The Real Barack Obama?

He's the worst socialist, Marxist Kenyan Muslim I've ever seen.

So are Romney Ryan proposing no tax for anyone?
Like Romney now?

This is devastating. A taped open conversation from the last century in which he damningly says:

What that means then is that as we try to resuscitate this notion that we’re all in this thing together, leave nobody behind, we do have to be innovative and thinking what are the delivery systems that are actually effective and meet people where they live. And my suggestion, I guess would be that the trick, and this is one of the few areas where I think there are technical issues that have to be dealt with as opposed to just political issues. I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure everybody’s got a shot.

He ain't gonna recover from this one.

fair play for throwing some digs back : )

But I've found that most politicians on the left in my lifetime from anywhere including France, Spain, certainly the US and Ireland... none of them are true socialists as we were taught in school history. They just don't believe in pure unadulterated capitalism... Obama is the same. In my view, if you believe in pure 'free market no reigns' 'rich deserve to be rich' and 'all will be fine if we just trust the market' capitalism, as if the market itself has any intention on trying to maintain a balanced society, then there's something wrong with your brain because it is not in my view an innately human ideal, you may disagree and think life is dog eat dog end of that's your 'right'.

Extreme positions are rarely supportable... neocons, far right people, extreme far left people... there's a reason why these positions are called 'extreme'... it's because those positions are counter productive to the greater good which although we don't generally, as people, spend our whole time working for - we DO tend to care to some degree for, that's called moderation and that's what most 'lefty' people want - a free market, sure.. but don't trust the market to serve society completely.. it won't... it's not freakin sensient!!
The market allows situations to arise which are counter to the greater good of society sometimes and visa versa and it is in my view one of governments responsibilities to react to negative market forces which produce very negative situations such as massive monopolies and massive divergence of wealth between segments of society... but not in an extreme socialist sort of way although I may be incorrectly labeled so by blinder wearing far rightish people.. but in a moderate and intelligent way that maintains some consideration to the greater good of society.

There never has been pure socialism (each attempt has been corrupt to its core from day one!) OR pure capitalism (because people get pissed off from day one!) and there never will be. They are just ideals and they would never work (as per failed communist experiment if we want to label USSR as that to some degree). You may HATE hand outs but I HATE the 'rich boys club!' that doesn't make you a capitalist pig nor me a pure socialist... it makes me a quasi centristy can't be pigeon holed very easily complicated fukcer as most of us in fact are... and as most of the politicians we love and hate are... including Obama and Romney (counter to some extreme descriptions which suited me in other situations he is not in fact Satan himself)

This whole thing, modern civilization is a big experiment of sorts... far right and far left don't work - we've tried that. Obama is no pure socialist and Romney as hard as he tried to seem like it is not actually scrooge himself... he's just some rich dude acting like 'some rich dude' acts.

Amerika wrote: »

I would somewhat agree as I was a liberal in my younger, more naive days (shock, horror). That's why the 60 minutes interview is so daming... becasue that was only a few years back. So either Obama was lying, or perhaps he did too many drugs as a youth to remember what he thought as a State Senator 10 years earlier.

What's amusing is what politicians believe rarely ends up becoming policy once they're elected.

The GOP likes to make it seem like voting for Obama will make the sky overcast with black clouds and lightening and suddenly everyone will be on the soup line, working for the same $7.25 whether they be burger flipper or rocket scientist.

In reality the view is more akin to using government policy to instigate the "trickle down" that the GOP touts so much. Oh yes, let the rich hoard their wealth. It will trickle down. Eventually. When they're done playing the flash trading game.

Jon Stewart's very good monologue on this week of politics

Chaos on Bull**** Mountain

Amerika wrote: »

Sure looks like that "level" is Income.

And it didn't take long for my side to come out with an ad, showing him to also be a liar... with a December 2011 60 Minutes interview where Obama denied that his policies had anything to do with redistribution at all.

I see they also continue to double down on the "you didn't build that" line.

Here again, is the full quote:

Obama wrote:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build [roads and bridges]. Somebody else made that happen.

Amerika wrote: »

I don't believe it to be misconstrued at all.

And curious... Does that type of thinking also apply to the missing two minutes from the Romney video which is currently all the rage?

So post the two minutes.

Amerika wrote: »

Hmmm… I post an audio of Barack Obama in his own words. And note that his comments have some of the tenets of Marxism and Socialism. You tell me, is that Fact, Fiction or Propaganda? If anything other than Fact, please explain to my why?

In his own words, as you say.