Clare Daly resigns from Socialist Party, the beginning of the end for the SP ?

SaoriseBiker · 01-09-2012 11:27AM #1

I think she was the SP's best speaker, Higgins is juvenile most of the time with the same continual rhetoric and cannot put a coherent policy together except denouncing the " capitialist gambling speculators " etc A big blow to the SP, the SP are blaming it on her connection to Mick Wallace

So what is her and the SP's future ? I think she would do ok as an independent, the SP will continue to exist but only with one or two seats to eventual oblivion like the Workers Party back in the 80's.

http://socialistparty.net/component/content/article/3-newsflash/1030-clare-daly-resigns-from-the-socialist-party

Bits_n_Bobs · 01-09-2012 11:35AM

"You have a failed ideology, you have the most hopeless policy that I ever heard pursued by any nitwit," Mr Ahern said.

Bertie managed to get one thing right. A failed 'ology persued by nitwit zealots destined for a long and hopefully occasionally amusing death.

Daly and Wallace deserve each other and their respective hypocrisies.

Nonoperational · 01-09-2012 11:40AM

God that's a dream team anyway. Daly and Wallace. Christ.

FrontStorm · 01-09-2012 11:41AM

They never began in the first place!

It never managed to blossom beyond a beard-fest of pseudo-Marxists guffawing and congratulating each other on their subsidised newsletter attacking the capitalist system.

NIMAN · 01-09-2012 11:48AM

Pity she wouldn't resign from politics altogether.

SaoriseBiker · 01-09-2012 11:49AM

FrontStorm wrote: »

They never began in the first place!

It never managed to blossom beyond a beard-fest of pseudo-Marxists guffawing and congratulating each other on their subsidised newsletter attacking the capitalist system.

A bit like the Workers Party which included FF and FG supporter Eoghan Harris !!!!

SaoriseBiker · 01-09-2012 11:53AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Pity she wouldn't resign from politics altogether.

In fairness to her, I don't think she's a bad speaker, best the SP had, although that wouldn't be hard.

Fenian Army · 01-09-2012 11:57AM

I suspect she was "asked to resign"

I agree with a lot of the SP's statement, you can't act like an independent when you are not. Refusing to engage with the party, follow its line or endorse statements is not on. I understand this has been going on for quite a while, and in light of this the use of the fiscal treaty to raise the profile of their MEP (Quite successfully imo) makes perfect sense.

She is far too cozy with the tax cheat, including being seen having expensive lunches with him in top restaurants numerous times as well as the things outlined in the statement.

I think the spotlight and platform went to her head.

SerialComplaint · 01-09-2012 12:00PM

Ah the traditional split, omnipresent in Irish left circles.

southsiderosie · 01-09-2012 12:02PM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

"You have a failed ideology, you have the most hopeless policy that I ever heard pursued by any nitwit," Mr Ahern said.

Bertie managed to get one thing right. A failed 'ology persued by nitwit zealots destined for a long and hopefully occasionally amusing death.

Daly and Wallace deserve each other and their respective hypocrisies.

Is this Bertie "The Last Mohican Socialist in Ireland" Ahern you are speaking of?

Hypocrisy indeed.

later12 · 01-09-2012 12:35PM

I have a big problem with the established socialist movement in Ireland ; not necessarily to their ideology, which they are entitled to cling to, but rather the way in which they alienate enterprise and mainstream society with pretty wacky economic, fiscal and social policy proposals that are not necessarily in keeping with or required of Marxist philosophy. Using the word "Militant" in their title for many years wasn't helping their appeal either.

I'd question their seriousness as political activists, and would dearly love to see Daly form a political party capable of responsible, adult and coherent discourse on how we ought to define our economy and society using the socialist model. Daly has been a surprisingly strong and reasonable politician in her contributions to debate since entering office, so here's hoping.

yore · 01-09-2012 01:50PM

later12 wrote: »

I have a big problem with the established socialist movement in Ireland ; not necessarily to their ideology, which they are entitled to cling to, but rather the way in which they alienate enterprise and mainstream society with pretty wacky economic, fiscal and social policy proposals that are not necessarily in keeping with or required of Marxist philosophy. Using the word "Militant" in their title for many years wasn't helping their appeal either.

I'd question their seriousness as political activists, and would dearly love to see Daly form a political party capable of responsible, adult and coherent discourse on how we ought to define our economy and society using the socialist model. Daly has been a surprisingly strong and reasonable politician in her contributions to debate since entering office, so here's hoping.

I guess that's subjective. She always came across like a petulent child to me!

hatrickpatrick · 01-09-2012 01:54PM

*sigh*
I am irresistibly reminded of the Judean People's Front once again. That entire scene could very easily have been a direct parody of the Irish left.

This hugely saddens me, as a supporter of socially left wing policies, who the hell else is there to vote for? And is there anyone you can vote for in terms of socially left politics without getting the economic borderline-marxism thrown in as well?

Fenian Army · 01-09-2012 01:56PM

later12 wrote: »

I have a big problem with the established socialist movement in Ireland ; not necessarily to their ideology, which they are entitled to cling to, but rather the way in which they alienate enterprise and mainstream society with pretty wacky economic, fiscal and social policy proposals that are not necessarily in keeping with or required of Marxist philosophy. Using the word "Militant" in their title for many years wasn't helping their appeal either.

I'd question their seriousness as political activists, and would dearly love to see Daly form a political party capable of responsible, adult and coherent discourse on how we ought to define our economy and society using the socialist model. Daly has been a surprisingly strong and reasonable politician in her contributions to debate since entering office, so here's hoping.

Is that a disguised call for a party with "socialist lite" politics?

tayto lover · 01-09-2012 02:01PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Pity she wouldn't resign from politics altogether.

She's quite good at pointing out the deficiencies in F.G. policies in fairness.

shoddy14 · 01-09-2012 02:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

She's quite good at pointing out the deficiencies in F.G. policies in fairness.

Down with this sort of thing!! Young fine gael are being brainwashed wby their predeccesors

mikemac1 · 01-09-2012 02:04PM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

"You have a failed ideology, you have the most hopeless policy that I ever heard pursued by any nitwit," Mr Ahern said.

Bertie managed to get one thing right. A failed 'ology persued by nitwit zealots destined for a long and hopefully occasionally amusing death.

Sure Bertie was a socialist too

edit: southsiderosie has it above ^^^

Dave! · 01-09-2012 02:08PM

I've found Daly to be one of the more coherent and articulate of our new left-leaning friends in the Dáil. Hopefully in the next election goons like Ming Flanagan and Mick Wallace get booted out, but Daly stays in as an Independent. Decent voice to have (symbolically - her actual voice grates me)

yore · 01-09-2012 02:09PM

tayto lover wrote: »

She's quite good at pointing out the deficiencies in F.G. policies in fairness.

Ah sure look. Any eejit can point out deficiencies. The difficult, and "value add" part is the suggestion and implementation of a better solution.

mikemac1 · 01-09-2012 02:10PM

Dave! wrote: »

Decent voice to have (symbolically - her actual voice grates me)

For someone from Kildare she has become more Dub then the Dubs themselves

later12 · 01-09-2012 02:12PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Is that a disguised call for a party with "socialist lite" politics?

Not from my viewpoint, but it could be interpreted as such.

I'm not asking them to become social democrats or cast their oar in with the Labour party, just for a realisation that legitimate Marxist doctrine doesn't have to be characterised by lunatic fringe.

yore · 01-09-2012 02:15PM

Dave! wrote: »

I've found Daly to be one of the more coherent and articulate of our new left-leaning friends in the Dáil. Hopefully in the next election goons like Ming Flanagan and Mick Wallace get booted out, but Daly stays in as an Independent. Decent voice to have (symbolically - her actual voice grates me)

Wallace is a crook. Flanagan may be a goon, but he's the people of Roscommon's goon and I have to respect that. Local politics is the system. Daly is supposed to represent Nth. Co Dublin. She thinks she represents the whole island. It's ironic now that she doesn't have her "nationwide" party platform!

later12 · 01-09-2012 02:23PM

Your triumvirate of political buzzwords to accompany "goon" and "crook" would have been gloriously complete if you had only admonished Claire Daly to get back to her "parish pump".

yore · 01-09-2012 02:26PM

later12 wrote: »

Your triumvirate of political buzzwords to accompany "goon" and "crook" would have been gloriously complete if you had only admonished Claire Daly to get back to her "parish pump".

.........I thought that was implicit in what I said...Flanagan at least does his "job". She doesn't

GSF · 01-09-2012 02:51PM

Dave! wrote: »

I've found Daly to be one of the more coherent and articulate of our new left-leaning friends in the Dáil.

Yes pro Vat fraud and anti property tax. Doesnt say much for the rest if she is the most coherent.

Toby Take a Bow · 01-09-2012 03:09PM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

"You have a failed ideology, you have the most hopeless policy that I ever heard pursued by any nitwit," Mr Ahern said.

Bertie managed to get one thing right. A failed 'ology persued by nitwit zealots destined for a long and hopefully occasionally amusing death.

Daly and Wallace deserve each other and their respective hypocrisies.

Really? Since he said that they managed to significantly increase their vote.

Interesting that you don't notice the hypocrisy of Bertie Ahern talking about failed ideologies pursued by nitwits.

jank · 01-09-2012 04:35PM

So what will her platform be now? Cheating on your tax's is OK?

Min · 01-09-2012 05:18PM

Clare Daly, I just feel like laughing :pac:

She has nothing to offer, just higher budget deficits because she supports tax fraud and people not paying what they are suppose to pay.

Pity we have to pay for such people.

Silvio.Dante · 01-09-2012 06:55PM

OK I'm going to ask the question.

Are Daly and Wallace 'having it off'..?

I have no time for Daly's abortionist line but she is a performer of note...

Dubhlinner · 01-09-2012 06:56PM

Big loss to the socialist party. Joe Higgins been a very disappointing performer whereas she has been strong.

later12 · 01-09-2012 07:05PM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

OK I'm going to ask the question.

Are Daly and Wallace 'having it off'..?

That's none of our business, but this sort of tattle has been a consistent and not very tactfully employed allusion in a lot of media reporting, yes; particularly in the Indo which felt it necessary to cover Mick Wallce's sex life in some considerable detail over the Summer. Didn't half put me off my chips.

Anyway, if it has any relevance at all - and that is extremely tenuous - it does raise some questions about what on Earth the Socialist Party are up to. Perhaps they see fit to pass judgement on whom their representatives have personal relationship with. The Wallace saga is dying down. I can't imagine why it should still have been troubling the Socialist Party moreso than it was last june.

Clare Daly resigns from Socialist Party, the beginning of the end for the SP ?

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