Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:12PM

MrD012 wrote: »

yes I have a source for everything I post , all of my posts are factual and to the point unlike many others here.

here it is

muslim pupils withdrawn from music lessons
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7866176/Muslim-pupils-withdrawn-from-music-lessons.html#
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Nothing to do with Ramadan. As it stands, there is a school of thought within Islam that does say that music is unislamic. I fail to see the problem, however.

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:13PM

LaminatorSGL wrote: »

40000!? That's 1600% the size of St. Patrick's Cathedral. Not against the construction of places of worship, but surely you've got to question the motive behind the size of the project.

Its not just a mosque, if you'd care to read the article.

Scofflaw · 09-10-2012 03:13PM

MrD012 wrote: »

let me guess .. European affairs ? Jean Monnet ?

would explain a lot

Do many of your colleagues share your viewpoint

First warning. You can either deal with a poster's arguments, or not. Ad hominem arguments of this kind are not acceptable and will be penalised.

moderately,
Scofflaw

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:16PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nothing to do with Ramadan. As it stands, there is a school of thought within Islam that does say that music is unislamic. I fail to see the problem, however.

really , you cannot see how it might disrupt teachers and other pupils.

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 03:18PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Still waiting on those plus side arguments , if anyone has any links to articles or studies done that show any benefits to western society , I would be more than happy to consider. however I suspect there is none , it seems to be all , lets bury our heads in the sand , ignore what has happened in the UK , sure everything will be ok

What happened in the UK, please enligten us?!! I live in the UK, in an area which is approx 50% Muslim. No problems whatsoever, very nice place to live.

walshb · 09-10-2012 03:20PM

irishconvert wrote: »

What happened in the UK, please enligten us?!! I live in the UK, in an area which is approx 50% Muslim. No problems whatsoever, very nice place to live.

In one part of the UK, or do you move around?

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:20PM

MrD012 wrote: »

really , you cannot see how it might disrupt teachers and other pupils.

Did you read the article? Children are withdrawn from the class, like the note exempting children from swimming or PE....

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:21PM

irishconvert wrote: »

What happened in the UK, please enligten us?!! I live in the UK, in an area which is approx 50% Muslim. No problems whatsoever, very nice place to live.

I have already provided some links , I don't really want to re-post them . If you could look back and read some of the articles please.

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 03:23PM

MrD012 wrote: »

again , nobody is talking about just the dangerous aspect alone , there are other aspects to Islamic culture that as I've shown in my linked articles are causing problems within the UK society.

Let me tell you there is a hell of a lot more problems caused in UK society by white British youth.

Stop being so devisive, people are people, can't you just take people as you find them instead of basing all your views on what you read in the media? Please tell us about the Muslims you know in real life?

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 03:28PM

MrD012 wrote: »

let me guess .. European affairs ? Jean Monnet ?

would explain a lot

Do many of your colleagues share your viewpoint

Completely wrong.

Explains a lot of what since you are wrong?

As it happens - yes.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:28PM

irishconvert wrote: »

Stop being so devisive, people are people, can't you just take people as you find them instead of basing all your views on what you read in the media? Please tell us about the Muslims you know in real life?

I'm not saying there are not good muslim people , there are , but all in all their way of life and culture is so different to ours that it poses problems , problems which the media have a duty to highlight and which should not be dismissed as unimportant .

walshb · 09-10-2012 03:30PM

MrD012 wrote: »

I'm not saying there are not good muslim people , there are , but all in all their way of life and culture is so different to ours that it poses problems , problems which the media have a duty to highlight and which should not be dismissed as unimportant .

Yes, but to many people here it is us who should be tolerant, accepting and willing to change. Not them! Forget asking them to maybe embarce our traditions or culture, or god forbid, to even abide by our legal laws.

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 03:30PM

MrD012 wrote: »

I'm not saying there are not good muslim people , there are , but all in all their way of life and culture is so different to ours that it poses problems , problems which the media have a duty to highlight and which should not be dismissed as unimportant .

I think you missed my question. Can you tell us about the Muslim people you know personally. Are they nice people? How do they treat you?

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 03:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but to many people here it is us who should be tolerant, accepting and willing to change. Not them! Forget asking them to maybe embarce our traditions or culture, or god forbid, to even abide by our legal laws.

Who is asking you to change?

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:37PM

irishconvert wrote: »

I think you missed my question. Can you tell us about the Muslim people you know personally. Are they nice people? How do they treat you?

yes , I went to college with a Pakistani and he was a nice man , but there are lots of nice people in the world , thats not the issue , the issue is the impact of Islam and shariah on society , and as I've pointed through various links to the UK model , there are many difficulties , difficulties which cannot be brushed off or dismissed .

Also , who are the people funding the Mosque , what are their backgrounds , do we know anything at all about them . Also with the unemployment rate expected to reach 15.5% next year and no money in the Kitty , is it wise encouraging more immigration .

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 03:39PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Still waiting on those plus side arguments , if anyone has any links to articles or studies done that show any benefits to western society , I would be more than happy to consider. however I suspect there is none , it seems to be all , lets bury our heads in the sand , ignore what has happened in the UK , sure everything will be ok

Still waiting for you to answer my question as to whether you have ever actually lived in the UK.

As for your linked sources - the only links I can find are to tabloid newspapers.

Given that the Levinson inquiry has done a sterling job of showing that what one reads in a tabloid is not necessarily a 'fact' could you perhaps provide a link to something other than a tabloid newspaper?
You could start with that one to the stats you quoted I asked you for about an hour ago?

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 03:44PM

MrD012 wrote: »

yes , I went to college with a Pakistani and he was a nice man ,

Why don't you then base your views on the people you know, rather than being a parrot and just repeating what other people tell you?

MrD012 wrote: »

but there are lots of nice people in the world , thats not the issue , the issue is the impact of Islam and shariah on society , and as I've pointed through various links to the UK model , there are many difficulties , difficulties which cannot be brushed off or dismissed .

There is no impact and it is extremely unlikely there will ever be any impact on Irish society. You are scaremongering and creating divisions.

MrD012 wrote: »

Also , who are the people funding the Mosque , what are their backgrounds , do we know anything at all about them .

Who cares? What has that got to do with anything? Since when was your background a factor in planning permission?

MrD012 wrote: »

Also with the unemployment rate expected to reach 15.5% next year and no money in the Kitty , is it wise encouraging more immigration .

With 30,000+ Muslims already here I assume it is to cater for them. The existing mosques are too small and people have to pray outside on the street.

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:46PM

MrD012 wrote: »

yes , I went to college with a Pakistani and he was a nice man , but there are lots of nice people in the world , thats not the issue , the issue is the impact of Islam and shariah on society , and as I've pointed through various links to the UK model , there are many difficulties , difficulties which cannot be brushed off or dismissed .

Also , who are the people funding the Mosque , what are their backgrounds , do we know anything at all about them . Also with the unemployment rate expected to reach 15.5% next year and no money in the Kitty , is it wise encouraging more immigration .

Why would a mosque encourage immigration?

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 03:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

Why would a mosque encourage immigration?

They'd come over here and take our prayers?

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:51PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As for your linked sources - the only links I can find are to tabloid newspapers.

how about the Guardian Newspaper

shariah law religious courts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:53PM

MrD012 wrote: »

how about the Guardian Newspaper

shariah law religious courts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts

Theres also Jewish religous courts. Both are a bad idea. Neither can counter established law though.

You still haven't explained the link between the mosque and immigration.

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 03:57PM

MrD012 wrote: »

how about the Guardian Newspaper

shariah law religious courts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts

These courts are optional, people don't have to go to them. They can choose to go to a standard UK family court. It is like the way the FA can charge a player, fine them, etc. It doesn't replace or supersede UK Law.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:58PM

Nodin wrote: »

Why would a mosque encourage immigration?

well obviously if you set up the facilities - schools , mosques , housing , communities etc , it is bound to be an attractive destination as opposed to somewhere that does not have any of these.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:59PM

irishconvert wrote: »

These courts are optional, people don't have to go to them. They can choose to go to a standard UK family court.

but then they are outcast and branded as "westerners" by their community. Also many are afraid to seek the help of the state .

wes · 09-10-2012 04:01PM

irishconvert wrote: »

These courts are optional, people don't have to go to them. They can choose to go to a standard UK family court. It is like the way the FA can charge a player, fine them, etc. It doesn't replace or supersede UK Law.

Again, they have had these sort of courts in the UK for over a 100 years with the Beth Din, a I pointed out earlier. Again, why you single out Muslims for this is bizarre, and I fail to see the relevance to here, as the UK has allowed this kind of thing for ages. As much as people like you want to pretend that this kind of thing is soley the province of Muslims, the fact remains is that the UK has allowed such courts for a century.

Either way, the building of a Mosque and community center in North Dublin has nothing to do with a system that has existed in the UK for at least a century.

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 04:03PM

MrD012 wrote: »

how about the Guardian Newspaper

shariah law religious courts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts

Given your reluctance to answer my question I assume you have never lived in the UK so really have no idea how UK society functions -or doesn't- and all your arguments are based on what it says in the newspapers. Would this be correct?

Sharia Councils have no impact on Civil Laws - in exactly the same way as Canon Law has no impact on our Civil Laws but this did not prevent the RCC from giving it precedence when it came to clerical child abusers.

You do know that other religious groups, such as the Hasidim, have similar Councils - should we also object to Jews?

Lastly - these Councils the are not Courts of Law as you imply - the Civil Law of the State will always take precedence and only the State can administer justice that is legally binding.

irishconvert · 09-10-2012 04:04PM

Nodin wrote: »

Theres also Jewish religous courts. Both are a bad idea. Neither can counter established law though.

You still haven't explained the link between the mosque and immigration.

I can't really imagine a bunch of lads in Saudi thinking "Hey, they just build a new big mosque in Dublin, let's move there".

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 04:05PM

wes wrote: »

Either way, the building of a Mosque and community center in North Dublin has nothing to do with a system that has existed in the UK for at least a century.

of course it does , sharia will be practiced here just like it is in the UK , causing much conflict with domestic law.

Benny_Cake · 09-10-2012 04:06PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Also , who are the people funding the Mosque , what are their backgrounds , do we know anything at all about them . Also with the unemployment rate expected to reach 15.5% next year and no money in the Kitty , is it wise encouraging more immigration .

Please explain to me why on earth Muslims would leave predominately Muslim countries (where, presumably, there are lots of mosques) and head to Ireland on the basis that someone is building another mosque here? Clongriffen isn't that special.

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 04:07PM

MrD012 wrote: »

of course it does , sharia will be practiced here just like it is in the UK , causing much conflict with domestic law.

There is no conflict - Civil Law always takes precedence.

Why are you singling out Muslims btw - it has been shown to you that Jews have exactly the same sort of Councils - do these not cause conflict with domestic law?

Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

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