Jews refuse to shop at ‘Hitler’ store in India

Fuinseog · 29-08-2012 07:53PM

Lars1916 wrote: »

I have to bring some stuff to the Swastika Laundry, back in 5 minutes...oh, wait, they are closed, are they?

they were up and running in 1913 long before Adi and teh boys came on the scene.

there is also the Celtic version of the swastika. an ancient symbol and politically correct Germans want it forbidden EU wide. Good luck with that. I think demonising such symbols only makes them more popular.

Fuinseog · 29-08-2012 07:59PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Bull****. How can anyone not have known about WW2, the Nazi's and Hitler?

its not such a big deal for some people. in galway we have no probs naming a street after Viki the famine queen. it will be a while before they have a hitler street in Tel aviv. the jews have to get over themselves just like we cannot harp on about the baastard black and tans for the rest of time.

allanb49 · 29-08-2012 08:01PM

"In the city of Mahatma Gandhi and non-violence, how can anyone celebrate a person like Hitler who is known to have murdered millions of unarmed ordinary civilians?

http://www.mymao.ie/restaurant

And no one bats at eye at this in Dundrum :P

Fuinseog · 29-08-2012 08:02PM

allanb49 wrote: »

"In the city of Mahatma Gandhi and non-violence, how can anyone celebrate a person like Hitler who is known to have murdered millions of unarmed ordinary civilians?

http://www.mymao.ie/restaurant

And no one bats at eye at this in Dundrum :P

commies are cool and apparently did no harm unlike those nasty nazis.

Whippersnapper · 29-08-2012 08:04PM

allanb49 wrote: »

"In the city of Mahatma Gandhi and non-violence, how can anyone celebrate a person like Hitler who is known to have murdered millions of unarmed ordinary civilians?

http://www.mymao.ie/restaurant

And no one bats at eye at this in Dundrum :P

Mao means cat. If Hitler meant Cloud or something I doubt this thread would exist.

MadsL · 29-08-2012 08:06PM

There is a cafe a couple of hours away from me in Mountainair, NM.

There was a Native American use of the swastika too...the building has it built into the facade.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparkys_pics/425316801/lightbox/

I also know of an Irish bar in Prague that claims to be Cuban-Irish. The bar was built as an Irish bar, but the idiots who commissioned it hadn't yet come up with the full money. The Scottish builder said "right you have a week to pay me or the lease on the bar and the furnishings are mine, always fancied a bar". They failed to get the money so he said "I'm opening my bar" They said "you can't open an Irish bar that's our idea" He says "I'm not, it's a Cuban bar"

Opening night.

Unveil name

O'Che's

Troll level: Master.

Wibbs · 29-08-2012 08:23PM

blatantrereg wrote: »

Hugo Boss designed the Nazi uniforms. It was founded and managed by Nazis, and used forced labour and POWs during Hitler's regime. No-one minds.

True enough. People drive beemers and volkswagens and mercs and audi's and they were all involved in wartime output. Shít the beemer logo is a stylised propellor*. Kodak and Volkswagen used slave labour like hugo boss.

One of the biggest dodgy areas of WW2 is the Austrian corporal couldn't have gotten off the ground and built his little regime without huge support from the German industrial complex(one of the biggest in the world at the time) and it's expertise and financing. They also were among the first to expel Jews from positions of power within the companies from shop floor supervisers up.

The real crime is how very very few of those guys ever came to trial and how even fewer were punished for it. Indeed quite a number just reset after the war and continued happily on with support from the allies, with the notable and laudable exception(in this case) of the Russians.

Not just German companies either Next time you consider buying an IBM product consider this. Bosch Seimens take the biscuit mind you. During the war they used slave labour, even helped in designing a couple of gas chambers and what do they do back in 2002? Register a trademark to label a rip off of Mr Dysons cyclone vacuum cleaners. What's German for cyclone? Zyklon. Yep the same name as the gas used to kill people. Fcuking genius meeting that must have been.

That shop ridicules Hitler rather than celebrates him imo.

Good point there. There's the sniff of hypocrisy at the oul outrage alright.

*hence many Jews will drive Saabs, Volvos and the like, avoiding the German stuff. Fair enough. Consumers choice an all.

Wibbs · 29-08-2012 08:27PM

Fuinseog wrote: »

tthere is also the Celtic version of the swastika. an ancient symbol and politically correct Germans want it forbidden EU wide. Good luck with that. I think demonising such symbols only makes them more popular.

This plus a thousand. I built Airfix Stukas and Me109s and Dorniers and such as your 70's boys(and a couple of girls) tended to do. Swastikas all over the place. I didn't grow up feeling the need to design my own uniforms and ride around in open top mercs eyeing up Poland and France with suspicious eyes. Well...

SocSocPol · 29-08-2012 08:27PM

Fuinseog wrote: »

its not such a big deal for some people. in galway we have no probs naming a street after Viki the famine queen. it will be a while before they have a hitler street in Tel aviv. the jews have to get over themselves just like we cannot harp on about the baastard black and tans for the rest of time.

Bearing in mind that the Jews suffered the most abominable atrocity in the history of mankind (The Shoah) that is the planned attemt at total genocide your post is abhorrent, insulting, and trollish.

SocSocPol · 29-08-2012 08:34PM

Wibbs wrote: »

True enough. People drive beemers and volkswagens and mercs and audi's and they were all involved in wartime output. Shít the beemer logo is a stylised propellor*. Kodak and Volkswagen used slave labour like hugo boss.

One of the biggest dodgy areas of WW2 is the Austrian corporal couldn't have gotten off the ground and built his little regime without huge support from the German industrial complex(one of the biggest in the world at the time) and it's expertise and financing. They also were among the first to expel Jews from positions of power within the companies from shop floor supervisers up.

The real crime is how very very few of those guys ever came to trial and how even fewer were punished for it. Indeed quite a number just reset after the war and continued happily on with support from the allies, with the notable and laudable exception(in this case) of the Russians.

Not just German companies either Next time you consider buying an IBM product consider this. Bosch Seimens take the biscuit mind you. During the war they used slave labour, even helped in designing a couple of gas chambers and what do they do back in 2002? Register a trademark to label a rip off of Mr Dysons cyclone vacuum cleaners. What's German for cyclone? Zyklon. Yep the same name as the gas used to kill people. Fcuking genius meeting that must have been.

Good point there. There's the sniff of hypocrisy at the oul outrage alright.

*hence many Jews will drive Saabs, Volvos and the like, avoiding the German stuff. Fair enough. Consumers choice an all.

And lets not forget Coca Cola whose German subsidary invented Fantastiche during the war, it is now sold as Fanta!
Difference is, unlike the retailer in question none of these companies tries to market their business using the Hitler name and Swastika logo, a symbol which is properly offenivse to most decent people.

Wibbs · 29-08-2012 08:40PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Bearing in mind that the Jews suffered the most abominable atrocity in the history of mankind (The Shoah) that is the planned attemt at total genocide your post is abhorrent, insulting, and trollish.

While I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding being uncomfortable about such a suggestion from F, I'd debate the "scoring of atrocity" all too common with this subject. The Shoah is uppermost in the western mind because it's been kept in the western mind. When was the last time you saw a documentary or movie about the Nanking Massacre? Exactamundo.

People this side of the world tend to forget what the Japanese did in occupied China around the same time. In China alone the numbers of estimated killings run to over 20 million Chinese. Never mind the mass rapes, cannibalism, torture, medical experiments testing of biological and chemical weapons. Christ they used Chinese men and women in live bayonet practice for troops. That's just in China and it was most certainly racially motivated. They looked upon the Chinese and others as subhuman apes. These pricks actualy set up rape houses in occupied towns were local women were tied to special rape chairs and raped to death. Niice.

The Asian holocaust was just as brutal, lasted longer and claimed more lives and fcuk all Japanese involved were punished for it. Indeed surprisingly the Chinese took the more pragmatic view with those they captured. They got them to confess(rarely under duress) and then sent them home. And while they most certainly do not forget down to today will still deal with Japan economically. Stalins purges were another beauty. There exists a long list of man's inhumanity to man, neither it's perpetrators nor it's victims hold the high ground or are tied to any one group or groups.

3ndahalfof6 · 29-08-2012 08:43PM

schfine hunts.

blatantrereg · 29-08-2012 08:47PM

oh no; just noticed the superman t-shirt in the window

SocSocPol · 29-08-2012 08:49PM

Wibbs wrote: »

True enough. People drive beemers and volkswagens and mercs and audi's and they were all involved in wartime output. Shít the beemer logo is a stylised propellor*. Kodak and Volkswagen used slave labour like hugo boss.

One of the biggest dodgy areas of WW2 is the Austrian corporal couldn't have gotten off the ground and built his little regime without huge support from the German industrial complex(one of the biggest in the world at the time) and it's expertise and financing. They also were among the first to expel Jews from positions of power within the companies from shop floor supervisers up.

The real crime is how very very few of those guys ever came to trial and how even fewer were punished for it. Indeed quite a number just reset after the war and continued happily on with support from the allies, with the notable and laudable exception(in this case) of the Russians.

Not just German companies either Next time you consider buying an IBM product consider this. Bosch Seimens take the biscuit mind you. During the war they used slave labour, even helped in designing a couple of gas chambers and what do they do back in 2002? Register a trademark to label a rip off of Mr Dysons cyclone vacuum cleaners. What's German for cyclone? Zyklon. Yep the same name as the gas used to kill people. Fcuking genius meeting that must have been.

Good point there. There's the sniff of hypocrisy at the oul outrage alright.

*hence many Jews will drive Saabs, Volvos and the like, avoiding the German stuff. Fair enough. Consumers choice an all.

Wibbs wrote: »

While I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding being uncomfortable about such a suggestion from F, I'd debate the "scoring of atrocity" all too common with this subject. The Shoah is uppermost in the western mind because it's been kept in the western mind. When was the last time you saw a documentary or movie about the Nanking Massacre? Exactamundo.

People this side of the world tend to forget what the Japanese did in occupied China around the same time. In China alone the numbers of estimated killings run to over 20 million Chinese. Never mind the mass rapes, cannibalism, torture, medical experiments testing of biological and chemical weapons. Christ they used Chinese men and women in live bayonet practice for troops. That's just in China and it was most certainly racially motivated. They looked upon the Chinese and others as subhuman apes. These pricks actualy set up rape houses in occupied towns were local women were tied to special rape chairs and raped to death. Niice.

The Asian holocaust was just as brutal, lasted longer and claimed more lives and fcuk all Japanese involved were punished for it. Indeed surprisingly the Chinese took the more pragmatic view with those they captured. They got them to confess(rarely under duress) and then sent them home. And while they most certainly do not forget down to today will still deal with Japan economically. Stalins purges were another beauty. There exists a long list of man's inhumanity to man, neither it's perpetrators nor it's victims hold the high ground or are tied to any one group or groups.

True and I accept that.
Perhaps it is just the precise and mechanical way the the Holocaust was planned and executed that makes it stand out, after all there is little evidence of a Japanese equivalent of the Wansee meeting to compare the holocaust to. Or perhaps it is because the Shoah was in a way the culmination of centuries of oppression and pogroms (including here in Ireland, where would we have been without Griffith and his ilk?) that had been visited against the Jews that pricks europes collective concience.
Either way, to my mind the Shoah and its architects are neither cause for jokes or insensitive actions.

Galwayguy35 · 29-08-2012 08:50PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Bearing in mind that the Jews suffered the most abominable atrocity in the history of mankind (The Shoah) that is the planned attemt at total genocide your post is abhorrent, insulting, and trollish.

Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler did Jews so I don't think we call call it the worst mass murder in history.

senorwipesalot · 29-08-2012 08:50PM

Even our much loved travelling community are jumping on the bandwagon...
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hitler-and-friends-cleared-of-murder-charge-by-court-486702.html

karma_ · 29-08-2012 08:50PM

Wibbs wrote: »

While I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding being uncomfortable about such a suggestion from F, I'd debate the "scoring of atrocity" all too common with this subject. The Shoah is uppermost in the western mind because it's been kept in the western mind. When was the last time you saw a documentary or movie about the Nanking Massacre? Exactamundo.

People this side of the world tend to forget what the Japanese did in occupied China around the same time. In China alone the numbers of estimated killings run to over 20 million Chinese. Never mind the mass rapes, cannibalism, torture, medical experiments testing of biological and chemical weapons. Christ they used Chinese men and women in live bayonet practice for troops. That's just in China and it was most certainly racially motivated. They looked upon the Chinese and others as subhuman apes. These pricks actualy set up rape houses in occupied towns were local women were tied to special rape chairs and raped to death. Niice.

The Asian holocaust was just as brutal, lasted longer and claimed more lives and fcuk all Japanese involved were punished for it. Indeed surprisingly the Chinese took the more pragmatic view with those they captured. They got them to confess(rarely under duress) and then sent them home. And while they most certainly do not forget down to today will still deal with Japan economically. Stalins purges were another beauty. There exists a long list of man's inhumanity to man, neither it's perpetrators nor it's victims hold the high ground or are tied to any one group or groups.

Well said. The Holocaust was horrible, but it should not be isolated in precedence of other brutal holocausts. Columbus literally wiped out an entire nation of people, I mean literally, every single last one, no survivors. What about the Native Americans, they have no monuments, The Armenians, no one can even decide to call that a genocide incase it upsets the Turks, hell we could even make a case about the Neanderthals.

SocSocPol · 29-08-2012 08:52PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Stalin killed more of his own people than Hitler did Jews so I don't think we call call it the worst mass murder in history.

Please provide evidence that I called it the worst mass murder in history, oops you cant because I didn't!

Phill Ewinn · 29-08-2012 08:56PM

I heard India inveted the jews. They also invented the ghey and sunglasses.

Galwayguy35 · 29-08-2012 09:00PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Please provide evidence that I called it the worst mass murder in history, oops you cant because I didn't!

"The most abominable atrocity in the history of mankind".

Colmustard · 29-08-2012 09:00PM

Hitler was a son of a bitch and most historians agree there would have been no holocaust without Hitler.

SocSocPol · 29-08-2012 09:01PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

"The most abominable atrocity in the history of mankind".

Where in that quote does it say "worst mass murder"? duh!

Galwayguy35 · 29-08-2012 09:06PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Where in that quote does it say "worst mass murder"? duh!

So do you think it was worse than what Stalin did?

You seem to seeing as you call it the "worst atrocity"

duh !

SocSocPol · 29-08-2012 09:10PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So do you think it was worse than what Stalin did?

You seem to seeing as you call it the "worst atrocity"

duh !

Quote what I said, not what you wish I'd said.
If you can't quote what I actually said have the decency not to quote me at all.

Galwayguy35 · 29-08-2012 09:16PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Quote what I said, not what you wish I'd said.
If you can't quote what I actually said have the decency not to quote me at all.

You called it the worst atrocity in the history of mankind, I asked you do you think it was worse than what Stalin did, it's a simple question.

positron · 29-08-2012 09:17PM

As someone from India, vast majority of Indians wouldn't know much about Hitler - I am not talking about uneducated people either. My own personal experience is that I had read something about the two World wars and Hitler - and the name was mentioned along with Stalin, Mussolini and Churchill. That's about it really. History classes in Indian schools teaches Indian history - various dynasties that ruled the land - we have some 2000 years of that to get thru before coming to the British Raj - and then textbooks usually focuses on colonization, freedom movements, various campaigns, and key figures and events. Only after moving to Europe, I read up so much about World Wars and key figures, and only then I realized how bitter the western world is about Hitler, and the memories of holocaust is still fresh etc. I had absolutely no idea otherwise. I remember buying and wearing t-shirt labeled 'furore'. In fact I think they still sell that brand of t-shirts there.

Oh yeah, Swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol of prosperity etc - and you will see it drawn fresh every morning in front of most houses even in the remotest of the Indian villages - especially in the South - and most of them have probably never heard of Europe - let alone Hitler.

Just my 2 paise worth.

PopePalpatine · 29-08-2012 09:26PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Well Dublin is home to the a restaurant named after that noted humanitarian Chairman Mao. Don't know if they still have his image plastered all over the place.

http://www.cafemao.com/restaurant/index.php

If you excuse me, I'm off to open "Stalin's Georgian Cuisine". :pac:

Wibbs · 29-08-2012 09:37PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

True and I accept that.
Perhaps it is just the precise and mechanical way the the Holocaust was planned and executed that makes it stand out,

Oh sure, that adds a horrific coldness to it. It was one of the most educated and civilised people on the planet who sat down and dreamt it up. That said it was a remarkably small number of same. All it took as the (para) phrase goes was good people to do nothing. IT holds a worrying mirror up to all who think themselves civilised and I suspect many deep down realise they'd be much more likely to be of the quiet masses

after all there is little evidence of a Japanese equivalent of the Wansee meeting to compare the holocaust to.

Well the atrocities were sanctioned by the army on the ground. It was all done in plain sight.

Or perhaps it is because the Shoah was in a way the culmination of centuries of oppression and pogroms (including here in Ireland, where would we have been without Griffith and his ilk?) that had been visited against the Jews that pricks europes collective concience.

Again there's most certainly an element of that. However I'd not be so quick to whip ourselves regarding antisemitic behaviour. The Limerick pogram a case in point. Those people forced from their homes made their way to Cork, as a jumping off point to the new world. The people of Cork opened their homes to them, with the result that many Jewish people stayed buoyed by the kindness and fellow humanity displayed. When some talk of Limerick, they're either ignorant of that or ignore it. I hope the former. People also forget that the Liberator Danny O'Connell while fighting for Catholic rights also fought for Jewish rights as did his supporters. Indeed he succeeded in getting a bill passed in the UK parliament rescinding the ancient law that required Jews to wear distinctive clothing. The first such in Europe. To quote the man(from what passes for my memory) "Ireland has claims on your ancient race, it is the only country that I know of unsullied by acts of persecution of your peoples". Before him our own parliament debated the inclusion of Irish Jews into this nation. In the late 1890's one Dublin Jewish guy was elected as lord mayor of same(actually a Jewish guy was elected mayor of Cork in the 1500's). And it went both ways. Irish Jews organised big relief efforts when the famine hit and a load were involved in the struggle for our independence(BOb Briscoe just one example). Given how small the Jewish population was and is here, they've contributed much over the centuries.

One muppet in Limerick and a tiny few of mostly lone gobshítes with loud voices does not illustrate the overall attitude or Irish people to their fellow Irish who happen to be Jews. NOt by a long shot. As a people we can be more proud than not.

Either way, to my mind the Shoah and its architects are neither cause for jokes or insensitive actions.

I agree, however sensitivity can sometimes be over egged.

karma_ wrote: »

Well said. The Holocaust was horrible, but it should not be isolated in precedence of other brutal holocausts. Columbus literally wiped out an entire nation of people, I mean literally, every single last one, no survivors. What about the Native Americans, they have no monuments, The Armenians, no one can even decide to call that a genocide incase it upsets the Turks, hell we could even make a case about the Neanderthals.

Well the Europeans killed millions, mostly through imported pathogens. I'd not be so sure of Neandertals though. we lived together for an awfully long time. 10,000 years in Europe alone and similar in the middle east. Bit languid a holocaust.:)

karma_ · 29-08-2012 09:45PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well the Europeans killed millions, mostly through imported pathogens. I'd not be so sure of Neandertals though. we lived together for an awfully long time. 10,000 years in Europe alone and similar in the middle east. Bit languid a holocaust.:)

Yeah disease played a part, however, as soon as the next Columbus thread goes up I'll be there to argue the point that he was one of the most evil and brutal cúnts that ever graced this planet.

As for the Neanderthals, of course I was just making a point, the fact remains, not a single one remains to tell the tale.

mhigh86 · 29-08-2012 09:52PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Bearing in mind that the Jews suffered the most abominable atrocity in the history of mankind (The Shoah) that is the planned attemt at total genocide your post is abhorrent, insulting, and trollish.

In the history of mankind the holocaust will be a small event of one tribe killing another. anyway Genghis Khan killed 40 million not so long ago, but thats not such big a deal

Jews refuse to shop at ‘Hitler’ store in India

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