'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

Hermy · 28-08-2012 03:41PM

No

vetinari wrote: »

However, I have to admit that the entire witch hunt by the USADA did leave me feeling quite uneasy.

There is NO witch hunt. The only reason we have arrived at this juncture is because Lance Armstrong is guilty of doping and USADA have done their job and proved this to be the case.

andyman · 28-08-2012 03:42PM

No

Lance is as guilty as sin, but nobody can deny that this is a witch-hunt.

Also, the USADA has Floyd Landis as one of their eye-witnesses. The amount of lies that man told and the amount of money he took off his own fans to make his case, only for him to admit cheating years later, makes him a very discreditable witness because he could be seen as nothing but bitter. Landis was always renowned for being a bitter man.

Monty Burnz · 28-08-2012 03:47PM

No

corny wrote: »

Can i post a link to the leaked 2010 list then as a response?

The list can be found here. Amusingly, on a scale of 0 (no suspicion of doping) to 10 (very strong suspicion), Lance Armstrong comes in with a '4'... :eek: and Frank Schleck - booted out of this year's TDF - gets a '2'.

Reekwind · 28-08-2012 03:51PM

No

andyman wrote: »

Lance is as guilty as sin, but nobody can deny that this is a witch-hunt

I think a lot of people in this thread don't quite grasp the meaning of the term "witch-hunt"

mcgratheoin · 28-08-2012 04:01PM

No

andyman wrote: »

Landis was always renowned for being a bitter man.

Source please :rolleyes:

corny · 28-08-2012 04:30PM

No

mcgratheoin wrote: »

Source please :rolleyes:

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petethedrummer · 28-08-2012 04:58PM

No

andyman wrote: »

Lance is as guilty as sin, but nobody can deny that this is a witch-hunt.

Also, the USADA has Floyd Landis as one of their eye-witnesses. The amount of lies that man told and the amount of money he took off his own fans to make his case, only for him to admit cheating years later, makes him a very discreditable witness because he could be seen as nothing but bitter. Landis was always renowned for being a bitter man.

I think Ross tucker put it best........

The problem is, if you choose to believe Armstrong, that it's a witch-hunt, then you are also a conspiracy theorist, because the only way you can explain all the witnesses who are willing to testify is to say that they are part of a massive conspiracy against him. One that spans the Atlantic Ocean, includes former team-mates, journalists, doctors, administrators, soigneurs, strangers and mechanics. A few people are "easy" to dismiss - Landis and Hamilton are not credible, that's easy. But if USADA had ten more lined up, it becomes more and more difficult to dismiss.

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/08/the-armstrong-fallout-thoughts-and.html

You had a go at discrediting Landis but can you discredit any of the other witnesses....particularly George Hincapie. Seems Armstrong didn't think he could and threw in the towel.

Flandria · 28-08-2012 05:11PM

No

Sounds like someone donated a Euro too many to the Fairness For Floyd Fund

Raam · 28-08-2012 07:32PM

No

Flandria wrote: »

Sounds like someone donated a Euro too many to the Fairness For Floyd Fund

Everyone got paid back by the court. Floyd now has to pay as much as he can back to the court or risk fines and a sentence.

Nisio · 28-08-2012 07:35PM

No

Is boards.ie implicated in distributing epo. What does this mean for those in boardsie. Jersies?

Dermot Illogical · 28-08-2012 07:49PM

No

^^^

Battery needs charging or that alarm will never work.

CardinalJ · 28-08-2012 07:55PM

No

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

hardCopy · 28-08-2012 08:03PM

No

CardinalJ wrote: »

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

Common sense is remarkably uncommon

Beasty · 28-08-2012 08:11PM

No

CardinalJ wrote: »

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

dermur · 28-08-2012 08:12PM

No

hardCopy wrote: »

Common sense is remarkably uncommon

I'm hoping that that 4% represents Lance's army of web crawlers.

Otherwise I'm losing faith in civilisation.

mloc123 · 28-08-2012 08:12PM

I see he is on twitter organising some lance laps. How many thousand will show up?

Raam · 28-08-2012 08:13PM

No

Equally perplexing is the number that still think he is great.

Monty Burnz · 28-08-2012 08:14PM

No

Beasty wrote: »

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

Also, in any vote, some people get a thrill out of voting the opposite of everybody else. If you had a referendum where people had a choice of 'leave the booth alive' or 'be gassed right now', you'd still get nearly 5% going for the latter.

CardinalJ · 28-08-2012 08:15PM

No

Beasty wrote: »

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

Name the 1 regular!!! Surely you can dish out a ban for that.....?

hardCopy · 28-08-2012 08:17PM

No

Beasty wrote: »

CardinalJ wrote: »

Mind boggling that just under 4% people think he didn't dope at all.

Of the 14 who have voted so far for that option, only 1 is a regular in the forum, another admitted to selecting the wrong option and many of the others have little or no posting history in the Cycling forum. It may well be that the vote has been swayed as a lot of those posters may not be particularly informed on the subject, one or two may simply be mischief-making and Fat Finger Syndrome seems to be at play also;)

My last post originally read:

"Misclicks, trolls and people who don't follow cycling"

I thought it would be inflammatory so I changed it.

Mods can put things so much more eloquently.

corny · 28-08-2012 08:19PM

No

May have seen this one but i thought it was funny.

vetinari · 28-08-2012 09:35PM

Reekwind wrote: »

I think a lot of people in this thread don't quite grasp the meaning of the term "witch-hunt"

In a technical sense, witch hunt is about the best words I can think for it. Guilty or not guilty, an athlete is almost certainly going to be found guilty by USADA arbitration. (Again, I do believe that Lance doped)

Someone mentioned that the evidence will be published at some point. It'll be interesting to see it.

Beasty · 28-08-2012 09:48PM

No

I guess it's a witch hunt if you accept the premise that Lance is a witch. Alternatively you could call it a Lance hunt. Either way, they caught him ...

Capt'n Midnight · 28-08-2012 10:03PM

No

Beasty wrote: »

I guess it's a witch hunt if you accept the premise that Lance is a witch. Alternatively you could call it a Lance hunt. Either way, they caught him ...

The whole point about a witch hunt is that witches don't exist because magic isn't real.

By definition a witch hunt is finding people guilty of a crime that doesn't exist. ie. the verdict has been decided before the hunt.

Bollbill · 28-08-2012 10:17PM

No

It's sad that a charity that does so much good is built on a lie.

hardCopy · 28-08-2012 10:19PM

No

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Beasty wrote: »

I guess it's a witch hunt if you accept the premise that Lance is a witch. Alternatively you could call it a Lance hunt. Either way, they caught him ...

The whole point about a witch hunt is that witches don't exist because magic isn't real.

By definition a witch hunt is finding people guilty of a crime that doesn't exist. ie. the verdict has been decided before the hunt.

Throw him in a pond, if he floats, he's a witch!

lennymc · 28-08-2012 10:19PM

No

does lance weigh the same as a duck?

lennymc · 28-08-2012 10:21PM

No

hardCopy wrote: »

Throw him in a pond, if he floats, he's a witch!

great minds think alike.

Nih!

hardCopy · 28-08-2012 10:51PM

No

lennymc wrote: »

hardCopy wrote: »

Throw him in a pond, if he floats, he's a witch!

great minds think alike.

Nih!

NERD!

furiousox · 28-08-2012 11:31PM

No

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

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