Name and Shame Job Bridge

ABajaninCork · 21-08-2012 10:35AM

Yeah, thanks for that. I really hope so, but at least I'm getting interview practice if nothing else!

Mrs OBumble · 21-08-2012 12:57PM

Sup08 wrote: »

Question 20 here

You must assign a mentor to the intern for the duration of the internship, to
provide the following:
 ongoing support
 to be a point of contact for the intern throughout the internship
 provide an induction
 ensure the opportunity to learn/apply skills in the workplace described
below is available to the intern
 they may also provide formal mentoring (see Toolkit on
(www.jobbridge.ie)
In organisations where a formal mentoring system exists, interns should be
included in this process

That section is all about mentoring.

There is a significant difference between mentoring and training - google it if you don't understand.

A boss who is available, and says "Do x, y and z, and also see skillnet for a course in w so that you get some formal training in too" is providing mentoring. And provided x, y and z involve practising skills that you've learned previously, they are also " ensur[ing] the opportunity to learn/apply skills"

Sup08 · 21-08-2012 01:01PM

JustMary wrote: »

That section is all about mentoring.

There is a significant difference between mentoring and training - google it if you don't understand.

A boss who is available, and says "Do x, y and z, and also see skillnet for a course in w so that you get some formal training in too" is providing mentoring. And provided x, y and z involve practising skills that you've learned previously, they are also " ensur[ing] the opportunity to learn/apply skills"

I googled it for you. you should try it!!:D

Mentorship is a personal developmental relationship in which a more experienced or more knowledgeable person helps to guide a less experienced or less knowledgeable person. However, true mentoring is more than just answering occasional questions or providing ad hoc help. It is about an ongoing relationship of learning, dialog, and challenge.

Training is the acquisition of knowledge, skills, and competencies as a result of the teaching of vocational or practical skills and knowledge that relate to specific useful competencies. Training has specific goals of improving one's capability, capacity, and performance. It forms the core of apprenticeships and provides the backbone of content at institutes of technology (also known as technical colleges or polytechnics). In addition to the basic training required for a trade, occupation or profession, observers of the labor-market[who?] recognize as of 2008 the need to continue training beyond initial qualifications: to maintain, upgrade and update skills throughout working life. People within many professions and occupations may refer to this sort of training as professional development.

JohnMarston · 22-08-2012 10:54AM

JustMary wrote: »

That section is all about mentoring.

There is a significant difference between mentoring and training - google it if you don't understand.

A boss who is available, and says "Do x, y and z, and also see skillnet for a course in w so that you get some formal training in too" is providing mentoring. And provided x, y and z involve practising skills that you've learned previously, they are also " ensur[ing] the opportunity to learn/apply skills"

They're doing nothing on your behalf to provide mentoring. I can use the local skillnet regardless if i'm working there or not.

maker · 24-08-2012 05:59PM

I just finished my 6 month Jobbridge internship and learned very little. I meant most of the time doing a project that they wanted doing and could have done before I started. I was fed up for the last 3 months but kept hoping it would improve and also didn't want a problem with the social welfare if I left. Also two months into my internship I had an interview with the company. I didnt expect to get the job as I only been there a short time but I think I should have been told I didn't before they are sending an internal email which I received introducing the person who got the job I had applied for.

Mrs OBumble · 25-08-2012 09:31AM

JohnMarston wrote: »

They're doing nothing on your behalf to provide mentoring. I can use the local skillnet regardless if i'm working there or not.

Of course you can - but that's not the point.

The JobBridge rules, based on the quote you provided, say that the employer has to provide mentoring, not training.

Mentoring is the act of your boss suggesting the Skillnet to you - and suggesting particular relevant courses, and suggesting tasks or introducing you to people who might help you make use of them.

Training is the act of doing the course.

Most short courses are 9/10th of useless, unless you apply the knowledge and skills they cover almost immediately.

Sup08 · 25-08-2012 09:55AM

JustMary wrote: »

JohnMarston wrote: »

They're doing nothing on your behalf to provide mentoring. I can use the local skillnet regardless if i'm working there or not.

Of course you can - but that's not the point.

The JobBridge rules, based on the quote you provided, say that the employer has to provide mentoring, not training.

Mentoring is the act of your boss suggesting the Skillnet to you - and suggesting particular relevant courses, and suggesting tasks or introducing you to people who might help you make use of them.

Training is the act of doing the course.

Most short courses are 9/10th of useless, unless you apply the knowledge and skills they cover almost immediately.

So that's like giving a 17 year old a truck to drive after passing the driver theory test because they know the rules of the road.

After completing a course, experience comes with further in house training.

JohnMarston · 26-08-2012 11:47PM

JustMary wrote: »

Of course you can - but that's not the point.

The JobBridge rules, based on the quote you provided, say that the employer has to provide mentoring, not training.

Mentoring is the act of your boss suggesting the Skillnet to you - and suggesting particular relevant courses, and suggesting tasks or introducing you to people who might help you make use of them.

Training is the act of doing the course.

Most short courses are 9/10th of useless, unless you apply the knowledge and skills they cover almost immediately.

If that's the case my boss can just tick the box under Mentoring provided. My work so far has not been impacted by the skillnet courses i have done.

road_high · 27-08-2012 10:00AM

maker wrote: »

I just finished my 6 month Jobbridge internship and learned very little. I meant most of the time doing a project that they wanted doing and could have done before I started. I was fed up for the last 3 months but kept hoping it would improve and also didn't want a problem with the social welfare if I left. Also two months into my internship I had an interview with the company. I didnt expect to get the job as I only been there a short time but I think I should have been told I didn't before they are sending an internal email which I received introducing the person who got the job I had applied for.

I can appreciate it was demoralising working for nothing but you really got to make the most of your efforts. You surely learned something and lots you haven't even thought about?
I think going into your next interview with a negative vibe and saying you learned nothing will do you few favours. Sell the skills you have developed and the fact you worked for free shows great initiative and get up and go.

pintsandbanter · 30-08-2012 08:03PM

I'm currently working in an organisation when the owner has a couple of companies and has hired interns under the pretence that they're spread across them, while in fact they're all working in just one. There is 11 people working in the office, with 10 of them on some form of social welfare. 4 are on the jobsbridge scheme. One is signing on full time and working 'on commission' under the table. Staff are expected to work 12 hour days and a meeting was called yesterday announcing the working week will now include Saturday. It's an absolute joke and I noticed on FAS today, another ad has gone up for the company for yet another Jobsbridge intern. So much for the system doing checks on companies to prevent abuse! Contemplating reporting the whole thing, but it's a hard decision when you have no other opportunity lined up.

CatFromHue · 31-08-2012 01:23AM

pintsandbanter wrote: »

I'm currently working in an organisation when the owner has a couple of companies and has hired interns under the pretence that they're spread across them, while in fact they're all working in just one. There is 11 people working in the office, with 10 of them on some form of social welfare. 4 are on the jobsbridge scheme. One is signing on full time and working 'on commission' under the table. Staff are expected to work 12 hour days and a meeting was called yesterday announcing the working week will now include Saturday. It's an absolute joke and I noticed on FAS today, another ad has gone up for the company for yet another Jobsbridge intern. So much for the system doing checks on companies to prevent abuse! Contemplating reporting the whole thing, but it's a hard decision when you have no other opportunity lined up.

What do you have to gain by staying or lose by leaving?

bellasolis · 31-08-2012 11:00AM

Ok, Im a qualified Architectural Tech so forgive me if my info isn't 100% on the different stages of becoming a certified Architect but, am I correct in thinking that a Part 2 Architect has their degree plus 2 years of professional practice and a Part 3 has the previous mentioned along with a further professional exam??? And if so then why the heck are those educational requirements coming up AGAIN on an internship when the architects obviously have a couple of years experience already!!!

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DGqB6c9/GxkdK+isDrwiOIvbs9KQjJNHt2A+mHSjcackoy9vhj6hIj5vald+9oGD8rYOPOeqiddzPp/xJTPw4kC4l9sam3NbjDEqvHKWyojPTfRSlWEb9BGACiG+N37IYuY/ET7agZyi2yB/5PqjQX+Znmhrc5Y09FNjPuyFBzF1/ZWgmnynvJtYBCGrlAu/uz4NATa2UqvjPtAxFXqBadqxiOmNV1Xnb0Gx9s+zjiFdoT1RSrLk3h5y2MVplO/RjflNVioVjDllYvs2abdp+W47BSd0tXJUhX73vrSpXFsi2LCAAnfr/Sf40z/+wBVgJc73Oszww+dBblgm8gH5ijgTyY4eDmTsFZ3pISpZQ21Sdvn9q3cdnVIooXCooeh46s+5x6ykjT3C06R19uHr5NMn2TKFkUtiJh0W6Sn8P5liQVuLoMTxVdQ=

RacoonQueen · 31-08-2012 11:17AM

pintsandbanter wrote: »

I'm currently working in an organisation when the owner has a couple of companies and has hired interns under the pretence that they're spread across them, while in fact they're all working in just one. There is 11 people working in the office, with 10 of them on some form of social welfare. 4 are on the jobsbridge scheme. One is signing on full time and working 'on commission' under the table. Staff are expected to work 12 hour days and a meeting was called yesterday announcing the working week will now include Saturday. It's an absolute joke and I noticed on FAS today, another ad has gone up for the company for yet another Jobsbridge intern. So much for the system doing checks on companies to prevent abuse! Contemplating reporting the whole thing, but it's a hard decision when you have no other opportunity lined up.

Woah, they're meant to have a certain number of staff before taking on any more than one intern. Breaking all the rules there. Report them, they will not hire you full time anyway based on this.

Sup08 · 31-08-2012 12:54PM

bellasolis wrote: »

Ok, Im a qualified Architectural Tech so forgive me if my info isn't 100% on the different stages of becoming a certified Architect but, am I correct in thinking that a Part 2 Architect has their degree plus 2 years of professional practice and a Part 3 has the previous mentioned along with a further professional exam??? And if so then why the heck are those educational requirements coming up AGAIN on an internship when the architects obviously have a couple of years experience already!!!

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DGqB6c9/GxkdK+isDrwiOIvbs9KQjJNHt2A+mHSjcackoy9vhj6hIj5vald+9oGD8rYOPOeqiddzPp/xJTPw4kC4l9sam3NbjDEqvHKWyojPTfRSlWEb9BGACiG+N37IYuY/ET7agZyi2yB/5PqjQX+Znmhrc5Y09FNjPuyFBzF1/ZWgmnynvJtYBCGrlAu/uz4NATa2UqvjPtAxFXqBadqxiOmNV1Xnb0Gx9s+zjiFdoT1RSrLk3h5y2MVplO/RjflNVioVjDllYvs2abdp+W47BSd0tXJUhX73vrSpXFsi2LCAAnfr/Sf40z/+wBVgJc73Oszww+dBblgm8gH5ijgTyY4eDmTsFZ3pISpZQ21Sdvn9q3cdnVIooXCooeh46s+5x6ykjT3C06R19uHr5NMn2TKFkUtiJh0W6Sn8P5liQVuLoMTxVdQ=

If you know this as fact, you should report this to Jobsbridge and FAS.

Sup08 · 31-08-2012 12:56PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Woah, they're meant to have a certain number of staff before taking on any more than one intern. Breaking all the rules there. Report them, they will not hire you full time anyway based on this.

^^Agree
100% , you will not gain employment from a company like this in the end. I hope you gain some experience but they need to be stopped.

rachaelf750 · 05-09-2012 10:43AM

This is a terrible example of how jobsbridge is being exploited,futhermore it is a job that many men would be able to do in the morning,thus in my opinion jobsbridge is a job blocker !!!

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DHSEVAxUqjc4UuciNcL2UThCn+qQ8VxBpC/h9rZCVnQLWLwnGpKxJBYXCR4oTH6bTiBxWIpqLyptalGG6+lGo3aTfMfJInprctQE4D8vRytQhgBvVYXhV6D7XJRJYITJfzwXrPGbLEJkIBxCdrrVCaT7AW+JIcmUX5zE+PD86UiXMqwiQC8XfDJJoxx2TFVrOHZbCSRP1CbXMg7E1IBBYJEBiZ/CCc321rH6MQlVfwqqEqwjMG4Y9L7ie8g3kRZqGHx0lQbYFJcXatYXXzt8P9l0AQICTnJQqcP1YzyTuvl7SBNO4rTezuhokKORyJphapS23FW4M6MjJNBb8wxXg6paNg8jPl9gwi2ly2/oWIZ2UA1KpuezBRT0JJ0djSHZClPhQFE07VOtOQnXDW0UtU7Eloe3KUKT072cj9RuQ52s

marnieb · 05-09-2012 01:17PM

Yes the only jobs that seem to appear on fas.ie now are jobbridge or some type of sales such as door to door type jobs. I have also seen jobbridge working in a pub, and deli counter, I didn't think this was what they had in mind when these jobbridge schemes were launched. Also many look for several years experience in the field so where does the bridge part come in. There will never be jobs created by the companys that employ job bridge interns, why would they pay someone when they can get someone with experience for nothing

JohnMarston · 05-09-2012 01:30PM

marnieb wrote: »

There will never be jobs created by the companys that employ job bridge interns, why would they pay someone when they can get someone with experience for nothing

Thats another thing, experience in the given sector you would be applying for in the internship should never be a pre-requisite. Fair enough, you should have leaving cert and the competency and enthusiasm to follow through on the internship, but thats it. Training and mentoring to carry out the job with a view to acual employment.

sorrow95 · 05-09-2012 07:07PM

I'm unemployed for 4 months now and was called into FAS a month ago for the to confirm that I am looking for work. They told me about the job bridge scheme while I was there. I am not interested in it as I know someone who had an extremely bad experience from it. I did play along and say I might be interested as I didnt want it to seem like I didnt want to work. I have received a letter from FAS today to tell me about a job bridge internship coming up in my area. Do I have to apply for it - will I get penalised in anyway if I dont?

starlit · 05-09-2012 07:20PM

Apply for it and see what happens, knowing FAS they might check up on you? Could you go to a professional job coach or recruiter in your area that might help you?

NakedNNettles · 05-09-2012 10:01PM

mfitzy wrote: »

the fact you worked for free shows great initiative and get up and go.

Ease up on the cliches there mfitzy.

To provide a bit of balance a less scrupulous employer might see the word 'pushover' across one's forehead.

yore · 08-09-2012 10:35PM

sorrow95 wrote: »

I'm unemployed for 4 months now and was called into FAS a month ago for the to confirm that I am looking for work. They told me about the job bridge scheme while I was there. I am not interested in it as I know someone who had an extremely bad experience from it. I did play along and say I might be interested as I didnt want it to seem like I didnt want to work. I have received a letter from FAS today to tell me about a job bridge internship coming up in my area. Do I have to apply for it - will I get penalised in anyway if I dont?

I don't know if you will, but to be honest, if it's in "your area" and you need the experience, you should be penalised for not taking it!

wylo · 09-09-2012 12:38PM

NakedNNettles wrote: »

mfitzy wrote: »

the fact you worked for free shows great initiative and get up and go.

Ease up on the cliches there mfitzy.

To provide a bit of balance a less scrupulous employer might see the word 'pushover' across one's forehead.

I'd hardly call that balance, i would find it absolutely shocking if any employer anywhere had any notion like that, especially in current times where people will do whatever they can to get experience.

micromary · 17-09-2012 09:02AM

I am unemployed 6 months but to be honest I have spent a lot of that time trying to open up my own coffee shop after receiving redundancy. I eventually after writing a business plan, going thru all the steps etc decided against thru legal problems encountered in opening up but also thru lack of experience. When I thought long and hard about it I have never had experience of working in a coffee shop so opening up and it not going right would have meant been in a complete unknown situation, cash-flow probs and money down the drain.

I worked in finance. I have started again with interviews starting last week but I would like to get back into catering and tourism which I did a long time ago and which I am interested in (unlike finance which is just a job to me)

I have a jobbridge interview with Failte Ireland today. I will be asking what I am going to learn but also if there is any longterm perspective to the job in question (after the 9 months) because if I dont feel there is then there is no point joining up in my opinion. Secondly I have a jobbridge interview in a coffee shop on Wed. Again I will be asking to gain experience here so I can start up my own business. I think with Jobbridge you have to ensure that it will be something u are interested in and that will stand for u in the future, otherwise there is no point in applying.

micromary · 19-09-2012 12:37PM

I had my mtg with Failte Ireland. To be honest it was a waste of time. I was told that there were no prospects but it was just a job to keep u going. I don't know if anybody else has had a feeling when they go to these interviews that they are being put down. I was asked the question "well why bother joining us when u can sit down and enjoy the dole. Sure ur bus/train will only cover the extra €50. There was other questions asked that made me out to be lazy. At the end I will not be touching this with a bargepole regardless if there is a extra interview as the interviewer said. .

ABajaninCork · 19-09-2012 12:49PM

So sorry you had a bad experience. I've had the same sort of interviews too, even with well-established companies.

It's very hard not to be cynical about the process, but faced with the sort of experience you and other have had and the quality of the vast majority of the 'internships' on offer, how can you not?

micromary · 19-09-2012 01:10PM

Thx for that. Maybe they were looking for a reaction to see if I would lose the plot or something. I just kept my cool even though at one stage I advised the job centre sent me because I was so rattled by the line of questioning that I could not think of anything else to say! Also I am stunned to think there would be a 2nd interview. Even a lot of paying companies don't have a 2nd interivew. If they were anyway organised they shud have had a telephone interview to see if I was anyway the right person followed maybe by a face to face interview. It wud have not wasted anybodies time.

Del007 · 23-09-2012 07:28PM

I recently finished the 9 months internship. The company were actually taking people on and I applied for a job. They gave me an interview but I never got the job, supposedly I wasn't enthusiastic enough which is the feedback I received.

Total bull if you ask me and the people who they took on had less experience than me....

starlit · 23-09-2012 08:30PM

Del007 wrote: »

I recently finished the 9 months internship. The company were actually taking people on and I applied for a job. They gave me an interview but I never got the job, supposedly I wasn't enthusiastic enough which is the feedback I received.

Total bull if you ask me and the people who they took on had less experience than me....

Sorry to hear that, shame they do that at all. Keep applying for other jobs. Best of luck.

micromary · 24-09-2012 08:20AM

Yep. Best of luck Del. Sorry to hear this. Sounds like they thought, well the 9 months are up, therefore no more cheap labour and we will hire more Jobbridge candidates before hiring you again on a paid contract.

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