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Dawkins sounds off. Lots of atheists upset.

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  • #1412
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Michael Nugent has posted a list of 1,000 women who are involved with skepticism and atheism:

    http://www.michaelnugent.com/2012/08/29/1000-women-speakers-worth-listening-to/

    My sis is there :)


  • #1413
    Rev Hellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    Nicely done.


  • #1414
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    That list is hopelessly biased against male speakers!

    <runs>


  • #1415
    bipedalhumanoid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭bipedalhumanoid


    Sarky wrote: »
    That list is hopelessly biased against male speakers!

    <runs>

    This whole thing is crazy. Somebody please explain how a woman can possibly be the best man for the job?

    <also runs>


  • #1416
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    robindch wrote: »
    Michael Nugent has posted a list of 1,000 women who are involved with skepticism and atheism:

    http://www.michaelnugent.com/2012/08/29/1000-women-speakers-worth-listening-to/

    My sis is there :)

    How many of them are hot ....

















    ... I'll get my coat


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  • #1417
    decimatio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭decimatio


    I seen this and couldn't help but think of this thread.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUjGayIkI6g


  • #1418
    bipedalhumanoid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭bipedalhumanoid


    Elevator Racism

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRfjLfyXYlA


  • #1419
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,123 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    new New Atheism (Atheism+), a new group from Free Thought Blogs.

    Some explanation from the linked page as to why they're creating the group.
    I don’t feel safe as a woman in this community – and I feel less safe than I do as a woman in science, or a woman in gaming, or hell, as a woman walking down the ****ing sidewalk. People shat themselves with rage at the suggestion that cons should have anti-sexual harassment policies. DJ Grothe, president of JREF, blamed those evil feminist bloggers for TAM’s female attendance problem instead of trying to fix what’s scaring women away (and then blocked me on Twitter and unfriended me on Facebook for good measure). A 15 year old girl posted a photo of herself holding a Carl Sagan book to r/atheism and got a flood of rape jokes in return. The Amazing Atheist purposefully tried to trigger a rape survivor. Paula Kirby decided we’re all feminazis and femistasis. I’ve become used to being called a **** or having people threaten to contact my employers because a feminist can’t be a good scientist. Rebecca Watson is still receiving constant rape and death threats a year after she said “Guys, don’t do that.” And mentioning her name is a Beetlejuice-like trigger for a new torrent of hate mail

    It's a pity she feels so unsafe that she has to create a new group. I don't see how that would solve her problem though, as the guys that are abusive/hostile can just start posting on the new site or attend the new events.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1420
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I think a quick lesson in what a troll is could help a lot here... It seems some people are conflating simple 'wind up merchantry' with genuine threat.


  • #1421
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    koth wrote: »
    It's a pity she feels so unsafe that she has to create a new group. I don't see how that would solve her problem though, as the guys that are abusive/hostile can just start posting on the new site or attend the new events.

    If it's more than a (semi) populist sound-bite then setting up an alternative "community" will make for interesting observation. I suspect the popularity of one "side" will recover/soar and ultimately the other group will have to concede to having marginalised themselves. Mind you, given the depth of trenches dug that's probably the only way that's ever going to happen.


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  • #1422
    fitz0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    koth wrote: »
    new New Atheism (Atheism+), a new group from Free Thought Blogs.

    Some explanation from the linked page as to why they're creating the group.

    It's a pity she feels so unsafe that she has to create a new group. I don't see how that would solve her problem though, as the guys that are abusive/hostile can just start posting on the new site or attend the new events.

    Strongly associated with the hive mind ftb, the first sentence is their current crusade and they set themselves above ordinary atheists by calling themselves Pluses. That's a lot of nope.

    On the plus side, now we get to complain about New Atheism as well.


  • #1423
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Galvasean wrote: »
    It seems some people are conflating simple 'wind up merchantry' with genuine threat.
    I'd like to know why these dire threats haven't been passed onto the police, or even just opensourced, since I'm assuming that the ftb's and skepchick's web logs will contain things like incriminating IP addresses and the like so that people can substantiate the fairly extraordinary claims.

    And however much I try to slap down even the merest hint of unjustifiable paranoia, that tiny part of my brain that's suspicious as hell about relentless self-publicists suggests there might be a reason they haven't been passed on or opensourced.


  • #1424
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    koth wrote: »
    new New Atheism (Atheism+), a new group from Free Thought Blogs.

    Some explanation from the linked page as to why they're creating the group.



    It's a pity she feels so unsafe that she has to create a new group. I don't see how that would solve her problem though, as the guys that are abusive/hostile can just start posting on the new site or attend the new events.

    You kind of get the impression that feeling safe isn't the aim, venting anger at not feeling safe seems to be the aim.

    Some what mixed up priorities in my opinion.


  • #1425
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,049 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    'Popular People's Front of Judea?' 'That's himher over there.'

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #1426
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ninja900 wrote: »
    'Popular People's Front of Judea?' 'That's himher over there.'
    Hope you're not suggesting that the Rebecca Watson's front is popular in some way.


  • #1427
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Is this how the Pope felt when that Luther guy nailed a piece of paper to the church door?

    "Never gonna catch on..."
    I am the Pope!


  • #1428
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,049 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    robindch wrote: »
    Hope you're not suggesting that the Rebecca Watson's front is popular in some way.

    Robindch, you must revise the sacred VHS...

    there are errors in the transcription of the sacred texts to DVD, I blame the Greeks.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #1429
    bipedalhumanoid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭bipedalhumanoid


    Dawkins is slowly creeping back into the debate.

    He retweeted a tweet by an active anti-A+er, called for a boycott of sites that cynically promote drama for monetary gain and then asked if it was true that you could use ad blockers to block their ads.

    Dawkins, Harris, Kirby, Thunderfoot & Blackford FTW!


  • #1430
    decimatio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭decimatio


    bipedalhumanoid wrote:

    Dawkins, Harris, Kirby, Thunderfoot & Blackford FTW!

    Agree with all except Thunder. He acted quite childishly there near the end and although I agreed with his perspective, mostly, he argued it very poorly.

    Dawkins must feel like he's threading on ice.


  • #1431
    Improbable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Improbable


    I find it interesting how this was all sparked from such a stupid thing. A guy propositions Rebecca Watson in an elevator. Her comment was "guy's, don't do that". It gets a WHOLE lot of play. Now, rape is apparently waiting around every corner at conferences.


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  • #1432
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    not just rape, consensual sex.. rape's younger and just as creepy brother


  • #1433
    decimatio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭decimatio


    Improbable wrote: »
    I find it interesting how this was all sparked from such a stupid thing. A guy propositions Rebecca Watson in an elevator. Her comment was "guy's, don't do that". It gets a WHOLE lot of play. Now, rape is apparently waiting around every corner at conferences.

    I read one of them talking about how she leaves the name and phone number of the guy on paper in her apartment everytime she goes on a date in case he abducts/kills her. Can't remember which one it was, anyone remember that?

    Now I just don't understand this. If she honestly feels that way and does that then that's really unfortunate and I do feel sorry for her.

    But what exactly does she expect society to do about it?

    I often hear some of these people come out with statements along the lines of saying how we have to make sure everyone feels safe. Well no we don't, not to the nonsensical extent they're proposing.


  • #1434
    decimatio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭decimatio


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    not just rape, consensual sex.. rape's younger and just as creepy brother

    I will regret asking but surely you jest?


  • #1435
    Improbable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Improbable


    decimatio wrote: »
    I read one of them talking about how she leaves the name and phone number of the guy on paper in her apartment everytime she goes on a date in case he abducts/kills her. Can't remember which one it was, anyone remember that?

    Now I just don't understand this. If she honestly feels that way and does that then that's really unfortunate and I do feel sorry for her.

    But what exactly does she expect society to do about it?

    I often hear some of these people come out with statements along the lines of saying how we have to make sure everyone feels safe. Well no we don't, not to the nonsensical extent they're proposing.

    Well I don't really have anything against that. It doesn't effect anyone but her and if it makes her feel safer, good for her. If you can find a link to it, I'd be interested in reading whether she actually does want society to do something about it.


  • #1436
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    decimatio wrote: »
    I will regret asking but surely you jest?

    im not going over to ftb to find the link, it's somewhere in this thread but michael shermer was named as one of them men on the secret sexists blacklist because he had sex with a female attendee of some conference

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80178240&postcount=1076


  • #1437
    decimatio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭decimatio


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

    im not going over to ftb to find the link, it's somewhere in this thread but michael shermer was named as one of them men on the secret sexists blacklist because he had sex with a female attendee of some conference

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80178240&postcount=1076

    And? They don't like him because he had sex with an attendee? What's wrong with that? I mean, what do they say is wrong with that?


  • #1438
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Yes, it does. Atheism+ is our movement. We will not consider you a part of it, we will not work with you, we will not befriend you. We will heretofore denounce you as the irrational or immoral scum you are (if such you are). If you reject these values, then you are no longer one of us. And we will now say so, publicly and repeatedly. You are hereby disowned.

    Atheism+ in a nutshell.
    http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/a-atheism-plus-for-a-third-glorious-age-of-total-agreement/


  • #1439
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    decimatio wrote: »
    And? They don't like him because he had sex with an attendee? What's wrong with that? I mean, what do they say is wrong with that?

    Nothing. That's exactly the problem with this FTB hysteria. They're just trying to make drama from pretty much anything at this pointin a pathetic attempt to stay relevant.


  • #1440
    Curly Judge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    Getting back to the beginning of this thread, what strikes me is the sheer optimism of the guy in the elevator.
    What did he think was going to happen?
    A woman he hardly knew was going to say. "Yes I'd love a cup of coffee in your room".?
    She was then going to throw herself on his bed, open her legs an say "Have at it"
    What , in his lifetime experience, lead him to believe that this was a probable scenario.
    It reminds me of the philosophy of a friend of mine years ago - when we were both much younger and pole vaulting around the dating scene on three legs - who asked every female he met if she "wanted a shag".
    When I questioned the rationale of his method he said that he got "some right slaps in the face" but that, on the other hand, he got the occasional "great ride" as well.
    Nature's wisdom has insisted that mens lust is the driving force in the propagation of the species.
    Societies role should be to mold that urgency into an acceptable behavior we can all agree with.


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  • #1441
    Improbable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Improbable


    Curly Judge wrote: »
    Getting back to the beginning of this thread, what strikes me is the sheer optimism of the guy in the elevator.
    What did he think was going to happen?
    A woman he hardly knew was going to say. "Yes I'd love a cup of coffee in your room".?
    She was then going to throw herself on his bed, open her legs an say "Have at it"
    What , in his lifetime experience, lead him to believe that this was a probable scenario.
    It reminds me of the philosophy of a friend of mine years ago - when we were both much younger and pole vaulting around the dating scene on three legs - who asked every female he met if she "wanted a shag".
    When I questioned the rationale of his method he said that he got "some right slaps in the face" but that, on the other hand, he got the occasional "great ride" as well.
    Nature's wisdom has insisted that mens lust is the driving force in the propagation of the species.
    Societies role should be to mold that urgency into an acceptable behavior we can all agree with.

    It was 4 AM and they were leaving the hotel bar.


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