Mrs. J. Christ

Gee Bag · 19-09-2012 11:11AM #1

He's not the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy............

A Harvard University professor has unveiled a fourth century fragment of papyrus she said is the only existing ancient text quoting Jesus explicitly referring to having a wife.
Karen King, an expert in the history of Christianity, said the text contains a dialogue in which Jesus refers to “my wife”, whom he identifies as Mary. Ms King said the fragment of Coptic script is a copy of a gospel, probably written in Greek in the second century.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0919/breaking16.html

gobnaitolunacy · 19-09-2012 11:17AM

If I'm late home again tonight, she'll fcuking crucify me.

seamus · 19-09-2012 11:19AM

I thought it was pretty much taken for granted at this point that Mary Magdalene was at least Jesus's lover and that the new testament of the bible is a heavily edited version of primarily fictional work?

Beruthiel · 19-09-2012 11:21AM

seamus wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much taken for granted at this point that Mary Magdalene was at least Jesus's lover

I thought so too.

kfallon · 19-09-2012 11:22AM

seamus wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much taken for granted at this point that Mary Magdalene was at least Jesus's lover and that the new testament of the bible is a heavily edited version of primarily fictional work?

Maybe the full translation was, "Jaysus if my wife finds out I'm shagging Mary Magdalene she'll cut my cock off!!!"

Ghandee · 19-09-2012 11:25AM

Possibly didn't want to disclose having a wife for fear of being hammered with tax?

Beruthiel · 19-09-2012 11:27AM

kfallon wrote: »

Maybe the full translation was, "Jaysus if my wife finds out I'm shagging Mary Magdalene she'll cut my cock off!!!"

Suddenly I have a pic of Jesus in my head with Barry White music going in the background.
Jesus, you dawg!

Duckworth_Luas · 19-09-2012 11:27AM

seamus wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much taken for granted at this point that Mary Magdalene was at least Jesus's lover and that the new testament of the bible is a heavily edited version of primarily fictional work?

No, The Da Vinci Code was rubbish!

gobnaitolunacy · 19-09-2012 11:28AM

Mary Magdalene was a groupie I thought.

Wibbs · 19-09-2012 11:30AM

seamus wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much taken for granted at this point that Mary Magdalene was at least Jesus's lover and that the new testament of the bible is a heavily edited version of primarily fictional work?

Not really. It's been conjecture, populist conjecture a la Dan Brown and those before him but thats about it(kinda like the confusion over her being a hooker. She wasn't). This document at least adds to the picture at least for 2nd century thinkers(possibly). On the fiction aspect, sure there's shed loads of clearly fantastical stuff, though when the various versions were written down there were people alive who knew him so it's possible, if not likely that the general bones of the story has weight.

Biggins · 19-09-2012 11:30AM

http://www.thejournal.ie/jesus-married-wife-harvard-600374-Sep2012/

Professor Karen King of the Harvard Divinity School revealed the existence of the papyrus at a major international conference on Coptic studies at the Vatican in Rome.
She says that the fragment does not provide definitive proof that Jesus was married, which many Christians disagree about, but reopens the debate over whether he was or not.
Jesus identifies his wife as “Mary” in the tiny fragment. “The disciples discuss whether Mary is worthy, and Jesus states that “she can be my disciple,” said King.
“Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married, even though no reliable historical evidence exists to support that claim,” she said.

JohnMarston · 19-09-2012 11:37AM

Somewhere Dan Brown is laughing his ass off

Rabidlamb · 19-09-2012 11:37AM

seamus wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much taken for granted at this point that Mary Magdalene was at least Jesus's lover and that the new testament of the bible is a heavily edited version of primarily fictional work?

Beruthiel wrote: »

I thought so too.

Me 3, is it not just one of these things where the early church tried to sublimate the role of women.
Everyone knows she was the missus, give the church 2-300 years & they'll change their doctrine to suit.

Myrddin · 19-09-2012 11:39AM

Since when does written word denote fact? Imagine a fragment of some tabloid rag from today, is found in about two thousand years...

Biggins · 19-09-2012 11:40AM

JohnMarston wrote: »

Somewhere Dan Brown is laughing his ass off

...And working on a new sequel!

squod · 19-09-2012 11:41AM

Many people were called Jesus.

Christ's given name, commonly Romanized as Yeshua, was quite common in first-century Galilee. (Jesus comes from the transliteration of Yeshua into Greek and then English.) Archaeologists have unearthed the tombs of 71 Yeshuas from the period of Jesus' death. The name also appears 30 times in the Old Testament in reference to four separate characters—including a descendent of Aaron who helped to distribute offerings of grain (2 Chronicles 31:15) and a man who accompanied former captives of Nebuchadnezzar back to Jerusalem (Ezra 2:2)

Gee Bag · 19-09-2012 11:44AM

squod wrote: »

Many people were called Jesus.

And the best one of all.................

Biggins · 19-09-2012 11:44AM

squod wrote: »

Many people were called Jesus.

Was his name Jesus though - or was it Yeshua or Yehoshua?

racso1975 · 19-09-2012 11:48AM

Or yoshhi

squod · 19-09-2012 11:51AM

Biggins wrote: »

Was his name Jesus though - or was it Yeshua or Yehoshua?

I'd imagine it was Jesus. Either way, some other scientician might find a fragment of some other bluddy thing to base some story on next week. 'till then, adieu.

Biggins · 19-09-2012 11:52AM

Biggins wrote: »

Was his name Jesus though - or was it Yeshua or Yehoshua?

racso1975 wrote: »

Or yoshhi

Or Yahweh?

I'd like to know what was the actual real name that was used by his parents.
Not the translation - his real name, as it was pronounced.

squod wrote: »

I'd imagine it was Jesus. Either way, some other scientician might find a fragment of some other bluddy thing to base some story on next week. 'till then, adieu.

I believe (and I'm open to be quite wrong on this) "Jesus" might be in fact just a translation into English of his real name.

ScumLord · 19-09-2012 11:53AM

given the time period it's more likely Jesus had a wife as it would be extremely weird for someone not to be married back then. I've heard people say that the church erased his family to make him seem more divine and less of an ordinary man.

Biggins · 19-09-2012 11:58AM

ScumLord wrote: »

given the time period it's more likely Jesus had a wife as it would be extremely weird for someone not to be married back then. I've heard people say that the church erased his family to make him seem more divine and less of an ordinary man.

Heard/read that too.

I'm not saying it was done but people have indeed tried erasing others from history.
Egyptian history is full of this alone. All is possible.

Plazaman · 19-09-2012 11:58AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

...."my wife" whom he referred to as Mary....

Ghandee wrote: »

Possibly didn't want to disclose having a wife for fear of being hammered with tax?

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

If I'm late home again tonight, she'll fcuking crucify me.

The wife is called Mary.

She'd bate him if he was home late.

Fear of being crippled by taxes.

:eek: Jesus was Irish !!! (Quick get Brendan Gleeson to play him in the upcoming film)

kfallon · 19-09-2012 12:02PM

ScumLord wrote: »

given the time period it's more likely Jesus had a wife as it would be extremely weird for someone not to be married back then. I've heard people say that the church erased his family to make him seem more divine and less of an ordinary man.

He had a wife and 2 kids. Had a decent job as a carpenter and was a 40-a-day man. Liked a pint and a bet on the nags but was a hoor for the women. Popular fella tho cos at the end of the night all he needed was a potato and a packet of fish fingers (he often got them off Mary Magdalene

) and everyone went home with a battered cod and a single.

Gee Bag · 19-09-2012 12:03PM

Biggins wrote: »

Or Yahweh?

I'd like to know what was the actual real name that was used by his parents.
Not the translation - his real name, as it was pronounced.

I believe (and I'm open to be quite wrong on this) "Jesus" might be in fact just a translation into English of his real name.

Yahweh was one of the Jewish names for name of God. It wasn't even meant to be said aloud. Defo not to be used as a first name.

Jesus is a transliteration of Yeshua from Aramhaic to Greek, then Greek to Latin and from Latin to English.

Would have been handier for everyone if he was just called Dave.

sbsquarepants · 19-09-2012 12:04PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Possibly didn't want to disclose having a wife for fear of being hammered with tax?

Nah, mary was claiming the lone parents, medical card, rent allowance, the lot. He would have lost a fortune if he declared it!

gobnaitolunacy · 19-09-2012 12:09PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Yahweh was one of the Jewish names for name of God. It wasn't even meant to be said aloud. Jesus is a transliteration of Yeshua from Aramhaic to Greek, then Greek to Latin and from Latin to English.

Would have been handier from everyone if he was just called Dave.

The deity known as 'God' was YHWH a shortened version of 'I am that I am' (the reply Moses got when he asked what God's name was in the desert)
They stuck in vowels so you could say it...even though it wasn't meant to be said. Twould be risking a stoning (not the good kind of stoning)

IvySlayer · 19-09-2012 12:23PM

Dan Brown didn't invent Mary Magdalene, she's mentioned in at least 4 different Gospels!

Pherekydes · 19-09-2012 12:25PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

He's not the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy...

Such an infantile post. Married men are not "very naughty". Not by dint of being married, anyway.

Lapin · 19-09-2012 12:32PM

Jesus, Mary, Mary and Joseph.

Mrs. J. Christ

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