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Vegetarianism - would you try it?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Meat is awesome. Half the food I cook has two different meats in it. Bolognese? Better with sausage meat thrown in. Chicken and veg stir fry? Better with bacon. Beef chilli? Better with both minced round-eye and casserole chunks stewed in bacon fat.

    That said, I make a wicked vegan daal. Also, my mother is a vegetarian so was exposed to many veggie dishes which are grand.
    Ohh, I'm trying that in my bolognese next time!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, been a vegetarian most of my life. Was brought up as one. Except for like 3-4 years when I was a teenager...had to try meat at some point! (BLEUGH!)

    I never take supplements or anything like that. Probably should, but meh. I'm healthy enough, never sick or anything.

    Meat does taste nice, I have to admit. But I don't really like the idea of eating dead animals, and it doesn't quite agree with my stomach soooo..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    I don't eat a lot of meat regularly but somehow the thought if becoming a vegetarian has me already yearning for a thick rasher butty with an inch of lettuce, blue cheese & relish... Mmmmm

    I was in an abbitoir once when I was 19 or so & to this day will never forget the look in that cows eye - it KNEW what was coming . But unfortunately that hasn't put me off - we all have bad days/minutes/seconds.

    But - I'd really be strongly against battery chickens & would go without rather than buy non-free range eggs. And I'd be very worried about Tofu & GM materials .

    Veg's are most probably better cooks ( if you have the time) but the amount if times I've been out in " normal" restaurants & see the look of disappointment on friends faces when their " veg" dish arrives... They really are shirt changed when "shopping" .

    Personally I'd miss steaks, washers, fried chorizo for my soups/salads, & FISH. If the world was to be ending I Could never be a non-fisheating-vegetarian!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    To those who choose vegetarianism/veganism etc for ethical reasons should also consider that most modern crop agriculture practices (whether "organic" or not) will have detrimental effects on the local fauna and ecosystem. So unless you plan on living in a cave eating wild berries and nuts, give the lecturing a rest.

    I love my meat and fish, although trying to cut down on my red meat intake. Don't much care for pig products though, pork, bacon, ham, etc which makes me a bit strange I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭_petulia_


    I'm tempted to go for it after seeing this video which is flying around twitter.

    http://hiddenfaceoffood.com/[/QUOTE]

    I would like to but I like meat too much.

    Having said that I do believe that animals deserve a better standard of care than they are currently receiving in some places - watching Food Inc about the food industry in America disgusted me. People who treat animals inhumanely should be arrested.

    I buy organic / free range meat as much as possible now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    To those who choose vegetarianism/veganism etc for ethical reasons should also consider that most modern crop agriculture practices (whether "organic" or not) will have detrimental effects on the local fauna and ecosystem. So unless you plan on living in a cave eating wild berries and nuts, give the lecturing a rest.

    I love my meat and fish, although trying to cut down on my red meat intake. Don't much care for pig products though, pork, bacon, ham, etc which makes me a bit strange I guess.

    Who's lecturing? To be honest, one thing I've noticed since becoming a vegetarian is the amount of meat-eaters who the second they hear you're a vegetarian are immediately on the defensive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Who's lecturing? To be honest, one thing I've noticed since becoming a vegetarian is the amount of meat-eaters who the second they hear you're a vegetarian are immediately on the defensive.
    Maybe "lecturing" was the wrong word. Smugness or self-righteousness might be more appropriate.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    Before anyone goes vegetarian they should really read this.

    http://chriskresser.com/does-red-meat-increase-your-risk-of-death

    Red meat is good for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Vegetarians are always weeds so no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    I like to eat a Japanese style diet and pretty much don't think that any meal needs to have meat or fish to be nutritious and filling but I like to have meat in my diet. I eat meat probably one or twice a week and fish probably once a day in some form.
    I like the taste and I feel good after eating it.

    I could go veggie without too much hassle but I don't feel the need to and I don't actually want to.

    Animals in this country are treated well,free range and grass fed. There's no ethical reason here to stop eating meat, shop local and you've done your part.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    bogwalrus wrote: »
    Veggie abut 6 years now.

    No cravings for meet or fish and i was a bacon & steak addict.


    Eating a much larger variety of foods that i would never have known about unless i became a vegetarian.

    Cooking skills are pretty good now also.


    I would like to get back in to eating fish again but it might be a while before i can get my head around it.


    The one negative side i would say to being a veggie is that you really have to transform your eating habits not just your diet or else you will become very unhealthy.

    I found for the first year that i ate loads more pizza's and chinese takeaway's as meat was excluded from my diet.

    It might be difficult if your cooking skills are terrible.

    My two cents anyway

    I found the worst thing about going veggie was the ready meals. There are loads available but half of them just load up with cheese to cover a bland flavour.
    The veggie option in the staff canteen here is like that. Or else loaded with spices to cover it up.

    It's not that difficult to cook deacent meals with no meat. But it does take a little bit of time to learn (hence the reason I've eaten so many ready meals) and a lot of chefs don't seem to want to bother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Who's lecturing? To be honest, one thing I've noticed since becoming a vegetarian is the amount of meat-eaters who the second they hear you're a vegetarian are immediately on the defensive.

    they're scared you'll be overcome with cravings and eat them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Grayson wrote: »
    I found the worst thing about going veggie was the ready meals. There are loads available but half of them just load up with cheese to cover a bland flavour.
    The veggie option in the staff canteen here is like that. Or else loaded with spices to cover it up.

    It's not that difficult to cook deacent meals with no meat. But it does take a little bit of time to learn (hence the reason I've eaten so many ready meals) and a lot of chefs don't seem to want to bother.

    Indeed, one of my favourite local restaurants has become somewhere I go to less since I became vegetarian, largely because there are 3 vegetarian options, all covered in cheese - and in one case that cheese is parmesan, which isn't even vegetarian (that doesn't stop them from putting a little V beside it though). Some places do great veggie alternatives, but the tendency to compensate with cheese is one reason I could never go vegan. It just seems like impossibly hard work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Einhard wrote: »
    Cows and sundry animals are slaughtered for more than just food- animal by-products are in a myriad of items we use daily, from jelly babies to leather shoes. Do you also refrain from those things? Just curious. I don't really get why somebody would go vegetarian because of the alleged cruelty, and not go fully vegan.

    As for moi- I love meat too much to ever go veggie. I do try to buy free range stuff though, and try to buy as ethically as possible.

    I do, and pretty much every vegetarian i know does. So no jaffa cakes etc...

    Honestly the only food i miss is bacon. You can get decent quorn chicken substitutes. Their mince is really good. And I use their sausages in butties. But no-one has ever been able to make a good bacon substitute.

    I ear bacon fries occasionally. Most of the cheaper ones have no meat substitues at all :)

    And I'm forever grateful that Bisto make a gravy that isn't made from meat. As far as I'm concerned you can remove meat from a roast and something's missing. but without gravy the whole thing is pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭mrsoundie


    I worked in an abattoir when I was a young fella and every animal that came in was well cared for and kept in as little distress as possible, simply because it meant the animal was not stressed and the meat did not get stressed either.

    As for the video one side will show one thing and the other side will show you the opposite, as has been discussed here already Irish animals are well cared for.

    As for the health benefits, you will find that vegetarians and vegans are healthier simply because they are more aware of their own health and diet, unfortunately some meat eaters are oblivious to what they put in their mouths. If they put as much thought as people who care where their food comes from (vegan, vegetarian or meat eaters) we would all benefit.

    I like a vegetarian option every now and again and did enjoy River Cottage Veg, so much I bought the book.

    Everything in moderation and drink plenty of fluids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    Have been thinking of trying out the whole weekday vererarian thing, more out of curisoty and learning to cook better than anything else. Will have to read up a bit though.
    And will still get sunday roast on... well... sunday.
    Think it would be a good experment to go 5 days a week without meat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    I tried going pescaterian first and then becoming a vegetarian... Just didn't really see the point. I'm not a health nut and I already have enough trouble deciding what to make for dinner without eliminating MORE things. As for the unfortunate animals on the killing floor, if lions had the technology and intelligence to do that, they probably would. It's just the food chain working as always albeit at a higher level.

    That being said I enjoy vegan/vegetarian style food and wouldn't turn it down just because there's no meat in it. I just enjoy a barely-cooked steak as well!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Neewbie_noob


    When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,115 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Any of the new veggies feel free to pop over to the veggie forum, link under my name.

    Been one 8 years now and all I used to eat was meat. Hated veg. Couldn't be happier since, it's not hard at all and it helps you discover so much foods. Vegan is much harder. It's about reducing harm for me, nobody in our society can live without the deaths of animals, no matter what you eat, but I think it is best to reduce it if we can. I feel I should be trying too lessen harm and whatever works for people they should try, no matter how small the reduction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    darlett wrote: »
    Well I will! :D Where do you get your tofu or what type do you go for? Ive had it abroad in various forms, and some actually quite tasty, but very hard (possibly Im looking in all the wrong places) to get good stuff here. Ive never actually bought it-or like Aoifey even eaten in Ireland!

    I don't like tofu but its usually to be found in the chilled veggies section in Dunnes and Tesco. I only tried it once and I hated it, I much prefer quorn.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    I generally avoid threads like this because they reek of ignorance, both in terms of the ill-informed opinions of meat-eaters and the abuse they feel the need to dish out to the vegetarians. I am a vegetarian, a strict vegetarian, because being a conscious buyer means more to me than liking the taste of meat and if meat-eaters educated themselves the way most vegetarians do, they might feel the same. It's not just about food, I try to make sure any product I buy is veggie friendly (as best I can). I'm not vegan, I would like to be some day, I cook a lot of vegan food though, but for now I'm doing what I can. I appreciate anyone who tries to do something, not everyone is going to be able to be super strict about it, but there are no 'rules', it's a personal decision, but I think everyone should educate themselves and not kid themselves that they 'need' meat or that it's unhealthy, you're only lying to yourself. I would probably prefer if someone said no I wouldn't go vegetarian coz I like meat too much than come out with nonsense claims like that.

    Just want to point out for a lot of people posting in this thread.......vegetarian does not equal eating vegetables! It's about not eating meat, that doesn't mean we eat vegetables morning, noon and night, protein is the part of your diet that will change not your vegetables.

    And for anyone saying it's expensive? I can buy a kilo of tofu in the asian supermarkets in town for about €2. In my experience it's a far cheaper diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    I followed a vegetarian diet for a month a couple of years ago; found it quite restrictive. If you don't have plenty of time to shop and cook for the right ingredients, it can get very monotonous and unhealthy. I'm aware that there are plenty of tasty options, but I don't currently know how to cook them and don't really have the time or patience to spend a couple of months learning how to make new stuff. I can make a vegetarian lentil-and-bean chilli, or a chickpea curry, but beyond that I'm kind of stuck. The meat substitutes I used were uniformly crappy; none of them compared to the real thing. The texture is usually completely wrong, and that kills it; half the joy of good cooked meat is the texture.

    Also: I know this is something that seems to disappear with time when you go vegetarian, but good God did I miss red meat for that month. Good rare steak tastes fantastic and simply cannot be replicated; same for bacon and sausages.

    I still struggle with the ethical implications of my decision to continue eating meat; it's not something I've been able to justify in terms of ethics. I suspect that there's a decent chance that I'll convert to vegetarianism at some point in the future, but I doubt I'll ever manage to go through Christmas without cider-and-pineapple baked ham or spiced beef slow cooked in Guinness...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭positron


    When I read the thread title, I came in fully expecting to see a bunch of people going 'but god made animals out of food' etc - but I am pleasantly surprised. I have been pushing the idea of vegetarian to the other half for ages, and we not eat veg at least 4 days of the week, but herself was not convinced if veg food is nutritious enough etc - conditioned by the traditionally meat eating society I suppose (where as I grew up in a traditionally vegetarian society). I am going to ask her to read thru this thread - this is amazing. Thank you all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    positron wrote: »
    When I read the thread title, I came in fully expecting to see a bunch of people going 'but god made animals out of food' etc - but I am pleasantly surprised. I have been pushing the idea of vegetarian to the other half for ages, and we not eat veg at least 4 days of the week, but herself was not convinced if veg food is nutritious enough etc - conditioned by the traditionally meat eating society I suppose (where as I grew up in a traditionally vegetarian society). I am going to ask her to read thru this thread - this is amazing. Thank you all.

    For what it's worth, David Foster Wallace's article on the Maine Lobster Festival (here: http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000s/2004/08/consider_the_lobster) has done more than anything else to make me think hard about the fact that I eat meat. If I ever do make the switch, I suspect it'll be because I can't ignore his argument anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,355 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Tried it, lasted just under three months it's not for me. In the end the smell of frying bacon got me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    I love my meat way too much to ever become a full veggie. Although in saying that any meal I prepare has to have lots of vegetables in it.
    f I made a meat curry I would pile lots of spinach into it and I'd normally eat it with coconut veggie rice. I'd cook the rice with coconut milk, chicken stock, mushrooms, onions, peas, sweetcorn and red pepper. Utterly delicious:)
    Also instead of getting meat curries from the local Chinese takeaway I normally get a veggie curry with a portion of chicken balls.

    I have to have my delicious meaty protein but I need my vitamins, minerals and fibre just as much:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Watched the entire video. Must say If was an american, I'd be going vegen right now. Sick, spineless kunts those mega farmers.

    But fortunately, we treat our livestock with greater care and humanity than the yanks as far as I know. Those Midwest mega farms need to be done away with. All that misery and unnecessary suffering all for morbidly obese, immobile c*nts to feed their **** diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭ChopShop


    "It's nature" Funny, lots of other things are natural too, but people still manage to avoid them if it suits.


    15 years and counting, but was never big into food like some are, so it did make it easier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Yeah I'd try it out, why not and no harm for a month or two.

    I eat well with a good balance of fruit, veg and meat anyway, but it'd force me to look at my diet and eat healthier again, which would be great. So when I'd add the meat back, I'd have a good solid and healthy diet for training.

    Getting on with no meat would be torture initially though because I don't like carbs much and eat excessive amounts of protein :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Been veggie 16 yrs.

    I went off meat after watching a video in school about beef production, I just felt sick every time I looked at raw meat. I never went back. I did get a chicken sandwich by accident once and one bite of it had me nearly throwing up so I think its unlikely I will ever go back.

    I don't miss it, I eat well and I'm healthy.

    One of my kids is veggie and one eats meat and I have no problem cooking it, I don't try and push my views on other people.


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