Is it time for Pat to go?

Beasty · 25-10-2012 08:15PM

drogdub wrote: »

Pete do you think you will pay for the new stuff next year. I think I will.

What's this "new stuff" you refer to?

How much is it, where do you get it, and how much faster does it make you go?

drogdub · 25-10-2012 08:21PM

Beasty wrote: »

What's this "new stuff" you refer to?

How much is it, where do you get it, and how much faster does it make you go?

Depends on who you are, depends on who you know and depends on how "healthy" you are.

There going full time and will have broadcasts from the Grand Tours and Spring Classics

Lusk Doyle · 25-10-2012 08:29PM

I was half expecting an "I'm going into a tunnel. Dead phone line." when he was being pushed on mcquaid to go. Seemed like he was saying that he and others should go but then seemed to row back when pressed further.

corny · 25-10-2012 11:54PM

Dutch federation appeals to UCI for truth commission

"The key question for us, the KNWU, is to what extent we really can legitimately say that - in the year 2012 - there now no longer exists or can be spoken of a culture that tolerates, seduces or even encourages systematic doping. We are not reassured. On the contrary, we are very worried.

"Rabobank resigning their sponsorship, and in particular the reason why they stopped, is painful and significant. We can not sufficiently answer the question whether or not the doping culture has become widely accepted in professional cycling in the recent years."

witty username · 26-10-2012 07:34AM

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/1026/1224325733389.html

Shane Stokes in the Irish times on CI and PMQ

Junior · 26-10-2012 09:43AM

Has the AGM been cancelled or is it just the Road Commission AGM ?

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Home/News/Road-Commission-AGM-Notice-2012.aspx

buffalo · 26-10-2012 09:48AM

Junior wrote: »

Has the AGM been cancelled or is it just the Road Commission AGM ?

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Home/News/Road-Commission-AGM-Notice-2012.aspx

RC AGM was supposed to be on this weekend afaik. CI AGM is next weekend.

Junior · 26-10-2012 10:14AM

*phew*

niceonetom · 26-10-2012 10:35AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkrdqJHQHxs

Raam · 26-10-2012 02:59PM

Having read USADA’s report we see nothing in it that would lead us to call for P. McQuaid's
resignation at this point and recommend that he instigates a thorough review as noted above

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Documents/CI_Statement_USADA_Case.aspx

Raam · 26-10-2012 03:01PM

You can respond here: https://twitter.com/IreCyclingFed/status/261828727162413056

Trojan · 26-10-2012 03:02PM

Raam wrote: »

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Documents/CI_Statement_USADA_Case.aspx

New poll: Is it time for Cycling Ireland leadership to resign?

Flandria · 26-10-2012 03:03PM

Very disappointing - a badly missed opportunity to promote real change.

Lusk Doyle · 26-10-2012 03:04PM

Raam wrote: »

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/Documents/CI_Statement_USADA_Case.aspx

How is it that the position of the board does not reflect that of the membership?

Trojan · 26-10-2012 03:05PM

Raam wrote: »

You can respond here: https://twitter.com/IreCyclingFed/status/261828727162413056

I have done so. https://twitter.com/AMcDermott/status/261830651341312000

buffalo · 26-10-2012 03:07PM

What the what?! I expected better. morana, can you pass on my outrage and astonishment? I've already asked my club delegate to do the same at the AGM, and hopefully the good doctor McGrane will be successful in getting an EGM called.

morana · 26-10-2012 03:08PM

buffalo wrote: »

What the what?! I expected better. morana, can you pass on my outrage and astonishment? I've already asked my club delegate to do the same at the AGM, and hopefully the good doctor McGrane will be successful in getting an EGM called.

I will no problem!

Lusk Doyle · 26-10-2012 03:13PM

morana wrote: »

I will no problem!

Maybe we should all write letters or emails of our disgust at it???

Flandria · 26-10-2012 03:16PM

This is very disappointing. The debates here have, not surprisingly, attracted a lot of attention and interest with a number of people tweeting and blogging encouragement. This statement will, unfortunately, look like yet another example of Irish cronyism and looking after our own and in the current environment that is a huge let down. Perhaps we could get the Germans to do it...:mad:

morana · 26-10-2012 03:19PM

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Maybe we should all write letters or emails of our disgust at it???

email me anto dot moran at gmail dot com

pls be to the point I dont want to trawl thru really long emails

put CI statement on PMcQ in the subject

Junior · 26-10-2012 03:28PM

I don't think it's as disappointing and disgusting as some people are making out, they are the Irish Federation and they were hardly going to go throwing around anything wild, they've also just outlined their position with regards McQuaid. If the motion at the AGM goes ahead and it is passed or agreed upon then and only then will they may have to back down from the statement, however as with all things like this an internet forum doesn't necessarily represent the rest of the public (read clubs) and the motion may get defeated.

It may seem a little omerta style, but maybe the Federation could have just waited till after the AGM to put out a statement and used the AGM as a "we have spoken with our delegates and the feeling is..."

buffalo · 26-10-2012 03:31PM

Junior wrote: »

It may seem a little omerta style, but maybe the Federation could have just waited till after the AGM to put out a statement and used the AGM as a "we have spoken with our delegates and the feeling is..."

This is what I would've expected. Perhaps many at the top are cosy with McQuaid, I don't know. I know I'm a relative blow-in, but the whole thing makes me ashamed to be Irish, and part of CI.

Casati · 26-10-2012 03:32PM

morana wrote: »

email me anto dot moran at gmail dot com

pls be to the point I dont want to trawl thru really long emails

put CI statement on PMcQ in the subject

Lads, in fairness nobody should be surprised about this statement from CI, CI have been very consistent, apart from filling up Anto's inbox I can't see any mails sent changing the boards mind

I see Conor has acknowledged that no motion will be allowed at the AGM, so clubs forcing an EGM will be the only way to progress further.

buffalo · 26-10-2012 03:33PM

Casati wrote: »

Lads, in fairness nobody should be surprised about this statement from CI, CI have been very consistent, apart from filling up Anto's inbox I can't see any mails sent changing the boards mind

I know, I know. We're all just Freds online.

wav1 · 26-10-2012 03:36PM

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

How is it that the position of the board does not reflect that of the membership?

How can anybody say what the position of the membership is?Plenty of opinions posted here but I've a feeling that the general feeling at the AGM would be somewhat different.Im sure morana will passs these feelings on to the meeting on the day,but really no more he can do.

Junior · 26-10-2012 03:38PM

Actually how many here are members of CI ?

el tel · 26-10-2012 03:39PM

CI membership jumped by 8000 to 14000 between 2009-2012. With such serendipitous growth perhaps the CI board don't give two ****s about what some members might think about their apparent apathy for the resignation of Pat McQuaid?

Beasty · 26-10-2012 03:47PM

So we have 8 people voting for McQuaid (some of those probably his family, based on certain posts made in this and other threads), nearly 300 have voted against (and based on my knowledge of those who have posted in this thread a significant proportion of those are likely to be CI members), and the Board of CI have the gall to put out a statement like that. It is pretty clear to me that associates of McQuaid are probably pulling some strings behind the scenes here. They are in a clear minority and are hell-bent on stifling debate on the whole debacle

Let's now turn to the idea of an EGM. I call here for the Board of CI to have some balls and call an EGM for the membership to have their say. It's simple democracy. If the vote goes in favour of McQuaid it's end story so far as I am concerned - what is important is that there is a full and proper debate on the topic, and the membership must be given the opportunity to contribute to the discussion.

The Board will no doubt turn round and state that the members can call an EGM. However they know this presents practical difficulties, as 10% of the voting membership, which is the clubs rather than individual members, have to request one. The issue here is that means each club supporting the call would need to go through it's own process to agree - that could even involve local EGMs to discuss it with their own members. If CI do not call an EGM, then I will be calling on my club to do this, and I will be encouraging others to do the same, but by their very nature some clubs do not wish to be seen to be getting involved in anything that can be called "political".

So the solution is simple - the Board of CI must call an EGM to discuss this situation

ROK ON · 26-10-2012 03:50PM

Junior wrote: »

I don't think it's as disappointing and disgusting as some people are making out, they are the Irish Federation and they were hardly going to go throwing around anything wild, they've also just outlined their position with regards McQuaid. If the motion at the AGM goes ahead and it is passed or agreed upon then and only then will they may have to back down from the statement, however as with all things like this an internet forum doesn't necessarily represent the rest of the public (read clubs) and the motion may get defeated.

It may seem a little omerta style, but maybe the Federation could have just waited till after the AGM to put out a statement and used the AGM as a "we have spoken with our delegates and the feeling is..."

Valid.
While I have expressed my view, it is a personal view. Geoff Liffey or anyone else is entitled to an entirely different view.
I am a CI member and a club member. But I am aware of a many people who simply don't care about LA/PMcQ etc or don't view them as doing anything wrong.
The issue with Internet forums is herding and groupthink.

The only way for anyone who wants their view heard as to make it heard. But that doesn't mean one will achieve anything.

Morrisseeee · 26-10-2012 03:50PM

What are the benefits of having McQuaid as head of the world cycling body, are Ireland seeing any benefits ?

Eg. we don't have an event/race/Classic/Tour that attracts the current top Pros to Ireland !

Is it time for Pat to go?

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