Bouncers/ Clubs rights

mikemac1 · 29-09-2012 10:46PM

I'm surprised most of the 40 even got in.

When I've gone on group nights out in a town with a hired bus we always split into two and threes and even then not everyone would get into the same place.

The bouncers talk to each other and a large group is going to make them wary.

entropi · 29-09-2012 10:48PM

Faolchu wrote: »

Your first mistake was 40 lads on a bus. Your second was going to naas

And the third: heading over to Time.

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 10:48PM

kippy wrote: »

Then you know what you are talking about.
The VAST majority of those in those professions are arseholes.
You've heard it here first on boards.ie from a person who knows it all.

Well you haven't "heard it here first on boards.ie", have you? Because most people irl would tell you the same. Your mistimed use of sarcasm is embarrassing.

A portion of drunk people act like nobs. A portion of bouncers act like nobs.

In my experience (discredit it all you want) the latter portion is far, far larger.

Pottler · 29-09-2012 10:48PM

I've been asked, realllyyy nicely, to leave a fair few nightclubs, I used to love a fight tbh, never thrown out, just asked nicely and quietly, many times would I mind going out the back door as the guards/police were coming in the front, Mr Pottler, sir, and it is a wonderous thing just how differently all the obnoxious, tough bouncers act when they know they will get their 4rse handed back to them. I actually do not like bouncers, per se, I don't like their attitude, I don't like their rudeness and I don't like the way they look at people and throw their weight around when they can. My wife hates nightclubs, because when the Bouncers get snotty or act tough, she knows there will be possibly be a row, mainly because I've stood where they do, and I was genuinely nice to everyone, never acted the dick with customers and always ensured that lads who were just out for a row or to bully the "normal" customers got a smack and a quick exit. So, some bouncers are dicks, but so are some clubbers. Ahh well. I also managed to get shot, stabbed, sliced and beaten to a pulp quite a lot, I still have a round lodged in my leg and a tooth lodged in one of my knuckles as well as some lovely scars and a finger cut off and re-attached, so really, no matter how well paid the job might seem, and how snotty they might come across as, it's a crap job in many cases.

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:50PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Well you haven't "heard it here first on boards.ie", have you? Because most people irl would tell you the same. Your mistimed use of sarcasm is embarrassing.

A portion of drunk people act like nobs. A portion of bouncers act like nobs.

In my experience (discredit it all you want) the latter portion is far, far larger.

So throughout the entire island of Ireland tonight you think that more doormen will act the cúnt than drunk people will?

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:50PM

Pottler wrote: »

I've been asked, realllyyy nicely, to leave a fair few nightclubs, I used to love a fight tbh, never thrown out, just asked nicely and quietly, and it is a wonderous thing just how differently all the obnoxious, tough bouncers act when they know they will get their 4rse handed back to them. I actually do not like bouncers, per se, I don't like their attitude, I don't like their rudeness and I don't like the way they look at people and throw their weight around when they can. My wife hates nightclubs, because when the Bouncers get snotty or act tough, she knows there will be possibly be a row, mainly because I've stood where they do, and I was genuinely nice to everyone, never acted the dick with customers and always ensured that lads who were out for a row or to bully the "normal" customers got a smack and a quick exit. So, some bouncers are dicks, but so are some clubbers. Ahh well.

Jesus you must be rock hard :rolleyes:

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:51PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Well you haven't "heard it here first on boards.ie", have you? Because most people irl would tell you the same. Your mistimed use of sarcasm is embarrassing.

A portion of drunk people act like nobs. A portion of bouncers act like nobs.

In my experience (discredit it all you want) the latter portion is far, far larger.

Embarrassing, really?
I'm not the kind of person that's easily embarrassed to be honest, particularly in settings such as this.

I would have agreed with you ten or twelve years ago. I've grown up a lot since in that time however and can see things from various perspectives now.

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 10:52PM

Melion wrote: »

So throughout the entire island of Ireland tonight you think that more doormen will act the cúnt than drunk people will?

The comparison was meant relatively, seeing as at a guess there would be 30 times as many people out as there are bouncers. This figure is a complete estimate and only intended to illustrate a point.

I could draw you a pie chart but I can't be arsed, sorry.

cafecolour · 29-09-2012 10:52PM

I'd also add that as time goes on, IMHO, the good bouncers get better at telling who might be trouble, and some get more paranoid and worse - they can see 20 different ways a situation can go wrong even when it'll probably fine.

The latter type ends up refusing someone for 'no reason' because something about them triggers some type of subconscious memory of a time when something went badly and someone caused trouble.

To give an extreme (silly) example, a scumbag comes to a club wearing a red tie, causes trouble, gets thrown out. The next week a normal guy comes wearing a red tie - the good bouncer can tell hes sound lets him in, the bad bouncer subconsciously thinks 'uh oh red tie - that was a problem before' and denies.

ehmjay · 29-09-2012 10:53PM

"Not tonight lads"
"Ahhh, why?"
"Don't recognise you"
"We were here last week"
"Not tonight lads"

OP when I was your age even in a group of 6 or 7 we'd walk up in 2's or 3's, get talking to girls in the queue if there were none with us, we weren't scobes, we were well-dressed, slightly intoxicated and sometimes for no reason we'd be refused. Move on to another club, get in and enjoy our night, try the same club we were refused from the next week and get in. There were 40 of you out together and you weren't enjoying yourselves? Anyway, from the point of view of the bouncers your friend was spilling drinks on the dance-floor and falling over, reason enough to kick him out. And why did you take a picture of your friends drugs?

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:54PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

The comparison was meant relatively, seeing as at a guess there would be 3- times as many people out as there are bouncers. This figure is a complete estimate and only intended to illustrate a point.

I could draw you a pie chart but I can't be arsed, sorry.

Rephrase melions question.
The percentage of drinkers acting the ass will be far lower than the percentage of bouncers acting the ass?

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 10:56PM

It's somewhat amusing how quickly some people are to cry about "generalising bouncers" yet they would defend a bouncer's decision to ruin somebody's night because they've decided to generalise males, or those under 21 or without an AgeCard.

kippy wrote: »

Rephrase melions question.
The percentage of drinkers acting the ass will be far lower than the percentage of bouncers acting the ass?

Alternatively, read my post again.

jaffacakesyum · 29-09-2012 10:58PM

kippy wrote: »

Rephrase melions question.
The percentage of drinkers acting the ass will be far lower than the percentage of bouncers acting the ass?

Well, let's say there's a club with 50 people in it and 2 bouncers.

In my experience usually half of clubgoers are drunken idiots acting the ass. Also in my experience, at least one bouncer will be a dick/make a poor decision on the night. It only has to be one out of the two working to make the percentage of annoying clubgoers and annoying bouncers equal.

So there's two ways of looking at it - there's a lot more drunken idiots acting like twats than there is bouncers being dicks. But proportionally, they're the same - or more leaning towards bouncers in my experience

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:59PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

It's somewhat amusing how quickly some people are to cry about "generalising bouncers" yet they would defend a bouncer's decision to ruin somebody's night because they've decided to generalise males, or those under 21 or without an AgeCard.

Males start more fights than women, thats a fact, not a generalisation.

Legally you have to carry a passport and/or an age card until you are 21. If someone hands me a passport and i dont believe its them in the picture, i will ask for the age card, if they dont have one then i will ask for another form of I.D,even a bank card will do me. If they dont have one then they are not getting in.

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:59PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

It's somewhat amusing how quickly some people are to cry about "generalising bouncers" yet they would defend a bouncer's decision to ruin somebody's night because they've decided to generalise males, or those under 21 or without an AgeCard.

Alternatively, read my post again.

In the example above - the original post. Where exactly did the bouncers generalise anyone/anything?
The vast majority of the 40 18 year olds got into the club.
10% didn't.

yore · 29-09-2012 10:59PM

Melion wrote: »

Im quite happy going to work earning more in a night than a lot of people do in a week.

Did you work for the late Alan Ryan?

The OP was in a place that had "about 8" security for "70-80" patrons. So each 10 patrons were dropping enough money there that night to be able to cover more than a lot of people's wages for a week.

Good man yourself. Did your boss tell your that...
"Hey Melion, I'll give you 100 Euro for a night. Yeah, that's more than most people make in a week. Yeah it is. Trust me"

kippy · 29-09-2012 11:01PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

It's somewhat amusing how quickly some people are to cry about "generalising bouncers" yet they would defend a bouncer's decision to ruin somebody's night because they've decided to generalise males, or those under 21 or without an AgeCard.

Alternatively, read my post again.

Evidently you don't understand the concept of percentages.

Mr. Boo · 29-09-2012 11:01PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Well, let's say there's a club with 50 people in it and 2 bouncers.

In my experience usually half of clubgoers are drunken idiots acting the ass. Also in my experience, at least one bouncer will be a dick/make a poor decision on the night. It only has to be one out of the two working to make the percentage of annoying clubgoers and annoying bouncers equal.

So really, 50% of people are d1cks? Case closed.

Melion · 29-09-2012 11:01PM

yore wrote: »

Did you work for the late Alan Ryan?

The OP was in a place that had "about 8" security for "70-80" patrons. So each 10 patrons were dropping enough money there that night to be able to cover more than a lot of people's wages for a week.

Good man yourself. Did your boss tell your that...
"Hey Melion, I'll give you 100 Euro for a night. Yeah, that's more than most people make in a week. Yeah it is. Trust me"

Can someone please explain any part of this to me?

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 11:02PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Well, let's say there's a club with 50 people in it and 2 bouncers.

In my experience usually half of clubgoers are drunken idiots acting the ass. Also in my experience, at least one bouncer will be a dick/make a poor decision on the night. It only has to be one out of the two working to make the percentage of annoying clubgoers and annoying bouncers equal.

You need to go to some better places if half of the clientèle are "acting the ass". In fact I would say even Melon here would tell you that's complete bollocks as it would be absolute chaos on a nightly basis.

In fairness to bouncers (well not really), they are given remit to do whatever they want. If a club-goer acts the bollocks they get thrown out, maybe roughed up along the way and barred. If a bouncer acts the bollocks he gets a pat on the back from his buddies and the night goes on. A young person with drink taken has absolutely zero chance of being taken seriously by the Gardaí. I've seen this happen as a barman and as a club-goer.

kippy · 29-09-2012 11:03PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Well, let's say there's a club with 50 people in it and 2 bouncers.

In my experience usually half of clubgoers are drunken idiots acting the ass. Also in my experience, at least one bouncer will be a dick/make a poor decision on the night. It only has to be one out of the two working to make the percentage of annoying clubgoers and annoying bouncers equal.

So there's two ways of looking at it - there's a lot more drunken idiots acting like twats than there is bouncers being dicks. But proportionally, they're the same - or more leaning towards bouncers in my experience

If 50% of all bouncers acted the prick to the extent that many are saying here, there wouldn't last p1ssing time in a job.

jaffacakesyum · 29-09-2012 11:05PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

You need to go to some better places if half of the clientèle are "acting the ass". In fact I would say even Melon here would tell you that's complete bollocks as it would be absolute chaos on a nightly basis.

In fairness to bouncers (well not really), they are given remit to do whatever they want. If a club-goer acts the bollocks they get thrown out, maybe roughed up along the way and barred. If a bouncer acts the bollocks he gets a pat on the back from his buddies and the night goes on. A young person with drink taken has absolutely zero chance of being taken seriously by the Gardaí. I've seen this happen as a barman and as a club-goer.

Perhaps I'm just getting too old for clubbing :pac: When I say "acting the ass" I don't mean they're all causing trouble, I just mean they're being drunken idiots. I don't mean that 50% of people are doing something worthy of getting kicked out.

jaffacakesyum · 29-09-2012 11:06PM

kippy wrote: »

If 50% of all bouncers acted the prick to the extent that many are saying here, there wouldn't last p1ssing time in a job.

Why not? You get dicks in every job and they don't get fired for it. There's no job field that is 100% free of assholes. Unfortunately most of the time you just have to deal with them. A bouncer isn't going to get fired for refusing a few people a night for no reason

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 11:08PM

kippy wrote: »

If 50% of all bouncers acted the prick to the extent that many are saying here, there wouldn't last p1ssing time in a job.

Why is that? Quite frequently I see bouncers exert far more violence, sorry 'force' than is necessary. To the point where bystanders stop laughing at the young fella getting pasted and start telling the bouncers to cop the f*** on. And what happens? Maybe the bloodied young fella stops some passing Gardai and drunkenly tells them how he was assaulted, the Gardai tell him to cop on or they'll arrest him and drive on.

The last fight I wintessed between 'doormen' and a drunk person was less violent and more hilarious really. One pretty small guy was in a bit of a wrestling match with a bouncer a fair bit bigger than him. The bouncer was trying to take him down by kicking his legs away, which is fair enough, but he couldn't do it for love nor money. Eventually he got him down on the floor and the two of them basically sat next to each other exhausted until his back-up arrived. While the other bouncers went to eject him, this bouncer (now with his breath back) marched back over and started pulling the boy's hair. Hilariously pathetic.

Pottler · 29-09-2012 11:08PM

Melion wrote: »

Jesus you must be rock hard :rolleyes:

No, I'm older and wiser, but yes, yes I was. You can take the mick all you want with your sarcy eyes, like you know feck all about me or mine, but like I said, some bouncers are dicks, but theres always a bigger dick out there Mr Mellion. Anyway, I'm going back to posting my usual sh1te, keep warm on those doors. The big money will keep you happy.

yore · 29-09-2012 11:09PM

Melion wrote: »

Can someone please explain any part of this to me?

Not too good on the oul' maths eh?

The first part refers to Alan Ryan. Recently deceased at the end of a handgun. Allegedly head of the Real IRA who extortion rackets in Dublin. Also "controlled security" in a lot of pubs around the city.

The second point is your claim that you make more in a night than a lot of people do in a week. For that to be true, the premises that you are working for must be making enough money to pay you. If a pub/club has 70-80 customers and 8 staff it means they must make enough money from the 80 people to pay the wages of the 8 security staff for the night (forgetting about all the other staff costs). You'd have us believe that those 8 staff are getting paid a total greater than the equivalent of 8 weeks wages of a lot of people.

Melion · 29-09-2012 11:09PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Why not? You get dicks in every job and they don't get fired for it. There's no job field that is 100% free of assholes. Unfortunately most of the time you just have to deal with them. A bouncer isn't going to get fired for refusing a few people a night for no reason

He wont get fired but he will be taken off the door and put inside the club if he is doing it for no reason.

kippy · 29-09-2012 11:09PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

You need to go to some better places if half of the clientèle are "acting the ass". In fact I would say even Melon here would tell you that's complete bollocks as it would be absolute chaos on a nightly basis.

In fairness to bouncers (well not really), they are given remit to do whatever they want. If a club-goer acts the bollocks they get thrown out, maybe roughed up along the way and barred. If a bouncer acts the bollocks he gets a pat on the back from his buddies and the night goes on. A young person with drink taken has absolutely zero chance of being taken seriously by the Gardaí. I've seen this happen as a barman and as a club-goer.

The only ones who get "roughed up" are those that strongly resist the efforts of the bouncers to get them out of the place. They might think they are getting roughed up, but if they did what they were told there may not have been a necissity for the bouncers to use as much force.
As I said, been ejected any number of times (falling around in a mess more than anything else) - never been "roughed up". Seen guys start fights literally dragged out of the club, they probably had a few bruises as there was no way they were leaving "easily". That's not "acting the bollox" on the bouncers behalf in my book. That's doing your job.

Mr. Boo · 29-09-2012 11:09PM

I was back in Galway recently, visiting a once famous nightclub which is now some sort of giant beer garden. Myself and my two friends had drank two pints of porter each. On approaching the door, one of my friends was heard laughing out loud by the door crew. Kinda wirey bouncer goes "have you much drink taken?". My friend says, "nah we just had a couple of pints before this", and after some coaxing we were allowed in. I was last one through the doors and I just turned to the guy passing and said, "he's just in a good mood cause he submitted his thesis this afternoon", and he gets right in my face and says, "keep walking now if you want to go in". :pac:

This is my typical image of interactions with bouncers. They're not mostly dicks, but a lot of them are obsessed by control without squeaking out so much as an ounce of politeness.

Some other well known establishments in Galway have a policy about the type of characters they hire, and have a good name for having polite, professional and fair bouncers.

Melion · 29-09-2012 11:10PM

yore wrote: »

Not too good on the oul' maths eh?

The first part refers to Alan Ryan. Recently deceased at the end of a handgun. Allegedly head of the Real IRA and ran extortion rackets in Dublin. Also "controlled security" in a lot of pubs around the city.

The second point is your claim that you make more in a night than a lot of people do in a week. For that to be true, the premises that you are working for must be making enough money to pay you. If a pub/club has 70-80 customers and 8 staff it means they must make enough money from the 80 people to pay the wages of the 8 security staff for the night (forgetting about all the other staff costs). You'd have us believe that those 8 staff are getting paid a total greater than the equivalent of 8 weeks wages of a lot of people.

The club i work in has a capacity of 700 people

I dont know who Alan Ryan is, im not from Dublin.

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