Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

HazDanz · 26-10-2012 10:23AM

G1032 wrote: »

Not all Santos fault though. Podolski didn't exactly help out, especially against Schalke. ( I didn't see the Norwich game)
Santos was poor, thats a given, but a lot of the time there was not much he could do. The defensive attitude from the team as a whole needs to change.

keano_afc wrote: »

I agree with this. In fairness to Santos, yes he was poor, put he was given absolutely no protection from Podolski and then Gervinho in front of him. If you look at Schalke attacking down that side it was nearly always 2 v 1.

That's a fair point to make. I still think it doesn't excuse his Norwich performance which was also muck. It was mainly because of his inability to understand when it's worth taking a chance going forward and when he should stay back. I think he really messes up the shape of the back four, it never feels as a unit to me when he plays as positionally you never know what he is going to do.

MaxPower89 · 26-10-2012 12:57PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=40C34nwnfk4

Some nice strikes from Aaron in the clip, especially the one with his left foot. Haven't seen him take a decent strike in ages now...

farna_boy · 26-10-2012 02:56PM

HazDanz wrote: »

That's a fair point to make. I still think it doesn't excuse his Norwich performance which was also muck. It was mainly because of his inability to understand when it's worth taking a chance going forward and when he should stay back. I think he really messes up the shape of the back four, it never feels as a unit to me when he plays as positionally you never know what he is going to do.

I said it in the CL match thread, but I noticed in the Schalke match and in the Norwich match, that he never seems to push on anymore. It looks like he has been warned to not take people on, which is probably his best asset. There were a few occasions when it was pretty much a one on one and instead of pushing forward, he passed the ball backwards. It's a pity if I am right, because he would probably be someone who could put in a decent cross if he was given the chance.

I also noticed (once) in both games when Vermalen went forward, Santos seemed to come in towards the centre and tried to break up the play so we wouldn't get caught because Vermalen was missing. In both occasions, the play was then put out to Santos' wing so it looked like that he was at fault and was missing, where as in reality he was trying to cover for Vermalen.

tayto lover · 26-10-2012 03:16PM

farna_boy wrote: »

I said it in the CL match thread, but I noticed in the Schalke match and in the Norwich match, that he never seems to push on anymore. It looks like he has been warned to not take people on, which is probably his best asset. There were a few occasions when it was pretty much a one on one and instead of pushing forward, he passed the ball backwards. It's a pity if I am right, because he would probably be someone who could put in a decent cross if he was given the chance.

I also noticed (once) in both games when Vermalen went forward, Santos seemed to come in towards the centre and tried to break up the play so we wouldn't get caught because Vermalen was missing. In both occasions, the play was then put out to Santos' wing so it looked like that he was at fault and was missing, where as in reality he was trying to cover for Vermalen.

You could have 10 Vermailens going forward but if we can't put in decent crosses then we aren't going to score. We need a lot of time training to do this -- crosses, corners and free-kicks.

SDTimeout · 27-10-2012 10:50AM

I think Jack is going to start today.

amiable · 27-10-2012 10:59AM

SDTimeout wrote: »

I think Jack is going to start today.

I'd disagree with with you but out of interest why do you think that?

Frisbee · 27-10-2012 11:01AM

I really hope he doesn't start today because we need a result. Not worth it if he gets injured again.

SDTimeout · 27-10-2012 11:07AM

I just have a feeling, a really good feeling.

I don't think there is a chance of him not being ready at this stage. He's played enough minutes for the 21's to show that he is over his injury.

edit - just looking through my twitter feed, a lot of people this morning hearing that he wasn't going to start. Then 11 minutes ago John Cross, the most reputable Arsenal journo ( imo ) tweets this.

John Cross ‏@johncrossmirror

Hearing Jack Wilshere gonna start for #afc

greendom · 27-10-2012 11:11AM

Frisbee wrote: »

I really hope he doesn't start today because we need a result. Not worth it if he gets injured again.

yes 15 minutes today and then start him against Reading. Hopefully he'll then be in good shape to start against Man Utd.

Today is the day for all the under-performers recently to prove that they do deserve to wear the Arsenal shirt

tayto lover · 27-10-2012 12:06PM

I can see Jack and Sagna coming on today if we're winning by 2 or more. The team have to start their response now and stand up and be counted. The lack of leadership worried me though. We have no physical presence in the middle without Diaby so teams are bullying us. Good start needed today.

emergingstar · 27-10-2012 12:55PM

Jack is starting, he is back can't wait to see him don the jersey again

HazDanz · 27-10-2012 01:00PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I can see Jack and Sagna coming on today if we're winning by 2 or more. The team have to start their response now and stand up and be counted. The lack of leadership worried me though. We have no physical presence in the middle without Diaby so teams are bullying us. Good start needed today.

If it's true Wilshere is starting at least we'll have the heart back in the team.

Anything other than 3 points today is not acceptable.

tayto lover · 27-10-2012 01:00PM

Anyone know if the game is on t.v. please?

emergingstar · 27-10-2012 01:04PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Anyone know if the game is on t.v. please?

Setanta I think

Quazzie · 27-10-2012 01:05PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Anyone know if the game is on t.v. please?

Tis on Setanta.

emergingstar · 27-10-2012 01:08PM

Sanga starts too

HazDanz · 27-10-2012 01:11PM

Oh man looking forward to this now.

27-10-2012 01:11PM

Wilshire and Sagna both starting?! Amazing.

Big weak link with Santos though I think, and Ramsey has a lot to prove today. Apart from Gibbs, who are we missing from the first XI?

Marty McFly · 27-10-2012 01:21PM

If anyone would be good enough to pm me a link to the match come kick off time it would be much appreciated

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tayto lover · 27-10-2012 01:25PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

If anyone would be good enough to pm me a link to the match come kick off time it would be much appreciated .

Me too please.

UnknownSpecies · 27-10-2012 01:27PM

Gervihno benched, Giroud starts, good stuff.

efb · 27-10-2012 01:31PM

sorted cheers

tayto lover · 27-10-2012 01:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wilshire and Sagna both starting?! Amazing.

Big weak link with Santos though I think, and Ramsey has a lot to prove today. Apart from Gibbs, who are we missing from the first XI?

Sagna should hopefully put in some decent crosses which have been badly missing since his injury. Nobody on the other side putting anything dangerous in though.

27-10-2012 01:35PM

You realise we're setting Santos up to score a brace

HazDanz · 27-10-2012 01:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Sagna should hopefully put in some decent crosses which have been badly missing since his injury. Nobody on the other side putting anything dangerous in though.

We might see Giroud getting a cross worthy of a header.

tayto lover · 27-10-2012 01:41PM

Jack starts his first senior game since May 2011. Nearly 18 months. Hope he shows no ill effects. That's a very long time.

Good luck today Jack.

Mickeroo · 27-10-2012 01:55PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Me too please.

+1 please

Hank Scorpio · 27-10-2012 01:59PM

Brilliant to see Wilshere back

27-10-2012 02:00PM

I won't lie, felt a little lump in my throat seeing Jack line up

*gulp*

27-10-2012 02:00PM

Absolutely buzzing for this. LETS GO JACK!

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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