The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

Jan Hus wrote: »

Correct, but you do not question the Word Of God. You may question how men interpret it, but not it directly

Ah go on, sure I'll testeth the waters and question his word.

systemsready wrote: »

By having the courage to question, to analyse, even at the risk of losing faith, we will eventually find the truth. Have no fear of finding untruths, all what is left afterwards can only be truth..and the Truth is God.
And as we know from our great Teacher:
"The truth sets you free."

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

systemsready wrote: »

By having the courage to question, to analyse, even at the risk of losing faith, we will eventually find the truth. Have no fear of finding untruths, all what is left afterwards can only be truth..and the Truth is God.
And as we know from our great Teacher:
"The truth sets you free."

Yes it does. Free from religion.

systemsready wrote: »

When did i say never question anything in the Bible...I started off in this forum saying that I don't believe that the translation from original language (Hebrew?) to English was reliable.

There has been hundreds of translations. None of them (at least none of the Protestant ones) differ on essential truth.

Jan Hus wrote: »

There has been hundreds of translations. None of them (at least none of the Protestant ones) differ on essential truth.

You said it..and I agree...ESSENTIAL TRUTH....

Jan Hus wrote: »

The Apostles were inspired of God (with the possible exception of James)

Thats where I tend to lose interest.

Its just another case of "god changed the physics that day" so that it doesn't shatter his belief.

shizz wrote: »

Its just another case of "god changed the physics that day" so that it doesn't shatter his belief.

The physics stays the same, always does, but we think we know about the physics,but in truth we know only the tip of the iceberg.
When Jesus made miracles, it wasn't that he changed the laws of physics, it was that he showed that man is restricted by lack of faith and finds himself constrained by what he perceives as the laws of physics, and with faith, even faith the size of a mustard seed, you can indeed do incredible things.

Sadly reflects how much faith we 'believers' really have.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

That's interesting, because Jan Hus argues that we are so super intelligent that physics should be child's play for us.

In my view we haven't a clue about who we really are and what we are capable of. What we have is guidance from a few people throughout time to give us glimpses of reality.
Telling us that God indeed exists, that we see things through the wrong lenses, that we lack the true perception that a human being should have.

Look for example at the 'Forgiveness' as taught by Jesus. Without guidance, many people were revenging themselves for the smallest things on weaker people. And the weaker people who could not revenge themselves on stronger would be eaten up by anxiety and hatred.
Bringing ones spirit forward into the unknown realm of 'Forgiveness' frees man from this spiraling destructive force that revenge is.
It builds upon itself...growing a new society that enjoins virtues rather than base instincts. Living this experience proves to the people that what Jesus said is indeed truth. Thats how it works.
So we trust him with some of what he said, but we hesitate with other things like "Give all your wealth to the poor"..which would require extreme faith, sadly few have (including me btw).If we did follow the 'Way' ordained by God we would indeed have a semblance of heaven on earth. But it requires faith.

systemsready wrote: »

In my view we haven't a clue about who we really are and what we are capable of. What we have is guidance from a few people throughout time to give us glimpses of reality.
Telling us that God indeed exists, that we see things through the wrong lenses, that we lack the true perception that a human being should have.

Thats just it. Its your opinion. If you want to believe in fairy stories thats fine, but dont go around claiming them to be true.

And at any rate, why would God make us unable to percieve things properly? What would be the point ? Honestly? Why couldnt he just show us our full potential from the start?

systemsready wrote: »

Look for example at the 'Forgiveness' as taught by Jesus. Without guidance, many people were revenging themselves for the smallest things on weaker people. And the weaker people who could not revenge themselves on stronger would be eaten up by anxiety and hatred.
Bringing ones spirit forward into the unknown realm of 'Forgiveness' frees man from this spiraling destructive force that revenge is.
It builds upon itself...growing a new society that enjoins virtues rather than base instincts. Living this experience proves to the people that what Jesus said is indeed truth. Thats how it works.
So we trust him with some of what he said, but we hesitate with other things like "Give all your wealth to the poor"..which would require extreme faith, sadly few have (including me btw).If we did follow the 'Way' ordained by God we would indeed have a semblance of heaven on earth. But it requires faith.

Jesus wasnt the first and only person to speak about forgivness, Many have gone down that road well before Jesus came about. Buddhisim has been getting people to live simpler lives and give up their possessions long before Jesus was a twinkle in his fathers eye.

Sin City wrote: »

Thats just it. Its your opinion. If you want to believe in fairy stories thats fine, but dont go around claiming them to be true.

And at any rate, why would God make us unable to percieve things properly? What would be the point ? Honestly? Why couldnt he just show us our full potential from the start?




Jesus wasnt the first and only person to speak about forgivness, Many have gone down that road well before Jesus came about. Buddhisim has been getting people to live simpler lives and give up their possessions long before Jesus was a twinkle in his fathers eye.

If we were already at our full potential from the start..then what would that mean for development, we would already be where we are created to achieve, game over before it begins. No, on the contrary , we are here to grow, and learn and understand and develop towards the perfect being. I can't see how an evolutionist can disagree with that!

I didnt mean Jesus was the first, I meant that him preceded by many others said the same thing. Virtue first over base instinct.
Jesus was saying to he jews at the time, "You think because you follow the law makes you holy, no ..you must ALSO have virtues!"
I highlighted ALSO because current christians think he meant INSTEAD.
eah Buddha, good, like Confucius and them..nothing wrong with their wisdom.
But as for knowing the true message of Buddha, I doubt we have it. Buddha said when I die dont build statues of me..and what do they do? They build the biggest statues possible...that means his message was completely distoretd by those who say the follow hi. (another lost opportunity to right the world)
I personally believe Buddha was preaching about understanding God through achieving enlightenment

Lelantos wrote: »

There is no fundamental truth that a god is there. It is your opinion & that is all it is.

That means you just have not thought it through fully enough. You may think you have, but how did you know when to stop analysing? It could have been you stopped thinking it through right before you were about to achieve a revelation.
But if you say you haven't yet fully thought it through then you cannot say God is a myth. You can say "don't know yet but I'm working on it."

systemsready wrote: »

When you think deeply enough about it..it shows itself to be absurd..and repulsive in fact.
But that takes a long time thinking about it.
Been there , done that, but not wearing the T-Shirt any more!

Not actually answering the question there systemsready?

What confuses you about there not being a God?

How do you say its repulsive and absurd and not give reasons why?