Kissinger: Obama Will Create A New World Order

--Kaiser-- · 26-09-2012 03:59PM

The Bishop! wrote: »

Sweet. We got off on the wrong foot altogether. Apologies.

Likewise. Actually I see that Christopher Hitchens wrote a book excoriating the man (one of my heroes so definitely someone I'd listen to)

Jenners! · 26-09-2012 04:18PM

Tiny island which was invaded by Indonesia. Kissinger and Ford were on a good relations visit, and asked Indonesia not to invade the island until after they left, so as not to appear hypocritical. It became know as 'The Big Wink'.

East Timor had been granted the right to self govern. The UN and EU condemned the invasion by Indonesia. It was favourable for the US however for Eat Timor to be absolved into indonesia, due to the vast oil reserves that were, then, recently discovered. It lead to the genocide (200,000 people) of the indigenous, undefended East Timorese. Now one of the poorest nations in the world. It never recovered.

Just another example of Kissinger. Wherever his name appears (irrelevant of the, then or now, current U.S. president [ Nixon, Ford etc]) it is usually followed by undemocratic and ruthless policies, unfairly against a less defended nation.

hooradiation · 26-09-2012 04:28PM

Jenners! wrote: »

Just another example of Kissinger. Wherever his name appears (irrelevant of the, then or now, current U.S. president [ Nixon, Ford etc]) it is usually followed by undemocratic and ruthless policies, unfairly against a less defended nation.

This, along with the other thread calling inanimate objects "cowardly" is one of those weird instances where the person is trying so damn hard to make people feel as outraged as they do, they're reduced to throwing nonsensical adjectives into thing in hope of making an appeal to emotion.
The unfortunate conclusion being they either don't fully understand why they're angry about things, so they need to misuse words to attempt to manufacture those feelings in others, or they acknowledge their argument is weak but goddamn it, that's not important.

I mean, what the hell does "undemocratic" even bloody mean in this context?
That... there wasn't a plebiscite on matters of foreign policy? Is that what we're getting at here?

Words have meanings, goddamn it.

Jenners! · 26-09-2012 09:08PM

hooradiation wrote: »

This, along with the other thread calling inanimate objects "cowardly" is one of those weird instances where the person is trying so damn hard to make people feel as outraged as they do, they're reduced to throwing nonsensical adjectives into thing in hope of making an appeal to emotion.
The unfortunate conclusion being they either don't fully understand why they're angry about things, so they need to misuse words to attempt to manufacture those feelings in others, or they acknowledge their argument is weak but goddamn it, that's not important.

I mean, what the hell does "undemocratic" even bloody mean in this context?
That... there wasn't a plebiscite on matters of foreign policy? Is that what we're getting at here?

Words have meanings, goddamn it.

What does democratic mean? Then the 'un' prefix obviously means the opposite of the word democratic.

The point of linguistics, any language, is to speak/type with the least amount of necessary words to create context.

I didn't realise you would be needing foot notes for each statement in my point. Is that what your referring to??

I think you and suffering from self projection.
Re read my first comment in this thread. There is no emotional words used, or the word "cowardly" (despite your quotation marks..). When did I state I was outraged? Perhaps that is you..?

I wrote a 1000 word article on the topic, so instead of going into precise detail I used summary points. It was just another comment relation to earlier posts on Kissinger, as East Timor is less known I thought it worth mentioning, it's good to be informed.

What's your problem anyhow? Im sorry you don't have your own thought-provoking opinion on Kissingner, but making irrelevant comments to dissect my view doesn't change your situation.
Read for yourself perhaps. Do you need me to expand again? As in books, newspaper articles etc. Even message board comments.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 12:22AM

Ralph Nader calls Obama a 'war criminal'

Henry Kissinger is another well known "War Criminal"

So in effect this "New World Order" will be run by war criminals, am I correct?

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 09:20AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I could now safely say the one about the comparison of the rise of Obama to rise of Adolf Hitler is coming to fruit, the Antichrist bit will just be an extension

Um...Obama has already risen. How much further can he rise?

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 09:29AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Um...Obama has already risen. How much further can he rise?

Still a few more hurdles to go, the big one being the US election, something interesting should happen soon.

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 09:36AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Still a few more hurdles to go, the big one being the US election, something interesting should happen soon.

Why did he wait four years and risk another election campaign?

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 10:24AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Why did he wait four years and risk another election campaign?

He had no choice in the matter under the current US presidential system.

He will have to do some serious convincing to gain the same support as he did four years ago, this is why I suspect that he will pull a fast one.

It took Hitler 7 years in office before he turned into a total nasty.

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 10:27AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

He had no choice in the matter under the current US presidential system.

He will have to do some serious convincing to gain the same support as he did four years ago, this is why I suspect that he will pull a fast one.

It took Hitler 7 years in office before he turned into a total nasty.

Why did he have 'no choice'? He won the ultimate political power nearly 4 years ago. He stubbornly resists becoming the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ for all this time, then goes into another election, risking his position.

Why? Why did he have 'no choice'?

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 10:36AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Why did he have 'no choice'? He won the ultimate political power nearly 4 years ago. He stubbornly resists becoming the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ for all this time, then goes into another election, risking his position.

Why? Why did he have 'no choice'?

Four years is a very short time in politics to build up goodwill with such a large population.

JustinDee · 27-09-2012 10:40AM

Jenners! wrote: »

Tiny island which was invaded by Indonesia. Kissinger and Ford were on a good relations visit, and asked Indonesia not to invade the island until after they left, so as not to appear hypocritical. It became know as 'The Big Wink'.

East Timor had been granted the right to self govern. The UN and EU condemned the invasion by Indonesia. It was favourable for the US however for Eat Timor to be absolved into indonesia, due to the vast oil reserves that were, then, recently discovered. It lead to the genocide (200,000 people) of the indigenous, undefended East Timorese. Now one of the poorest nations in the world. It never recovered.

Just another example of Kissinger. Wherever his name appears (irrelevant of the, then or now, current U.S. president [ Nixon, Ford etc]) it is usually followed by undemocratic and ruthless policies, unfairly against a less defended nation.

Kissinger's duplicity aside, the above is an all-too-simplistic 'summary' of East Timor's history since the 1970s.
Firstly East Timor was still in the eyes of the UN as being under Portuguese remittance.
The UN and the seven or eight countries of the EEC (there was no such thing as the EU back then) objected to Indonesia's invasion. That was it. Nothing else.
Not until 1999, was East Timor's governance taken over by anyone but the Portuguese or Indonesians (I was there with ABC Radio at the time). Soeharto was propped up during his reign for being vehemently anti-communist hence his cedence in actions over Indonesia's direct neighbour. It is only since the demise of the Soviet Union and communism, that Soeharto's regime was fair game for critique and reaction. The Indonesian oil resource is state-owned and is used more by the country itself than sold abroad ie. they are what is known as 'net importers' ie again. that they buy more than they flog. You'll find that East Timor's oil resources have always been in the eye of Australia as you'd find in the decades of ocean-boundaries debate between the two.
East Timor's tribalism within its own borders is as much as problem as any inherent post-independence fallout you attribute to its current situation.

Your figure of 200,000 dead is also double the actual accepted figures following of which approx 20,000 were actual killings. This doesn't justify anything. I just prefer to see a better grasp of the story than one side of it.

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 10:46AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Four years is a very short time in politics to build up goodwill with such a large population.

So you think he is building up goodwill? Or has he been losing it for the last 4 years?

This theory isn't making sense.

Father Damo · 27-09-2012 12:21PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No, there is a lot of similarities as I have pointed out on numerous occasions, Both were born outside of their host countries

Obama was born in the US. Hitler in Austria. There is as much evidence to suggest that Obama was born in Kenya as there is to suggest he was born in Tallaght.

The two even look somewhat similar bar the moustache.

You have put some nonsense here in your time, but Hitler and Obama being lookalikes is the best yet :pac:

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 01:34PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So you think he is building up goodwill? Or has he been losing it for the last 4 years?

This theory isn't making sense.

you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.

Father Damo wrote: »

Obama was born in the US. Hitler in Austria. There is as much evidence to suggest that Obama was born in Kenya as there is to suggest he was born in Tallaght.

Even the Jews have doubts about Barack Obama's birth authenticity.

--Kaiser-- · 27-09-2012 01:48PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Even the Jews have doubts about Barack Obama's birth authenticity

What do you mean 'Even the Jews'? By this do you mean that all Jewish people doubt the authenticity of his birth cert? Because the site you linked was some Israeli website. It doesn't represent all Israelis and, furthermore, being Israeli doesn't mean being Jewish, and vice versa.

So less of your anti-Semitic bullcrap

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 01:50PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.

Yes, and the darkest hour is just before the dawn....?

But what has that got to do with the point I am making? Why did Obama not become the new Hitler Anti-Christ when he was riding a wave of popular support 4 years ago? Why did he risk going into a second election when he has been losing support for years?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Even the Jews have doubts about Barack Obama's birth authenticity.

Irrelevant.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 02:45PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yes, and the darkest hour is just before the dawn....?

But what has that got to do with the point I am making? Why did Obama not become the new Hitler Anti-Christ when he was riding a wave of popular support 4 years ago? Why did he risk going into a second election when he has been losing support for years?

If he did flake out in his early years of office he would have blown any goodwill he built up leading to those short years particularly on the international front.

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 02:50PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If he did flake out in his early years of office he would have blown any goodwill he built up leading to those short years particularly on the international front.

What does that have to do with anything? He hardly expects to keep 'international goodwill' as he becomes the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ, does he? Does the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ sound like someone who values 'goodwill'?? You have to admit, your argument is looking sillier and sillier.

So: for what logical reason did he not morph into the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ when he took supreme office on the back of mass public adulation nearly 4 years ago?

JustinDee · 27-09-2012 07:52PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Even the Jews have doubts about Barack Obama's birth authenticity.

Just pathetic. Seriously ignorant, ill-educated and pro-agendaic insulting sh**.
Reported.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 08:21PM

JustinDee wrote: »

Just pathetic. Seriously ignorant, ill-educated and pro-agendaic insulting sh**.
Reported.

Again.

Israeli Science Website: Former Netanyahu Adviser: Obama Birth Certificate Forged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwP6-4ec4e8

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 08:24PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything? He hardly expects to keep 'international goodwill' as he becomes the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ, does he? Does the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ sound like someone who values 'goodwill'?? You have to admit, your argument is looking sillier and sillier.

So: for what logical reason did he not morph into the Neo-Nazi Anti-Christ when he took supreme office on the back of mass public adulation nearly 4 years ago?

Any chance of addressing this less confrontational, strictly factual post RTDH?

As I've said before, if you abandon the CTs that fail to pass scrutiny, you are closer to the truth. Even if it's a boring truth that you don't like so much.

Corkfeen · 27-09-2012 08:32PM

Well, he has literally no reputation in academia(even plagiarism) and i'm finding nothing that backs up him being a Netanyahu advisor (Besides conspiracy sites promoting this segment). His story sounds like utter bull**** especially since the theory has been discredited numerous times. He subscribes to all conspiracy theories which doesn't make him remotely credible plus his lack of evidence.

I'm getting really sick of this extreme right wing racism and propaganda, he is not Kenyan and there is no evidence that he is Kenyan. He is an American citizen and has every right to be the president.

Run_to_da_hills · 27-09-2012 10:00PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Well, he has literally no reputation in academia(even plagiarism) and i'm finding nothing that backs up him being a Netanyahu advisor (Besides conspiracy sites promoting this segment). His story sounds like utter bull**** especially since the theory has been discredited numerous times. He subscribes to all conspiracy theories which doesn't make him remotely credible plus his lack of evidence.

I'm getting really sick of this extreme right wing racism and propaganda, he is not Kenyan and there is no evidence that he is Kenyan. He is an American citizen and has every right to be the president.

I can understand exactly why they (AKA Kissinger and his Zionist bed buddies) chose Obama for the task.

They can always pull the race card if there is the slightest criticism irrespective of what he dose to fu*k up America or the rest of the world.

Monty Burnz · 27-09-2012 10:03PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Any chance of addressing this less confrontational, strictly factual post RTDH?

As I've said before, if you abandon the CTs that fail to pass scrutiny, you are closer to the truth. Even if it's a boring truth that you don't like so much.

Still hoping that you will stop ignoring this...

Andy-Pandy · 27-09-2012 10:15PM

How can you believe this rubbish Run_to_da_hills? i feel sorry for you to have your life so completely caught up in this nonsensical gibberish.

Corkfeen · 27-09-2012 10:18PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I can understand exactly why they (AKA Kissinger and his Zionist bed buddies) chose Obama for the task.

They can always pull the race card if there is the slightest criticism irrespective of what he dose to fu*k up America or the rest of the world.

The birther movement consists of far right conservatives and down right evil individuals such as Joe Arpaio that you have referenced as a reliable source in the past, the man can't even investigate crimes and has a crap record yet uncovered such an elaborate scheme which isn't suspect in the slightest.... You didn't even address what I said because there is no evidence for your claims, why exactly do the groups that groups that propagate this theory choose to lie about the credentials of Corsi. It's just dishonest especially from people who are supposedly spreading the truth.

Why would someone put in an extremely elaborate scheme to put a kenyan as president. If it was the plotline of a film it would get panned because it's absurd and would require such a leap of faith, perhaps it will be the next Dan Brown book.

Edit: Just noticed Corsi is also claiming Obama is gay. Realistically, Corsi is a bigoted fool who's playing upon what homophobes, xenophobes and racists want to hear, particularly those in the tea party..... So far they've claimed he's gay, a muslim, antichrist and Kenyan who tend to be protestants actually. Next week they'll propose that he cross dresses at weekends and engages in animal sacrifices.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/obama-gay-rumors-chicago-jerome-corsi-_n_1877990.html

Run_to_da_hills · 28-09-2012 12:28AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

The birther movement consists of far right conservatives and down right evil individuals such as Joe Arpaio that you have referenced as a reliable source in the past, the man can't even investigate crimes and has a crap record yet uncovered such an elaborate scheme which isn't suspect in the slightest.... You didn't even address what I said because there is no evidence for your claims, why exactly do the groups that groups that propagate this theory choose to lie about the credentials of Corsi. It's just dishonest especially from people who are supposedly spreading the truth.

Why would someone put in an extremely elaborate scheme to put a kenyan as president. If it was the plotline of a film it would get panned because it's absurd and would require such a leap of faith, perhaps it will be the next Dan Brown book.

Edit: Just noticed Corsi is also claiming Obama is gay. Realistically, Corsi is a bigoted fool who's playing upon what homophobes, xenophobes and racists want to hear, particularly those in the tea party..... So far they've claimed he's gay, a muslim, antichrist and Kenyan who tend to be protestants actually. Next week they'll propose that he cross dresses at weekends and engages in animal sacrifices.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/obama-gay-rumors-chicago-jerome-corsi-_n_1877990.html

Personally the whole damn lot of them are the same whether its Zionist supporting Romney or Joe Biden.

I have serious distrust issues with Obama and had him well sussed out five years ago and this was before there was any wind of his controversial EO's AKA The indefinite internment of US Citizens without trial and his ability to take control of all resources even private property in a the state of emergency, and the killing of without trial

I couldn't give two sh*ts whether he was black, Gay or Muslim.

The fact that he is turning the US into a total police state and having it on the brink of martial law, I do have issues with.

His international policy is just as diabolical. He is without a doubt a War criminal just like his predecessor George Bush and also Tony Blair, the only difference is that Obama is slimy while the other two were blatant.

To Summarise, Obama's "Change" is: Killing without trial and spying without a warrant

Bigus · 28-09-2012 12:36AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Personally the whole damn lot of them are the same whether its Zionist supporting Romney or Joe Biden.

I have serious distrust issues with Obama and had him well sussed out five years ago[/URL]

You had him sussed out as what ?

Please expand for us , that didn't cop on to what he was up to ! ASAP thanks

Corkfeen · 28-09-2012 12:40AM

So pretend the credibility of the birthers isn't suspect.......... Rightyo.

Kissinger: Obama Will Create A New World Order

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