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Gardi to tackle cycle menaces

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  • #422
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    cournioni wrote: »
    siege mentality among cyclists
    Which is surely understandable when posts like your last one make general sweeping statements like "the problem with cyclists" :)

    The reason it becomes a sticking point is not because I want to defend all cyclists, but because I want to defend myself and not be lumped into the same category as the skanger who cycles wherever he likes and shouts abuse at anyone who dares challenge him.

    Any phrase that begins with "all cyclists", is as irritating and pointlessly inflammatory as "All Irish people are...". :)


  • #423
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    cournioni wrote: »
    I totally agree. I also think that a lot of the anger may come from cyclists denial of any wrong doing and siege mentality among cyclists as you can see from this thread. Not saying that motorists are angels, just pointing out what I see as the problem with cyclists.

    Thats simply wrong. Theres lot of cyclists on this thread pointing out the issues with cyclists who don't obey the law and all for enforcement of it. The main issue people have with all this, is an grossly disproportional of the focus on the cyclists, who aren't the main cause of these accidents.

    At this point it suggests people are deliberately ignoring the known facts and statistics simply to have an irrational rant.


  • #424
    BeanBeanGreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭BeanBeanGreen


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    How many get killed/injured/scared by cyclists not yielding to pedestrians, as the figures aren't ( don't seem to be logged anywhere ) available we'll have to go by anecdotal evidence, which seems to point to the fact that cyclists are a load of unruly, law unto themselves thugs that think they are a cut above other road users because " We are cyclists and we matter more than other road users"

    Here's a video of Serialcomplaint in action!!!


  • #425
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,213 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what's he doing wrong in that video?


  • #426
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    cournioni wrote: »
    Well having two people close to me injured by cyclists, one of them elderly with permanent injuries, you should understand why I think Gardai need to be enforcing the rules with cyclists.

    Most are not disputing that accidents are caused by cyclists. Just they are very low in number relative to the attention cyclists get, or the main causes of accidents.
    cournioni wrote: »
    ... but I don't think it is any worse than the anger thrown towards drivers or pedestrians.

    If you notice these stories are about a number of different groups of road uses. Yet almost all the comments, the headlines, are about the cyclists. This thread is a perfect example. Why did this need a thread. Cyclist aren't the cause of the majority of these accidents.

    Ye are buying a biased and badly researched, written, article hook line and sinker. Which is why they wrote it like that. It doesn't matter if its true, it just matters if its popular.


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  • #427
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    what's he doing wrong in that video?
    In that situation, technically, he should yield. A car would yield because most drivers are reluctant to murder pedestrians whereas a cyclist can avoid the pedestrian (and actually telling the pedestrian to be more careful, while unsolicited advice, may be no harm). However some posters will suggest that drivers are more responsible, because they stop.


  • #428
    BeanBeanGreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭BeanBeanGreen


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    what's he doing wrong in that video?

    The pedestrian was continuing on a straight trajectory, while the cyclist was making a turn at the junction, so really the cyclist should have yielded. From ROTR "To avoid doubt and in the interest of road safety a vehicle should always yield to pedestrians"


  • #429
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,213 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the implication is that cars should yield to pedestrians when making turns - is that a suggestion from ROTR, or a breach of the law?

    the ROTR suggestion is that motor vehicles should 'always yield to pedestrians' - is this considered realistic on any level?


  • #430
    reprazant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    What is you obsession with Serialcomplaint?

    You have gone to a whole lot of effort to make him look bad.


  • #431
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    seamus wrote: »
    Which is surely understandable when posts like your last one make general sweeping statements like "the problem with cyclists" :)

    The reason it becomes a sticking point is not because I want to defend all cyclists, but because I want to defend myself and not be lumped into the same category as the skanger who cycles wherever he likes and shouts abuse at anyone who dares challenge him.

    Any phrase that begins with "all cyclists", is as irritating and pointlessly inflammatory as "All Irish people are...". :)
    Apologies, I'm at work, so don't expect my writing on here to be word for word perfect, of course I don't mean to generalise. It would be daft to suggest that any group of people are clones and that every aspect of their personality are the same.


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  • #432
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the implication is that cars should yield to pedestrians when making turns - is that a suggestion from ROTR, or a breach of the law?
    Actually the law requires that when you make a turn from one road onto another, you must yield to any pedestrians already crossing that road.
    In the video above, without a 3rd party perspective it's impossible to make a call on it as it's not clear whether the cyclist was already turning before the pedestrian started crossing, and the lack of any observation on the part of the pedestrian before stepping onto the road also puts him in equal breach of the law.


  • #433
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    BostonB wrote: »
    Most are not disputing that accidents are caused by cyclists. Just they are very low in number relative to the attention cyclists get, or the main causes of accidents.



    If you notice these stories are about a number of different groups of road uses. Yet almost all the comments, the headlines, are about the cyclists. This thread is a perfect example. Why did this need a thread. Cyclist aren't the cause of the majority of these accidents.

    Ye are buying a biased and badly researched, written, article hook line and sinker. Which is why they wrote it like that. It doesn't matter if its true, it just matters if its popular.
    I disagree, there are lots of threads about motorists breaking rules etc. I believe there was one recently about young male drivers that received a lot of attention.


  • #434
    Korvanica
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    reprazant wrote: »
    What is you obsession with Serialcomplaint?

    You have gone to a whole lot of effort to make him look bad.

    I'd like to know this aswell. I asked earlier in the thread but it was ignored.

    Which one of Serials videos do you feature in "Mr 4 Posts BeanBeanGreen account set up to target a single individual"


  • #435
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,213 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually the law requires that when you make a turn from one road onto another, you must yield to any pedestrians already crossing that road.
    that's fair enough - but i was of a similar opinion to you that if the cyclist was already making the turn, he'd have ROW.


  • #436
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    cournioni wrote: »
    I disagree, there are lots of threads about motorists breaking rules etc. I believe there was one recently about young male drivers that received a lot of attention.

    The difference is they are usually in broadly in line with statistics or research.

    With cyclists they doing the exact opposite of what the research and statistics would suggest.

    That is the main point that is being made.


  • #437
    BeanBeanGreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭BeanBeanGreen


    reprazant wrote: »
    What is you obsession with Serialcomplaint?

    You have gone to a whole lot of effort to make him look bad.

    Because he is the personification of the arrogant self-righteous cyclist stereotype. I have't made him look bad - he did this himself. His videos are a catalogue of, amongst other things: refusing to use provided cycle tracks just to make some obscure point, stopping in yellow boxes when the exit route is not clear, not stopping at stop signs, cycling in the middle of the road for no other reason than to provoke a confrontation, speeding towards hazards like a lunatic, not yielding to pedestrians, aggressively confronting and intimidating motorists including lone females, posting videos of people on youtube accusing them of illegal/irresponsible road use (when usually he has caused the problem), poor road etiquette, having a total lack of anything resembling common sense, refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing on his own part, demonstrating an irrational hatred of Gardai and Taxi drivers (in fact motorists in general).

    One or two of these things by themselves might be forgivable - a genuine error or misjudgment. But he seems to be on some illogical-paranoid crusade against other road users. He accuses others of dangerous road use while clearly being a dangerous road user himself - so he's a hypocrite. And he's also a coward, posting up other peoples faces and reg numbers but safe behind the keyboard himself. He seems like an accident waiting to happen.

    I've no problem with road users (or other people posting here on Boards) once they act in a reasonable, safe, and courteous manner. Correct me if Im wrong, but you seem slightly hostile to me criticizing serialcomplaints cycling. It's not an issue of motorists vs cyclists or anything. At the end of the day, its between safe road users vs dangerous/irresponsible road users. Why anyone would choose to defend his behaviours on the roads is beyond me...

    Im not in any of his videos btw (in reply to Korvanica)


  • #438
    reprazant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    I'm not hostile to you criticising him. I am curious as to what he did to offend you so much that you felt the need to create a youtube account containing numerous videos showing him in a bad light and then to create a boards account with the sole intention of posting links to these videos.

    I find it pretty sad, petty and pretty vindictive. Each to their own though I guess.


  • #439
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    SerialComplaint wrote: »


    Do you drive with blinkers on? You seem to only see faults relating to one particular group of road users.


    Considering the thread title
    Gardi to tackle cycle menaces

    Why would I bring in other roadusers. Gardai already run campaigns on a regular basis to target other road users


  • #440
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    monument wrote: »
    Motorists stick to the road?! :eek:

    AGAIN: Where you live must be different to the rest of Ireland where motorists parking on footpaths is rampant.

    Not condoning it but ever thought that the reason they park on footpaths is to allow traffic ( including bikes ) to have more room on the road.

    No I am not saying parking on footpaths is a good thing


  • #441
    Skrynesaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Skrynesaver


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    I'd hate to be run into by a cyclist doing 50kph, though - even if he + bike and belongings only weigh 120kg. I think we'd both be injured; but I think he'd probably be worse off because of his momentum.

    One last time, for the hard of thinking, the reason I don't use the shared facility from Finglas down to the Tolka valley is because I am going too fast and do not want to injure myself or other road users... It is the only cycling regulation I break and I break it because it's patently absurd.


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  • #442
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Considering the thread title

    Why would I bring in other roadusers. Gardai already run campaigns on a regular basis to target other road users


    Isn't that the point? Most of the focus is on cyclists when this campaign isn't about just cyclists.
    some 76 per cent of those killed or seriously injured were defined as “vulnerable road users” such as pedestrians, cyclists and motorbikers;

    Also its debatable if it makes any sense to group cyclists with those other groups. Its seems probably its done to provide a justification to target cyclists. As there's little case for it, if you look at cycling statistics on their own.


  • #443
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    BostonB wrote: »
    Isn't that the point? Most of the focus is on cyclists when this campaign isn't about just cyclists.



    Also its debatable if it makes any sense to group cyclists with those other groups. Its seems probably its done to provide a justification to target cyclists. As there's little case for it, if you look at cycling statistics on their own.


    Other road users are targetted on a regular basis, HGV's, Car Drivers, Van Drivers, Taxi Drivers etc. I cannot see any reason why cyclists shouldn't be targetted in similar campaigns aimed at their shortcomings and their general flagrant disregard of traffic law


  • #444
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    cournioni wrote: »
    I'm not talking about parked anything, I'm talking about cyclists cycling on footpaths. If a car drove on a footpath, the Gardai would take action, the same cannot be said for cyclists at present. Cyclists cycling on a footpath pose a huge danger to pedestrians.

    Cars that end up crashing on a footpath and killing somebody will be dealt with by the law. Nothing is being done about cyclists injuring or potentially people on footpaths. That is my point.

    How do you park a car on a footpath without driving on it? :pac:

    Spending six months with walking a pram as my most used mode of transport cars parked on or driving up on footpaths was a much larger problem than cyclists on footpaths.

    Same goes for red lights -- cyclists were annoying but overall cars and vans breaking red lights were much more annoying.

    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Not condoning it but ever thought that the reason they park on footpaths is to allow traffic ( including bikes ) to have more room on the road.

    No I am not saying parking on footpaths is a good thing

    That looks like condoning to me. What else are you doing?

    Footpaths are not for cars to park on or for cyclists to cycle on. It's as simple as that.


  • #445
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Other road users are targetted on a regular basis, HGV's, Car Drivers, Van Drivers, Taxi Drivers etc. I cannot see any reason why cyclists shouldn't be targetted in similar campaigns aimed at their shortcomings and their general flagrant disregard of traffic law

    Target them for disregard of traffic law that make good sense. Red lights etc. Using lights etc, staying off paths with pedestrians. I don't think many would argue against that.

    Unfortunately some of the laws are not fit for purpose, and may indeed encourage unsafe cycling, like forcing cyclists into unsuitable cycle lanes or on to less safe routes.


  • #446
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Be interesting to see how they enforce this one.
    pedestrians who cross roads at unofficial crossing points should also prepare for a Garda interview and possible prosecution.


  • #447
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    BostonB wrote: »
    Be interesting to see how they enforce this one.

    It will be given that there's no law against crossing a road once you're 15 meters away from a crossings.


  • #448
    Undercover Elephant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Undercover Elephant


    BostonB wrote: »
    Be interesting to see how they enforce this one.

    I think it's high time that pedestrians are made to wear some kind of identifying number on hi-viz vests, or perhaps a QR code so that infringers can be readily identified by cameras.


  • #449
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Undercover Elephant wrote: »
    I think it's high time that pedestrians are made to wear some kind of identifying number on hi-viz vests, or perhaps a QR code so that infringers can be readily identified by cameras.

    ..and made to pay road/motor/pavement tax.

    They can put the number on their mandatory helmets.


  • #450
    SerialComplaint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭SerialComplaint


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Why would I bring in other roadusers. Gardai already run campaigns on a regular basis to target other road users
    Gardai and RSA have NEVER run a campaign to target how other road users behave around cyclists.


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  • #451
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Undercover Elephant wrote: »
    I think it's high time that pedestrians are made to wear some kind of identifying number on hi-viz vests, or perhaps a QR code so that infringers can be readily identified by cameras.

    Winner. :D


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