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Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    Link of death threats here



    I see the article has the old "world record for a fourth tier match as well" :D Not even a record in Britain, never mind the world.

    So if all these claims are nonsense then Green is a liar as well.
    Oh dear it is a record in Britain not that I give a stuff but this third division team is bringing more fans to home games than anyone else in Scotland
    You will find the record books exclude play offs it is only league games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    I do like the twists and turns on this thread, reminds me of the good old days of Celtic paranoia:D

    Keep up the good work lads:P

    Oh and mine is definately not bigger than yours!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    I admire Thompson and have done so long before he started getting stuck into this story but in all honesty that report was a joke. Trying to accuse a large section of the rangers support based on the actions of a few extreme lunatics. Surprised Ch 4 ran with it tbh, maybe Thompson has a lot of editorial power though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Suspicious packages, mail,... all gets treated the same.
    Good laugh though, 'airbrushing Rangers recent past' from someone who is desperately attempting to make Thomson's ridiculous claims credible.

    As for an article ?

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/scottishnews/4602627/Beware-of-bomb-in-post.html



    Amid fears, did you see that little piece of text too ?
    So they thought he may receive death threats, there is nothing to suggest he actually did receive them.

    Abuse =/= death threats.
    And yes, he did receive plenty of the first.

    Peppa: Tell me then, what other UK team has that record for a fourth tier game ?

    Why havent Strathclyde police corrected him on procedures then? No doubt there were Rangers fans ringing the cops about the correct procedure, surely it would have been 'exposed' by now.

    A simple google will bring up quotes from Charles Green stating in his own words that he received death threats so why do you persist with this airbrushing exercise?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    I admire Thompson and have done so long before he started getting stuck into this story but in all honesty that report was a joke. Trying to accuse a large section of the rangers support based on the actions of a few extreme lunatics. Surprised Ch 4 ran with it tbh, maybe Thompson has a lot of editorial power though.

    In the conclusion, Thompson said that majority of Rangers supporters should be more vocal in ostracising this minority. Where did he accuse the majority of Rangers supporters of being involved in this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Why havent Strathclyde police corrected him on procedures then? No doubt there were Rangers fans ringing the cops about the correct procedure, surely it would have been 'exposed' by now.
    A simple google will bring up quotes from Charles Green stating in his own words that he received death threats so why do you persist with this airbrushing exercise?
    Probably because they know he's a lunatic who think Strathclyde police are corrupt, and basically not worthy of attention ?

    And I did post the link, he was informed of the chance there may be death threats.

    Btw, what a brave, brave performance by Killie against Savco.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Probably because they know he's a lunatic who think Strathclyde police are corrupt, and basically not worthy of attention ?

    And I did post the link, he was informed of the chance there may be death threats.

    Btw, what a brave, brave performance by Killie against Savco.

    No, he said he got death threats

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1197865/rangers-chief-charles-green-apologises-for-revealing-death-threats?cc=5739
    In an interview in Monday's Scottish Sun, Green told how he was forced to change his address from week to week and was "physically intimidated on the streets of Glasgow''.
    "I got death threats. There were lots of threats," he said in the original interview. "I have had visits from Strathclyde Police who were treating the threats seriously. They explained how the staff should look for strange packages and how I should make checks myself, including my car.''


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Dempsey wrote: »
    In the conclusion, Thompson said that majority of Rangers supporters should be more vocal in ostracising this minority. Where did he accuse the majority of Rangers supporters of being involved in this?

    I never said he accused the majority did i? He gave the impression that the threats etc had the backing of substantial numbers of rangers fans. Agree with his conclusion though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Probably because they know he's a lunatic who think Strathclyde police are corrupt, and basically not worthy of attention ?

    And I did post the link, he was informed of the chance there may be death threats.

    Btw, what a brave, brave performance by Killie against Savco.
    Savco?/:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    I never said he accused the majority did i? He gave the impression that the threats etc had the backing of substantial numbers of rangers fans. Agree with his conclusion though.

    I dont think he did, he just highlighted the extremes of this minority, the methods they were using, the targeting of families of the victims, the cost to the taxpayer they were causing and he kept it in the context that a minority were causing this trouble.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I dont think he did, he just highlighted the extremes of this minority, the methods they were using, the targeting of families of the victims, the cost to the taxpayer they were causing and he kept it in the context that a minority were causing this trouble.

    Maybe, thats how you saw it but i think it gives a false picture for someone tuning in who's not au fait with the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Jelle1880 wrote: »


    Green never said he received death threats, that was the police.
    Why would the Police say that to him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭blahfckingblah


    Madam wrote: »

    Oh and mine is definately not bigger than yours!!!!!
    tax bill?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Well another away day today

    Clyde v Rangers 12.45 kick off

    Hopefully today is the day the team gets this monkey off its back and performs well enough to get a good win. Still to soon for Templeton to be back but I imagine Little will start probably up front with Jig or should that be hopefully up front with Jig


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,011 ✭✭✭Soups123


    Without an away win yet bookies have Clyde at 10/1 for the win and 9/2 for the draw, clearly they see its the monkey off the back today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Its almost a statistical certainty, given the gulf in resources, that Rangers will eventually win an away game, bookie prices will reflect that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Team.
    Alexander; Hegarty, Perry, Cribari, Wallace; Black, Hutton, Macleod; Little, McCulloch, Shiels.

    Let's get this win today and kick on for the rest of the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Shiels, 0-1 :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Jig 2-0 but big improvement needed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    I still don't get why the Police would warn Charlie Green about death threats, unless there were some made.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    They said the chance was there, they are obliged to inform whoever is supposedly targeted whether they have received threats or simply think they will.

    As for the game, **** performance once again, absolutely no creativity in this team...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Death threats from rangers fans???????

    Charlie was on Talksport this morning telling how he started a new club as he was unable to preserve the old one.
    Rangers fans have pledged £21,000,000 :) well done bears.
    Telling how you're going to win the CL
    He's a Yorkshire man, I never knew that.
    Confirms that rangers have never been a member of the SPL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    From today's (Glasgow) Herald

    Green delivers little but soundbites but expects fans to deliver £20m

    Green delivers little but soundbites but expects fans to deliver £20m

    MAYBE Charles Green is right and there really has been what amounts to a stampede of Rangers supporters rushing towards him with their wallets open, desperate to buy into the share flotation the club is about to launch.

    Certainly, the figures claimed by the chief executive so far have beggared belief. Around 8000 potential investors have declared their interest, he's said. Somewhere between £15m and £17m will be invested if they all cough up what they've said they will.

    If all that dough really does flood into Ibrox, Green will be in demand for lectures to Harvard Business School. Surely there would never have been a newcomer who milked so much money out of a set of supporters while giving so little of himself away.

    "I don't care what people think about Charles Green or what the media think about Charles Green, because it's all based on ignorance and not knowing me," he said in an interview only last week. Well, exactly. Neither Rangers fans nor most of the rest of us can claim to know Green yet. Nor can those thousands of supposed investors possibly be sure of what they're putting their money into.

    Anecdotal evidence suggests an ongoing and entirely sensible caution towards Green, which doesn't quite square with the impression of unbridled enthusiasm presented by the man himself. There's a difference between buying a season ticket, as 36,000 have done for the guarantee of watching their team, and plunging a required minimum of £500 into shares.

    Only six months ago no-one had heard of Green. For the last three of those he's assiduously pushed all the right buttons to get the majority of Rangers supporters onside. Even those who are reluctant or unwilling to get involved in the share issue tend to like him, but they're wary, and understandably so. Many would be far more comfortable about buying into Green in a year or so. If ever there was a set of fans who have been burned, manipulated, deceived and exploited, it's the Rangers support.

    Green has often boasted that the club he runs is debt-free and that has always sounded crass towards those who helped oldco Rangers and lost hundreds, thousands or millions as a result of it. Among them, remember, were the 6050 Rangers supporters who paid between £1000 and £1650 for Club Deck debentures back in 1991 and saw their investment turn to ashes a few months ago. A lot of them, comfortable but not necessarily rich individuals, are exactly the sort of people Green will have to rely on in this share issue. It's hard to believe there will be a queue of financial investors for a club with no prospect of making serious money any time soon.

    Rangers have been here before. They launched rights issues in 2000 and 2004 and a particularly poor response for the latter was attributed to widespread dissatisfaction with how Murray was running the club (yes, even then). Not even nine-in-a-row, Laudrup, Gascoigne and a mountain of trophies counted for a great deal when Murray went out with the begging bowl eight years ago.

    The ironic thing is that you can bet your life Green and his consortium demanded far more information and answers before they took control than they have made available to potential investors so far. When a prospectus is published some answers surely will be provided. Until then, there has been nowhere near the level of transparency any investor is entitled to expect.

    Fans are being encouraged to buy into a company for which no accounts have ever been published. The identity of all of the company's shareholders has never been revealed: apparently all of them will be listed in the prospectus, but then again they were supposedly going to be identified once the takeover was complete. There has been far too little time for anyone to make any judgment on how well, or otherwise, the company is being run.

    What is the business plan? What, exactly, will any money raised now be used for, given that none of it will go on transfers? If it's for working capital, why is that necessary in the infancy of a new company's ownership? Fans are being asked to cough up £20m for a minority holding in a company which was bought in its entirety for just over a quarter of that five months ago.

    Hearts don't have any answers beyond going to their fans, either. Like Rangers, they will go out with a begging bowl just before Christmas. Rangers' minimum investment is £500, Hearts' £110, the latter effectively coming with an ultimatum that if the money doesn't come in owner Vladimir Romanov cannot be held responsible for what might happen next.

    The subtext of this is that two of the very biggest Scottish clubs cannot generate enough money on their own without going to the fans for it, fans who already commit via season tickets, the purchase of merchandise and even satellite television subscriptions. The well should be empty, yet the nagging worry of what might happen to their clubs if they don't invest could result in a decent take-up of shares at both clubs.

    But it cannot be stressed enough: if Green brings home anything like £15m barely five minutes after first walking into Ibrox, and without delivering anything beyond soundbites so far, supporters will have taken an astonishing leap of faith.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/8204811/Charles-Green-rules-out-Rangers-returning-to-Scottish-Premier-League-under-his-rule
    "The chief executive of the SFA, Stewart Regan, has said there will have to be some restructuring in Scottish football.

    "It's no secret the SPL have been working on a plan and I understand the Football League have got their vision for change in Scottish football. It has to change because it's in a mess.

    "It's really difficult for me to take seriously the SPL re-structure. They threw us out of the league and are now pursuing title stripping, and for us to sit down and think that after all that has come to fruition that I will say 'OK, everything's forgotten', you're in cloud cuckoo land. I don't forgive and forget.

    "While I'm chief executive, Rangers will not play in the Scottish Premier League.

    "If that situation arose, I would go out to the fans, as we did earlier in the year. But my position wouldn't have changed. If they wanted to go back into the SPL, then fine. But I won't be chief executive."

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/8209151/Rangers-chief-Green-SPL-stole-our-money
    "I said recently, I'm not going to leave until we see Champions League music played at Ibrox and I'm sticking by Ally McCoist until we get to that position."

    How is he going to get Rangers UCL ball without playing in the SPL? Who would be stupid enough to give him money now! I think its Charles Green who is living in 'cloud cuckoo land'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/8204811/Charles-Green-rules-out-Rangers-returning-to-Scottish-Premier-League-under-his-rule


    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11788/8209151/Rangers-chief-Green-SPL-stole-our-money



    How is he going to get Rangers UCL ball without playing in the SPL? Who would be stupid enough to give him money now! I think its Charles Green who is living in 'cloud cuckoo land'.

    I will answer this once. You post about reconstruction first I think that may answer your question. He is talking about the SPL as it stands


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    I will answer this once. You post about reconstruction first I think that may answer your question. He is talking about the SPL as it stands

    He's talking about even if its reconstructed
    "It's really difficult for me to take seriously the SPL re-structure. They threw us out of the league and are now pursuing title stripping, and for us to sit down and think that after all that has come to fruition that I will say 'OK, everything's forgotten', you're in cloud cuckoo land.I don't forgive and forget.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    He's talking about even if its reconstructed

    No I don't believe it is that is just hot air He knows that to get back playing at the top we have to be in the top league. The fans might back him at first with his stance. But they would soon turn as he doesn't own us then he would soon be out of a job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Green wrote:
    "I said recently, I'm not going to leave until we see Champions League music played at Ibrox "
    Can he not just show Celtic v Barcelona on the big screens?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    Can he not just show Celtic v Barcelona on the big screens?

    That really the best you can do :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Hot air from Charlie lol, never. I'm surprised he's not had anymore warnings of death threats after saying that he had to start a new club and that his rangers have never played in the SPL.


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