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Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 492 ✭✭Jellicoe


    What is it about Gay issues, that it has to be a race to the bottom all the time ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....in fairness, they had been ripping the arse out of it.


    I don't know about others but I sure will miss them and not just for the unintended humour they provided.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Jellicoe wrote: »
    What is it about Gay issues, that it has to be a race to the bottom all the time ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭Sycopat


    If two consenting cousins want to get married why shouldn't they be allowed to?

    Cousins can marry. It's not a prohibited degree of relationship.

    Ref:
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/legal_prerequisites_for_marriage.html

    Most people know that it used to be a lot more common and socially acceptable than it is now, but a lot of people seem to gloss over that the 18th/19th centuries weren't actually that long ago.

    I know your point is that stopping consenting adults from getting married is silly, and I agree, but the fact is that aside from the opposite sex bit there are very few barriers to the marriage of two consenting adults, even in Ireland.

    Which just makes the gender requirement stand out as even more bizarrely arbitrary in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Sin City


    Sycopat wrote: »
    Cousins can marry. It's not a prohibited degree of relationship.

    Ref:
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/legal_prerequisites_for_marriage.html

    Most people know that it used to be a lot more common and socially acceptable than it is now, but a lot of people seem to gloss over that the 18th/19th centuries weren't actually that long ago.

    I know your point is that stopping consenting adults from getting married is silly, and I agree, but the fact is that aside from the opposite sex bit there are very few barriers to the marriage of two consenting adults, even in Ireland.

    Which just makes the gender requirement stand out as even more bizarrely arbitrary in my opinion.

    Happens on Emerdale all the time (The mrs has it on)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 492 ✭✭Jellicoe


    Sycopat wrote: »
    Cousins can marry. It's not a prohibited degree of relationship.

    Ref:
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/legal_prerequisites_for_marriage.html

    Most people know that it used to be a lot more common and socially acceptable than it is now, but a lot of people seem to gloss over that the 18th/19th centuries weren't actually that long ago.

    I know your point is that stopping consenting adults from getting married is silly, and I agree, but the fact is that aside from the opposite sex bit there are very few barriers to the marriage of two consenting adults, even in Ireland.

    Which just makes the gender requirement stand out as even more bizarrely arbitrary in my opinion.

    Hopefully the rights are also extended to brother and sister soon as well, I know of one couple in particular who would like this equal right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,270 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Jellicoe wrote: »
    Hopefully the rights are also extended to brother and sister soon as well, I know of one couple in particular who would like this equal right.

    Sure you do :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 492 ✭✭Jellicoe


    Stark wrote: »
    Sure you do :rolleyes:

    Sure you don't :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 hotjock


    Again why the hang up on the marriage thing. Surely the issue is with whom should have appropriate relationships and be appropriate parents. There are laws that prevent sexual relations between family members and between adults and children. These laws apply whether people are married or not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    hotjock wrote: »
    Again why the hang up on the marriage thing. Surely the issue is with whom should have appropriate relationships and be appropriate parents. There are laws that prevent sexual relations between family members and between adults and children. These laws apply whether people are married or not.

    What has sexual relations between family members or between adults and children got to do with anything?

    There are over 1100 posts in this thread, if you still don't know why there's a "hang up on the marriage thing" then you should probably go back to page 1 and start again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 hotjock


    What has sexual relations between family members or between adults and children got to do with anything?

    There are over 1100 posts in this thread, if you still don't know why there's a "hang up on the marriage thing" then you should probably go back to page 1 and start again.

    Some people on here seem to be suggesting that if Gay marriage is allowed, why not allow marriage within families or between 58 year olds and 13 year olds (I believe were the number quoted). My point is that the law already takes care of this.

    My point in relation to the Hang up on the marriage thing is that in my opinion this issue is being looked at the wrong way around. Marriage is sanctioned by the state (who keep the register of marriages) and who treat people differently depending on whether they are married or not. This position is from a time where life long marriage was the norm. It no longer is. So the State should withdraw from legislating about marriage - leave people make a commitment to each other, leave them share property ownership etc. if that is their choice. But stop trying to make laws which cannot accommodate the realities of they myriad of domestic situations that exist in the modern world.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    paddyandy wrote: »
    Women make far better Mothers as any Widower can tell you .

    Thanks paddyandy, I nearly spat my beer out at that one! You really are a ticket


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Sin City


    I dont agree that ginger people should be allowed get married

    Gingers are sinful people who God cursed and made their hair the same colour as the Devils skin.

    God cursed this people and made their skin so sensitive that even the sun will harm them

    In short ginger people have no souls and so to give them the same rights as everyone else makes a mockery of everything us "Normal" people stand for


    Giving them the right to marry is wrong and a direct insult to God

    Allowing them to have kids either naturally or adopted is just plain wrong, they will either produce gingers or they could turn normal kids ginger.


    Ginger kids will be bullied in school

    Kids of ginger parents will also be bullied in school



    God hates gingers and so we as a community must demonise and exile them based on that one trait, no matter how good or useful that ginger is to soceity.

    They chose to be ginger so we can choose them to be riducled and have their rights taken away from them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 492 ✭✭Jellicoe


    Sin City wrote: »
    I dont agree that ginger people should be allowed get married

    Gingers are sinful people who God cursed and made their hair the same colour as the Devils skin.

    God cursed this people and made their skin so sensitive that even the sun will harm them

    In short ginger people have no souls and so to give them the same rights as everyone else makes a mockery of everything us "Normal" people stand for


    Giving them the right to marry is wrong and a direct insult to God

    Allowing them to have kids either naturally or adopted is just plain wrong, they will either produce gingers or they could turn normal kids ginger.


    Ginger kids will be bullied in school

    Kids of ginger parents will also be bullied in school



    God hates gingers and so we as a community must demonise and exile them based on that one trait, no matter how good or useful that ginger is to soceity.

    They chose to be ginger so we can choose them to be riducled and have their rights taken away from them

    Sounds very english, they invented the anti red head thing when being anti irish became more difficult. Most ironic of all are Irish people who have picked it up from english 'wit' shows on tv and now use it without knowing where it came from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Sin City


    Jellicoe wrote: »
    Sounds very english, they invented the anti red head thing when being anti irish became more difficult. Most ironic of all are Irish people who have picked it up from english 'wit' shows on tv and now use it without knowing where it came from.
    next you'll be claiming that the greeks invented homosexuality.

    as a proud non ginger I believe it is my duty to strip them of any rights and dehumanise them as instruments of the.devil


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Sin City wrote: »
    next you'll be claiming that the greeks invented homosexuality.

    as a proud non ginger I believe it is my duty to strip them of any rights and dehumanise them as instruments of the.devil

    I've no problems with the gingers, but I wish they'd stop flaunting it and shoving it in our faces. I mean, it should enough that we put up with them, but they want to be out and proud about it as well!

    That said, I don't think they are instruments of the devil. That honour belongs to the left handies. They are just abnormal!! Being left handed is just NOT natural!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    That said, I don't think they are instruments of the devil. That honour belongs to the left handies. They are just abnormal!! Being left handed is just NOT natural!

    You only say that because righties all feel guilty about **** with the left hand to pretend it's someone else.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    That said, I don't think they are instruments of the devil. That honour belongs to the left handies. They are just abnormal!! Being left handed is just NOT natural!

    :(

    okay...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Sin City wrote: »
    I dont agree that ginger people should be allowed get married

    Gingers are sinful people who God cursed and made their hair the same colour as the Devils skin.

    God cursed this people and made their skin so sensitive that even the sun will harm them

    In short ginger people have no souls and so to give them the same rights as everyone else makes a mockery of everything us "Normal" people stand for


    Giving them the right to marry is wrong and a direct insult to God

    Allowing them to have kids either naturally or adopted is just plain wrong, they will either produce gingers or they could turn normal kids ginger.


    Ginger kids will be bullied in school

    Kids of ginger parents will also be bullied in school



    God hates gingers and so we as a community must demonise and exile them based on that one trait, no matter how good or useful that ginger is to soceity.

    They chose to be ginger so we can choose them to be riducled and have their rights taken away from them

    Speaking as a closet ginger, I agree with this a little too loudly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Being left handed and gay- the Krazy Kristians love me! If I was ginger I'd have the full house- but I'm not!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    efb wrote: »
    Being left handed and gay- the Krazy Kristians love me! If I was ginger I'd have the full house- but I'm not!

    Gay marry a ginger and have him/her put the ring on the wrong hand. That'll get them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Nodin wrote: »
    Gay marry a ginger and have him/her put the ring on the wrong hand. That'll get them.

    That Gary lad from Corrie!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    efb wrote: »
    That Gary lad from Corrie!!!!

    I had to google it, but yes, he will do nicely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    paddyandy wrote: »
    Men are not emotionally equipped for child nurturing and rearing
    paddyandy's been sitebanned, so he's unlikely to see this post.

    But still, here's one graphic designer dad who's gone a bit further than most for his kid:

    http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/toy-train-space-video-607922-Sep2012/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    robindch wrote: »
    paddyandy's been sitebanned, so he's unlikely to see this post.

    But still, here's one graphic designer dad who's gone a bit further than most for his kid:

    http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/toy-train-space-video-607922-Sep2012/


    The face animation is absolute genius. :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Austin, Texas votes unanimously to endorse marriage equality

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/27/austin-becomes-first-texas-city-to-endorse-marriage-equality/
    RawStory wrote:
    The Austin City Council made history Thursday, becoming the first group of city leaders in the deeply conservative state of Texas to endorse marriage equality.

    The council’s strongly worded resolution (PDF) condemning the Defense of Marriage Act, the nation’s ban on same sex marriage, was supported by a diverse coalition of civil rights groups, including Equality Texas, the NAACP, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, the Anti-Defamation League and the Human Rights Campaign.

    The resolution was also backed by a petition signed by more than 1,800 people living in and around the Austin metro area. It passed by unanimous vote shortly after 11 a.m. central, which happened to coincide with events in Washington, D.C. promoting National Gay Men’s HIV/AIDS Awareness Day.

    “I’m very happy that I live in a community that continues to demonstrate that it respects the equality and the value of all of its residents,” Chuck Smith, interim director of Equality Texas, told Raw Story. “It is consistent with the principles and policies of the City of Austin to ensure that everyone who lives here is treated fairly.”

    The resolution says in no uncertain terms that the Austin City Council will no longer abide discriminatory practices that deny the “powerful and important affirmation of love and commitment” that is civil marriage. ”BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN,” the resolution concludes. “[We] support marriage equality in the State of Texas.”

    Though Austin is a liberal stronghold that’s unique among Texas cities, even in the dark red areas of the map there have been signs of changing attitudes in the lone star state. Although voters passed a constitutional amendment in 2005 banning same sex marriage, an openly gay man nearly won a race for Dallas mayor just two years later, and his sexual orientation didn’t even come up as a campaign issue.

    Voters in Houston also didn’t seem to think it was an issue in 2009 when they elected their first openly lesbian mayor. Additionally, five Texas mayors — from San Antonio, Galveston, Kyle, Austin and Shavano Park — signed a marriage equality petition created by the group Freedom to Marry. The mayor of El Paso, similarly, risked his political career earlier this year to vocally support health benefits for unmarried domestic partners.

    “Texas is not different than the rest of the country in terms of its evolution on the freedom to marry,” Smith said. “The initial pushback we get from opponents is, ‘We settled this in 2005, what don’t you understand?’ And the reality is that 2012 is not the same as 2005. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who have had some sort of personal evolution on this issue… who now recognize that the world is not going to end and [equal rights] will not affect their relationship.”


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Ratzinger implies that gay men and women are not fully "developed":

    http://www.care2.com/causes/pope-decides-gay-people-arent-fully-developed-humans.html
    Care2 wrote:
    Pope Benedict XVI told French Bishops recently that they must do everything they can to resist gay marriage as it “threatens” society, going on to imply that gay people aren’t fully developed humans.

    The Pope’s comments were made during a September 21 speech at Castel Gandolfo, whereby he reportedly told his assembled religious brethren that “The family is threatened in many places by a faulty conception of human nature.” Some translations have him saying the word “defective,” in fact. The Pope went on to say that he believes ”Marriage and the family are institutions that must be promoted and defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature, since whatever is injurious to them is injurious to society itself.”

    This, apparently, in direct reference to France’s recently elected socialist government’s plans to introduce and make law same-sex marriage. Given that French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault’s party controls parliament, it seems likely this legislation will pass. The Pope, attempting to answer the inevitable charge that the Vatican is on the wrong side of history, played the God’s judgment card when he said that this view was “not at all backward-looking but prophetic.”

    Perhaps most startling of his remarks on gay marriage and secularization was his saying the Church must “promote those values that permit the full development of the human person.” We can infer from this that the Pope has decided that all gay people — in fact, all people who don’t adhere to the Vatican’s interpretation of moral values — are “less than” fully developed humans.

    As has become standard, the Pope also took time to lob a verbal grenade at the growing move toward secularism. He encouraged more outreach to the young in order to engage, and called for a “creative response” to secularization. While many have condemned the Pope for this latest diatribe, one in a long line of attacks on gay people and progressive values as a whole, it has been pop megastar Lady Gaga who has perhaps been the most blunt.

    Gaga, herself a person with religious beliefs, said in a Sunday interview with Europe 1 that ”What the pope thinks of being gay does not matter. It doesn’t matter to the world. It matters to the people who like the pope and follow the pope. It’s not a reflection of all Christians. It is not a reflection of all religious people. It’s a point of view of one person.”

    She ended that particular remark with an empowering message to her gay audience, saying: “And to all the gay people here. May you live and love each other until the end of time. And I hope you will have the human right to breed as an entirely equal, valuable and special member of society.” Lady Gaga, who last year set up the Born This Way foundation to help bullied children, with a particular nod to her LGBT fan base, has been an outspoken advocate for gay rights, including twice having recorded videos to urge on the public in the fight to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

    Pope Benedict has previously called on other once strongly Catholic nations to rally and turn back the clock on marriage equality. In January he received staunch criticism for saying that gay marriages “threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    robindch wrote: »
    Ratzinger implies that gay men and women are not fully "developed":

    http://www.care2.com/causes/pope-decides-gay-people-arent-fully-developed-humans.html

    And people wonder why Enda was watching the match on his phone when this guy was rambling on?


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