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Gardi to tackle cycle menaces

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,624 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Two questions for you: What's the speed limit on that road?
    what has that got to do with anything? Speed limits do not apply to bicycles
    Are your brakes as effective and as safe as a cars'?
    far more effective in general, no abs though so you'll just lock up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,624 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    If you lose control of a bike you will only hurt yourself, it's a different story in a car.

    well, that's not really true is it? easy to hit a ped or another cyclist or cause a bus to suddenly brake and cause passengers to fall etc etc etc...


  • Site Banned Posts: 13 rdsatapa


    The “casualty reduction” plan, launched yesterday, will see “the full rigours of the law” applied to cyclists who go through red lights, cycle on footpaths or travel the wrong way on a one-way street facing increased levels of Garda enforcement.

    ¿ So how many "casualties" are actually being caused by cyclists going through red lights or travelling the wrong way on one-way-streets ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Logical_Bear


    How is that a source for stating this?
    Thought you were looking for the source on the 100€ fine.my bad.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,213 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    far more effective in general, no abs though so you'll just lock up.
    unfortunately not, afaik. in emergency braking, a car can hit 1G of deceleration. a bike can't match that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    lycra lout on his super light Reynolds 531 steel framed fixie VS a Garda on his ton weight full laden mountain bike in hot pursuit bumping on and off curbs and breaking traffic lights :)

    Gardai will have to upgrade to something sportier. : )
    There's a rumour going around that one of the cycle Gardai is a national TT champion. MTB or not, you'd want to get him on a really bad day to get away from him...

    I also suspect most of the people who would try to run are the high-vis flappers cycling along with their knees at their ears, or schoolkids on their fixies, who really wouldn't have a hope. Fixies are good for riding in a straight line, not so much for the ducking in and out of roads at speed.
    Yeah, which is why I said that perhaps it's time that accidents involving cyclists were treated the same way as accidents involving motor vehicles, if there is an injury then the Gardai are required to be informed and the accident logged....
    That is actually the law at the moment. If an incident involves any injury, the Gardai must be notified of the incident.
    In most cases where there's some form of collision or incident with a bicycle, there'll probably be an "injury", be it a pedal to the shin or stem to the balls, but you'll find that in most cases the cyclist doesn't bother reporting it to the Gardai unless they end up in hospital. Combination of "Ah shure I'm grand, I can walk" and embarrassment means they usually just want to get up and move on as soon as they can.
    A terrifyingly high number of motorists are also willing to just drive off without stopping, either through ignorance or badness.

    Edit: Sorry, I see now you're referring to cyclist/pedestrian incidents. Afaik, they are legally required to be reported as the bicycle is a vehicle involved in a collision. But like I say above, in most cases people just want to get up and move on, not stand around waiting for a Garda to arrive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭Timothy Bryce


    I see the same stupid b*tch on her bike every morning when I'm at the bus stop....she comes along all "DING DING DING OUTTA MY WAY! I'M A CYCLIST!!!" whilst cycling in the cycle lane.

    Then when I'm on the bus, it has to drive behind her as she's cycling in the middle of the bus lane, despite there being a cycle lane on the pathway.

    Indicative of most of cyclists out there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    I see the same stupid b*tch on her bike every morning when I'm at the bus stop....she comes along all "DING DING DING OUTTA MY WAY! I'M A CYCLIST!!!" whilst cycling in the cycle lane.

    Then when I'm on the bus, it has to drive behind her as she's cycling in the middle of the bus lane, despite there being a cycle lane on the pathway.

    Indicative of most of cyclists out there.

    whereabouts is the cycle lane? There's a few on path cycle lanes I won't use because they're dangerous or useless etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    Does all cyclist do the same at your bus stop? Or just her?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭Timothy Bryce


    dearg lady wrote: »
    whereabouts is the cycle lane? There's a few on path cycle lanes I won't use because they're dangerous or useless etc.

    It's on the N11 and there's a clear cycle lane on the pathway....despite this the stupid cnut decides to cycle in the middle of the buslane whilst the bus drives at a nice speed of about 6mph.

    The cycle lane goes onto the road for about 10metres after the bus stop but most cyclists dont follow it back on to the pathway....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Skrynesaver


    While I'm quite glad that you are staying out of the cycle lane (named a cycle land, not a racing lane) where you're a danger to both yourself and others - yes, bus passengers are also allowed alight in safety; we are all sharing the road space - and I'm glad you have effective brakes,
    So far we agree, though you really shouldn't make a habit of criticizing cyclists who want to make progress ;)
    the problem is that these brakes will not allow you to stop in a safe or stable a manner as a car's.
    Well yes but I have a clearer view of what's going on than someone stuck in a cage does and have longer to modulate my speed. The combined weight of myself, the bike, the locks, pannier, laptop and office clothing is under 120Kg.
    I had to make an emergency stop early on Sunday morning, doing 50kph in the car. While I remained in my seat as I was belted in, everything on the passenger seat fell into the footwell. I didn't fly over the steering wheel, and I didn't fall over, as the car has a stable four-wheel base. Are your brakes equally safe?

    I'm glad you managed to stop in time, as a car, even @ 50kph, can kill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    It's on the N11 and there's a clear cycle lane on the pathway....despite this the stupid cnut decides to cycle in the middle of the buslane whilst the bus drives at a nice speed of about 6mph.

    The cycle lane goes onto the road for about 10metres after the bus stop but most cyclists dont follow it back on to the pathway....

    I don't cycle this way so I can't comment on the quality of the lane, but it is possible she's just an eejit who doesn't care. Don't judge all cyclists badly though. I witness some stupid behaviour from motorists, but most of them are grand


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    seamus wrote: »
    There's a rumour going around that one of the cycle Gardai is a national TT champion. MTB or not, you'd want to get him on a really bad day to get away from him...

    I also suspect most of the people who would try to run are the high-vis flappers cycling along with their knees at their ears, or schoolkids on their fixies, who really wouldn't have a hope. Fixies are good for riding in a straight line, not so much for the ducking in and out of roads at speed.

    A lot of fixie's don't have brakes. :eek:

    (They depend on the pedals)

    "Premium Rush", good entertainment with some commuting tips for the cyclist. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    Speaking as a cyclist, yes, I agree that alot of cyclists need to stop going on footpaths, to be honest though the main city center should be pedestrianised for cyclists and pedestrians and tourism


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭CatEyed92


    keith16 wrote: »
    Last week, I was cycling down the road when the green light came on. Luckily, I stopped in the nick of time! I almost hit a pedestrian, who was walking blindly onto the road, despite the red man! And the scary thing was, they didn't even see what they had done! I was shaking afterwards!

    I've seen them violate rules constantly but that was heartstopping!

    :confused: Not really funny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭mitosis


    BostonB wrote: »
    Take the canal about 70%+ cyclists (my guesstimate) break the lights along that route. There isn't daily carnage.

    Which is just as likely to be down to the good driving skills of the motorists who manage to anticipate and avoid.

    Maybe the reason there is only a small number of cyclist fatalities is not because the cyclists are not doing something endangering, but that motorists have adapted to expect them to behave recklessly.

    The motorist is always at fault in a collision with a cyclist because she is supposed to expect the unexpected and react accordingly, because of the two, she is the one with training. Even when clearly not to blame, she is at fault. Like when a bike comes up the inside of a large vehicle at a left turn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    mitosis wrote: »
    Maybe the reason there is only a small number of cyclist fatalities is not because the cyclists are not doing something endangering, but that motorists have adapted to expect them to behave recklessly.
    Then somehow I consistently manage to avoid every single one of these motorists with their super "cyclist radar" and only encounter the ones who somehow seem incapable of seeing an 80kg man in multi-coloured clothing coming towards them.

    I cross over the canal at Rathmines every day and without fail between 2 and 10 drivers (yes, ten) break the lights when they change, yet somehow nobody is injured. It must be because cyclists have developed excellent avoidance skills.

    Or maybe it's down to the simple fact that nobody's quite so dumb as you seem to think and they generally don't take blind risks. People break lights because they know they can do so in relative safety.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    You seem to be mistaken, motorists don't break the lights, only cyclists do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,741 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    reprazant wrote: »
    You seem to be mistaken, motorists don't break the lights, only cyclists do.
    Really? Never? I must have hallucinated that guy in the hatchback who broke the lights this morning so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 BeanBeanGreen


    There is a video channel on youtube claiming to show poor cycling by Boards user "Serialcomplaint" - dont know if its the same guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/JanGabriel33/videos?flow=grid&view=0


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,213 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that is an exceedingly odd youtube channel.
    there's a video on that channel called something along the lines of 'cyclist who claims to be a member of the labour party doesn't yield to pedestrians', and it shows a pedestrian crossing the road without looking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Wow, that's a pretty pathetic youtube channel. A lot of effort there BeanBeanGreen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 BeanBeanGreen


    Agreed - very odd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    Who knew the Labour Party were such bad cyclists?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Pataman


    mitosis wrote: »
    Which is just as likely to be down to the good driving skills of the motorists who manage to anticipate and avoid.

    Maybe the reason there is only a small number of cyclist fatalities is not because the cyclists are not doing something endangering, but that motorists have adapted to expect them to behave recklessly.

    The motorist is always at fault in a collision with a cyclist because she is supposed to expect the unexpected and react accordingly, because of the two, she is the one with training. Even when clearly not to blame, she is at fault. Like when a bike comes up the inside of a large vehicle at a left turn.

    What a pile of poo.
    Every road user has equal responsibility for their and other road users safety.
    Most cyclists seem to operate on the basis that someone else will look after their welfare with their careless attitude to their own safety.

    And referring to motorists as "she" is entirely unfair to females.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭John Mason


    keith16 wrote: »
    Last week, I was cycling down the road when the green light came on. Luckily, I stopped in the nick of time! I almost hit a pedestrian, who was walking blindly onto the road, despite the red man! And the scary thing was, they didn't even see what they had done! I was shaking afterwards!

    I've seen them violate rules constantly but that was heartstopping!

    last week, i was crossing the road with the green man, when a cyclist came through the lights, clipped me, and started yelling at me for not looking where i was going.

    And the scary thing was, they didn't even see that they had broken the lights! I was shaking afterwards!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    Everyone's very well behaved this week. Last week was a write off though :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    irishbird wrote: »
    last week, i was crossing the road with the green man, when a cyclist came through the lights, clipped me, and started yelling at me for not looking where i was going.

    And the scary thing was, they didn't even see that they had broken the lights! I was shaking afterwards!

    In fairness you are suppossed to look both ways before crossing the road.
    http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/Campaigns/Current-road-safety-campaigns/Safe-Cross-Code/

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    irishbird wrote: »
    last week, i was crossing the road with the green man, when a cyclist came through the lights, clipped me, and started yelling at me for not looking where i was going.

    And the scary thing was, they didn't even see that they had broken the lights! I was shaking afterwards!

    Wasn't a courier by any chance? Those guys are absolutely mental.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭derb12


    As a cyclist I welcome this. It's a no-brainer. Cyclists should obey the rules of the road - full stop.
    I just wish it could be accompanied by some measures to educated idiot drivers who seem to see cyclists as inferior road users who have to yield to cars.
    This morning a woman rolled down her window to give out to me as I had almost prevented her from catching the light to make a left turn at a t-junction. She successfully made her turn through the red light. The fact that I was in front of her was what annoyed her I suppose. I guess she felt that instead of indicating to switch to the right lane at the point where the road splits into 2 lanes about 20m before the junction, I should have anticipated that important cars would be in a hurry to get through the amber light and I should have just pulled up onto the footpath and let everyone through. No doubt this idiot is still seething at the temerity of cyclists!
    Same deal at roundabouts. In the other "busy" cycling thread on AH a poster (who presumably has a full driving licence) thought that cyclists weren't allowed to use roundabouts! That explains that number of times that I've been cut-off when cars behind me try to go straight through a roundabout while I, on my bike in front of them am indicating that I'm turning left.
    I hate to see stupid cyclists breaking lights, recklessly changing lanes or cycling at night without lights or any reflective gear. They will probably just kill themselves some day. I'm more concerned about stupid drivers killing me.


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