Changing Nationality

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:15PM #1

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and just can't get my head round it.

Why are people so eager to change their nationality, and why is it even allowed?

A good friend of mine is from Romania, he's been living here 10yrs and earlier this year he became an Irish Citizen, i still class him as Romanian and always will.

On The Late Late Show last night were 4 Nigerian Ladies who have been living in Galway for 10yrs, last week they all became Irish Citizens.

Surely citizenship is 1 thing that should remain the same from the day you're born to the day you die.

I'm Welsh, been living here for 7yrs and would never dream of desserting my nationality because something better came along.

If you're born in a country then that country is your nationality.

What happens, say 10yrs in the future, if Ireland is already more fcuked than it is now, we've defaulted countless times on the debt, been thrown out of the euro and unemployment is hitting 40%, Will these 'New' Citizens jump ship and move along to the next up and coming country??

What are your views?

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 08-09-2012 10:16PM

"I'm American, but I'm Irish because my great great great grandparents were from Ireland" :rolleyes:

IM0 · 08-09-2012 10:17PM

benefits to it

IrishAm · 08-09-2012 10:18PM

Preaching to the choir with me on this one, bud.

Sappa · 08-09-2012 10:18PM

Because it entitled them to a goodie bag of social services and a ticket for their family to come on board.

The Big Red Button · 08-09-2012 10:19PM

But that's gaining citizenship, not changing nationality?

To the best of my knowledge, you cannot change your nationality!

IrishAm · 08-09-2012 10:20PM

scudzilla wrote: »

On The Late Late Show last night were 4 Nigerian Ladies who have been living in Galway for 10yrs, last week they all became Irish Citizens.

Did the lanky string of piss, Ryan Tubridy, ask them why they wanted to become Irish citizens or how they ended up here?

cml387 · 08-09-2012 10:20PM

Given that you have no choice as to where you're born it seems a bit unfair to be stuck with the country you were born in.

Especially if you're Welsh.

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:21PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Did the lanky string of piss, Ryan Tubridy, ask them why they wanted to become Irish citizens or how they ended up here?

Yeah, he did, answer "We came to see The Guinness Factory"!!!!

Mint Sauce · 08-09-2012 10:21PM

What about dual nationality/citizenship then OP? Maybe some of these people have claimed this.

oppenheimer1 · 08-09-2012 10:21PM

I would assume people want citizenship of the country they live in to access the services their taxes have helped pay for.

They might also want to be able to vote to influence the policies of politicians.

SocSocPol · 08-09-2012 10:22PM

scudzilla wrote: »

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and just can't get my head round it.

Why are people so eager to change their nationality, and why is it even allowed?

A good friend of mine is from Romania, he's been living here 10yrs and earlier this year he became an Irish Citizen, i still class him as Romanian and always will.

On The Late Late Show last night were 4 Nigerian Ladies who have been living in Galway for 10yrs, last week they all became Irish Citizens.

Surely citizenship is 1 thing that should remain the same from the day you're born to the day you die.

I'm Welsh, been living here for 7yrs and would never dream of desserting my nationality because something better came along.

If you're born in a country then that country is your nationality.

What happens, say 10yrs in the future, if Ireland is already more fcuked than it is now, we've defaulted countless times on the debt, been thrown out of the euro and unemployment is hitting 40%, Will these 'New' Citizens jump ship and move along to the next up and coming country??

What are your views?

My view is that your thinking is a wonderful expression of parochial smallmindedness. Indeed few published observations on ignorance and coloninial mindset such as yours have ever been made public, you sir, in a a sentence, are a stunning example of why the welsh should never be trusted with either autonomy or independence.

Jhcx · 08-09-2012 10:22PM

I am a citizen of the world. Not to mention for Somethings u need to be a citizen . Or well for me I do.

syklops · 08-09-2012 10:23PM

Mis-leading thread title. Citizenship is not the same as Nationality.

Look it up.

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:23PM

cml387 wrote: »

Given that you have no choice as to where you're born it seems a bit unfair to be stuck with the country you were born in.

Especially if you're Welsh.

Yeah I'm Welsh, and i'll stay Welsh, that's what i was born as and that's what i'll die as, be it unfair or not. But no way in hell am i gonna go to another country and choose to become one of there citizens just because it's a bit better than Wales.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 10:24PM

Citizenship is a legal status in a political institution such as a city or a state. The relationship between a citizen and the institution that confers this status is formal, and in contemporary liberal-democratic models includes both a set of rights that the citizen possesses by virtue of this relationship, and a set of obligations or duties that they owe to that institution and their fellow citizens in return.
Nationality, on the other hand, denotes informal membership in or identification with a particular nation (which is not a synonym for country or state).[1] While nationality is sometimes conferred as a legal status (see below), it and nations are properly understood as social categories, characterised by at least a common language, culture and territory, and sometimes also by a common religious faith and a purportedly shared ancestry.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=difference%20between%20citizenship%20and%20nationality%20&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3ACitizenship_and_nationality&ei=ObdLULiuK4aFhQeh-oCQCw&usg=AFQjCNFwvRagEDFHcVxQgq8Ol_20cKIdJw

Might help.

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:25PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

My view is that your thinking is a wonderful expression of parochial smallmindedness. Indeed few published observations on ignorance and coloninial mindset such as yours have ever been made public, you sir, in a a sentence, are a stunning example of why the welsh should never be trusted with either autonomy or independence.

I was merely asking why people would ditch there own nationality just because something better has come along, get over it

IrishAm · 08-09-2012 10:25PM

scudzilla wrote: »

Yeah, he did, answer "We came to see The Guinness Factory"!!!!

Il have a look at it on the RTE player. How far in approx?

syklops · 08-09-2012 10:27PM

scudzilla wrote: »

Yeah I'm Welsh, and i'll stay Welsh, that's what i was born as and that's what i'll die as, be it unfair or not. But no way in hell am i gonna go to another country and choose to become one of there citizens just because it's a bit better than Wales.

Thats great. As a welshman you can probably stay here as long as you like unless Irelands relationship with Great Britain changes significantly. The chances of you being deported are unlikely. The chances of you being deported increase substantially if you are say Romanian or Nigerian.

Also, nationality and citizenship are different things. You can be Romanian and have Irish citizenship but still be called Romanian.

RachaelVO · 08-09-2012 10:27PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Preaching to the choir with me on this one, bud.

Me too. I'm married to a Dutch guy, living in dutchland, and I'd NEVER give up my Irish Passport. Wny would I want to? Although it's kinda different, I'm an EU citizen living in another EU country. There are benefits to giving up an outside EU nationality to get that wine coloured document!

cml387 · 08-09-2012 10:28PM

scudzilla wrote: »

I was merely asking why people would ditch there own nationality just because something better has come along, get over it

I've always like Men Of Harlech as a tune mind you.

SharpshooterTom · 08-09-2012 10:29PM

scudzilla wrote: »

If you're born in a country then that country is your nationality.

Absolute utter bollox. Thats one of the most small minded comments you can get, so simple yet nationality is not so straight forward as that.

I'm sorry but somebody born abroad and left there when they were 1, does not constitute as "their" nationality.

Are Ronan O'Gara and Jamie Heaslip American and Israeli respectively and not Irish? Please answer I would be interested to hear your opinion on this.

Ardennes1944 · 08-09-2012 10:30PM

i wish i was born in Germany

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:30PM

There's a guy i work with, He's from Pakistan, he married a Latvian woman 4yrs ago and has been in Ireland ever since, he doesn't live with her, yet has just applied for Irish Citizenship!!! All because he married an EU member!

cml387 · 08-09-2012 10:31PM

scudzilla wrote: »

There's a guy i work with, He's from Pakistan, he married a Latvian woman 4yrs ago and has been in Ireland ever since, he doesn't live with her, yet has just applied for Irish Citizenship!!! All because he married an EU member!

I'm sorry old bean we're beginning to see a trend here.

syklops · 08-09-2012 10:32PM

scudzilla wrote: »

There's a guy i work with, He's from Pakistan, he married a Latvian woman 4yrs ago and has been in Ireland ever since, he doesn't live with her, yet has just applied for Irish Citizenship!!! All because he married an EU member!

After 5 years in Ireland you can apply for Irish Citizenship.

Please learn the difference between citizenship and nationality. You're starting to make yourself look silly.

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:33PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Il have a look at it on the RTE player. How far in approx?

1hr 3mins

Sappa · 08-09-2012 10:33PM

scudzilla wrote: »

There's a guy i work with, He's from Pakistan, he married a Latvian woman 4yrs ago and has been in Ireland ever since, he doesn't live with her, yet has just applied for Irish Citizenship!!! All because he married an EU member!

Sham marriage,thousands of them in the last 10yrs.

scudzilla · 08-09-2012 10:34PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Absolute utter bollox. Thats one of the most small minded comments you can get, so simple yet nationality is not so straight forward as that.

I'm sorry but somebody born abroad and left there when they were 1, does not constitute as "their" nationality.

Are Ronan O'Gara and Jamie Heaslip American and Israeli respectively and not Irish? Please answer I would be interested to hear your opinion on this.

Are there parents Irish? Sure they could get away with being classed as Irish then

syklops · 08-09-2012 10:37PM

Sure they could get away with being classed as Irish then

I give up.

dirtyghettokid · 08-09-2012 10:38PM

i was born and reared in canada. i've lived in ireland for 14 years. i've had irish citizenship for the last ten years. i hold dual citizenship, but i'll always consider myself canadian. it's easier to have dual citizenship, than to just keep remaining here as a permanent resident, renewing those stamps every year.

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