80's style depression to see it put on the long finger for lack of cash.

    As for The Idyl Race I gave some background to what happened. Bannings were quite rare before May 2007, but there were three individuals who caused it by slander, abuse of position, not paying bills which put the entire reputation of the community at risk and libellious comments. Don't go blaming the messenger. So by September 2007 a much stricter moderation policy was imposed, one which was random, banned and kicked out without question, in a non transparent manner. Do you now see why I question their legitimacy?

    Finally, I'll comment on Ivatt

    Keeping on-topic, work has been done on Dundalk - Monaghan and the findings have been very positive.

    There are also other possibilities for the region, including a cross-border link.

    That's really all that can be said here at this point.

    Thats the 'Independent Transport Consultant' Brian Guckian, the man who said in 2002 at the foundation of Railusers Ireland:

    "We must stop the Interconnector if we are to save the Western Rail Corridor and the Foynes branch"

    Not that it matters much on some internet forum, but is'nt that a little bit crazy.....


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  • #61
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    I'm going to post here because I've a feeling I'm going to get a ban for questioning the golden pass brigade.

    I call out IE incompetence when I encounter it but I can't stand idly by and watch golden pass holders make vicious allegations against public transport staff. Don't mind so much when folk who don't have free travel offer constructive criticism.


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