Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Backstreet Moyes · 28-08-2012 03:16PM

Danye wrote: »

I'm doing well to remember the match on Saturday let alone a few years ago so I couldn't argue or agree with you.

Zenit are now 2/1 to sign Nani, Spurs at 8/1 and AC & PSG at 16/1.

I'd fancy Spurs to get him. Cash from the sale of Modric plus AVB connection.

Just out of curiosity why do you think Nani would go to Spurs. Why would he be interested in dropping his standards. He is used to winning trophys and im sure when entering his prime his standards are higher than Spurs.

redalan · 28-08-2012 03:17PM

bullvine wrote: »

Yup, thats correct

Vidic let one bounce over his head for Torres to make it 2-1. From (a very shaky) memory.

J. Marston · 28-08-2012 03:18PM

Griffin1988 wrote: »

Not sure if you follow the journo's much but I'm sure the author of that piece is Neil Custis, brother of another journalist Shaun Custis (who sometimes appears on Sunday Supplement).

Both are utter tossers and both have bans from Ferguson's Friday conferences for the foreseeable future. There are actually some hilarious quotes from Ferguson on this (will try and dig them out)

In other words, he is an unreliable journo who has often penned anti-United pieces and he also works for The Sun which should only be used for the images on page three and as a last alternative to bog roll.

Managers became aware that newspapers placed real value on their postmatch musings, so much so that they would ban from their press conferences those reporters who had offended them. At Manchester United, Sir Alex Ferguson has used this weapon more readily than most. Journalists have been banned, barred and banished in indiscriminate clusters, and for all manner of offences. He once halted a press conference after spotting Shaun Custis of The Sun. “What are you doing here?” he bawled. “I banned you last week.” “That wasn't me,” said Shaun, “that was my brother, Neil.” “I don't care!” yelled Ferguson. “You're banned as well. There's too many Custises in this bloody world!”

I love how he treats journalists.

Will I Amnt · 28-08-2012 03:18PM

If his wage demands are too much for us you can count Spurs out of the race.

Corvo · 28-08-2012 03:20PM

J. Marston;80478845

Thanks for that! Ah that was just brilliant. Though a lot of good journalists are starting to get banned now. Mark Ogden the most recent.

Julez · 28-08-2012 03:30PM

haven't had time to read through the past few pages but people/rags suggesting that Rooney may get sold... Wouldn't he fail a medical?

Mitch Connor · 28-08-2012 03:31PM

J. Marston wrote: »

I love how he treats journalists.

It annoys the crap out of me - Some bans are probably justifiable, but it seems like a lot of them are just childish reactions from Fergie. Mark Ogden banned for reporting that Ferdinand was injured last weekend, a great example. It is petty and pathetic.

One day soon the Man United Friday press conference will just be Fergie and the MUTV crew.

Danye · 28-08-2012 03:32PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why do you think Nani would go to Spurs. Why would he be interested in dropping his standards. He is used to winning trophys and im sure when entering his prime his standards are higher than Spurs.

Firstly they have the money from the Modric sale.

Also, AVB is an ambitious manager who did really well at Porto winning trophies and it seems as though he is trying to build his own squad at Spurs and look to do the same with them. He might be able to convince Nani that he will be the catalyst for his new "project" depending on how well he is able sell it to him. I think Nani would enjoy the idea of being the main man. Then you could also suggest the fact that the manager is a fellow countryman could also be significant.

I don't think Spurs would have a problem paying his wages and the lure of the bright lights of London could be too much for Nani.

Also the fact that that they are 2nd favourites with the bookies. ZSB are favourites but I would think London would have more of an appeal to him and he has been bassed in the UK for quite a while as well.

If he was to go to ZSB it would mean a change of culture for him.

Roger Sterling · 28-08-2012 03:35PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

J. Marston wrote: »

I love how he treats journalists.

It annoys the crap out of me - Some bans are probably justifiable, but it seems like a lot of them are just childish reactions from Fergie. Mark Ogden banned for reporting that Ferdinand was injured last weekend, a great example. It is petty and pathetic.

One day soon the Man United Friday press conference will just be Fergie and the MUTV crew.

So what? Whats to be gained by being some kind of media darling like Hodgson. F*ck the lot of them I say. Fergie gives them the disdain they deserve.

Roger Sterling · 28-08-2012 03:36PM

Danye wrote: »

Nuts102 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why do you think Nani would go to Spurs. Why would he be interested in dropping his standards. He is used to winning trophys and im sure when entering his prime his standards are higher than Spurs.

Firstly they have the money from the Modric sale.

Also, AVB is an ambitious manager who did really well at Porto winning trophies and it seems as though he is trying to build his own squad at Spurs and look to do the same with them. He might be able to convince Nani that he will be the catalyst for his new "project" depending on how well he is able sell it to him. I think Nani would enjoy the idea of being the main man. Then you could also suggest the fact that the manager is a fellow countryman could also be significant.

I don't think Spurs would have a problem paying his wages and the lure of the bright lights of London could be too much for Nani.

Also the fact that that they are 2nd favourites with the bookies. ZSB are favourites but I would think London would have more of an appeal to him and he has been bassed in the UK for quite a while as well.

If he was to go to ZSB it would mean a change of culture for him.

Spurs wage cap is sonething like 80k. They couldnt afford Nani.

Adamcp898 · 28-08-2012 03:38PM

Julez wrote: »

haven't had time to read through the past few pages but people/rags suggesting that Rooney may get sold... Wouldn't he fail a medical?

Why would he? Can't see why he won't be able to make a full recovery from this latest one and he has no other previous chronic injuries really

Adamcp898 · 28-08-2012 03:40PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Spurs wage cap is sonething like 80k. They couldnt afford Nani.

They've broken it now for the likes of Bale though and the % of Adebayor's wages they're paying depending on who you believe, looks like they're leaving it behind which of course they have to if they want to attract proven quality.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post

Danye · 28-08-2012 03:43PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why do you think Nani would go to Spurs. Why would he be interested in dropping his standards. He is used to winning trophys and im sure when entering his prime his standards are higher than Spurs.

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Spurs wage cap is sonething like 80k. They couldnt afford Nani.

I think it's closer to 90 or 100k. Couldn't say for certain though.

That's what he's on now I think? In or around. But the move wouldn't only be about money. He already is a wealthy man.

I think it would depend a lot on how AVB was to sell the club and his plans to Nani.

Roger Sterling · 28-08-2012 03:44PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

They've broken it now for the likes of Bale though and the % of Adebayor's wages they're paying depending on who you believe, looks like they're leaving it behind which of course they have to if they want to attract proven quality.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post

I don't think Bale is on much more than 80k have you a link?

Also Man City were still paying the lion's share of the Adebayor fee and that combined with a big signing on fee was keeping him below the weekly wage cap to AFAIK.

Roger Sterling · 28-08-2012 03:48PM

Danye wrote: »

I think it's closer to 90 or 100k. Couldn't say for certain though.

That's what he's on now I think? In or around. But the move wouldn't only be about money. He already is a wealthy man.

I think it would depend a lot on how AVB was to sell the club and his plans to Nani.

Even if he is a wealthy man he would be a complete mug to take the footballing step down to Spurs as well as a sideways move in salary at best.

I just cannot see any way one of United'd best players would make a move to Spurs unless he has had some kind of catastrophic falling out with management and wants to get away ASAP a la Robinho from Madrid a few years ago.

Its a big step down in terms of the levels football wise the clubs are at and I don't think they could pay him the 6 figure salary a week that could come close to justifying that step down.

l'd be stunned if it happened.

Danye · 28-08-2012 03:53PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Even if he is a wealthy man he would be a complete mug to take the footballing step down to Spurs as well as a sideways move in salary at best.

I just cannot see any way one of United'd best players would make a move to Spurs unless he has had some kind of catastrophic falling out with management and wants to get away ASAP a la Robinho from Madrid a few years ago.

Its a big step down in terms of the levels football wise the clubs are at and I don't think they could pay him the 6 figure salary a week that could come close to justifying that step down.

l'd be stunned if it happened.

We will wait and see what happens between now and Friday.

Other tham himself and now Anderson being connected with Spurs there seems to be no players coming or going.

Blatter · 28-08-2012 03:54PM

Delighted that Mark Ogden is banned. Think he's a pretty awful journalist, don't know how he gets the ''good'' reputation he has. Probably just because he works for the Telegraph.

Corvo · 28-08-2012 03:55PM

Blatter wrote: »

Delighted that Mark Ogden is banned. Think he's a pretty awful journalist, don't know how he gets the ''good'' reputation he has. Probably just because he works for the Telegraph.

In fairness, he might be "good" but he is the best of a bad bunch.

Adamcp898 · 28-08-2012 03:56PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

I don't think Bale is on much more than 80k have you a link?

Also Man City were still paying the lion's share of the Adebayor fee and that combined with a big signing on fee was keeping him below the weekly wage cap to AFAIK.

Well noone's wages are ever officially made public so no use searching for links, at the time his new deal was signed I seen it reported to be anywhere from £75-100k p/w and I'd imagine it's at the higher end given the interest he was supposedly generating. The £80k ceiling was to do with King's wages too afaik and keeping the captain on the highest wages by seniority (not through any clause) I think.

And as for Adebayor it's reported that it works out Spurs are paying £100k p/w to him, kind of another reason I'd think they're giving Bale that sort of money now too.

homerjay2005 · 28-08-2012 04:03PM

ya, i have to laugh about all the wages talk in general and how much a player is on a week! the reality is, very few players wages are actually what they are rumored to be.

i mean, how on earth for example would people really know how much players are on, its all guess work and hear say to be honest!?

Blatter · 28-08-2012 04:04PM

Griffin1988 wrote: »

In fairness, he might be "good" but he is the best of a bad bunch.

I don't think so tbh, I rarely see him get any exclusives right. I think it was him trying to claim we signed van Persie for £15m plus add ons. Load of bollix.

He was banging on about us being in for Gaitan a few months ago as well when the more reliable journalists like Daniel Taylor were saying it was nonsense. We hardly heard a peep about Gaitan this Summer.

There's a few other things as well but can't think of them at the moment. But I've read a lot of his stuff and he's definitely not a journalist that I rate.

Corvo · 28-08-2012 04:12PM

Blatter wrote: »

I don't think so tbh, I rarely see him get any exclusives right. I think it was him trying to claim we signed van Persie for £15m plus add ons. Load of bollix.

He was banging on about us being in for Gaitan a few months ago as well when the more reliable journalists like Daniel Taylor were saying it was nonsense. We hardly heard a peep about Gaitan this Summer.

There's a few other things as well but can't think of them at the moment. But I've read a lot of his stuff and he's definitely not a journalist that I rate.

Speaking of which, he is another who is banned. Be no-one left soon.

homerjay2005 · 28-08-2012 04:12PM

Blatter wrote: »

I don't think so tbh, I rarely see him get any exclusives right. I think it was him trying to claim we signed van Persie for £15m plus add ons. Load of bollix.

He was banging on about us being in for Gaitan a few months ago as well when the more reliable journalists like Daniel Taylor were saying it was nonsense. We hardly heard a peep about Gaitan this Summer.

There's a few other things as well but can't think of them at the moment. But I've read a lot of his stuff and he's definitely not a journalist that I rate.

i get what your saying and ive no time for Taylor either, BUT, just because something doesnt happen, doesnt mean the journalist is wrong surely?

im pretty sure that we are interested in Gaitan or at least we were, it was all over the Portuguese media and in my opinion the interest was real. lazy journalism perhaps, but we cant use examples of players not signing for us, to beat a writer.

apart from places like the Sun and goal.com who come out with the likes of the Kaka stories and Ashley cole plus other rubbish, i am happy to say that for every 10 players that we are linked with by non rag papers, that maybe 7 or 8 of them are true to an extent, its just most of them dont happen. lots of reason, but United have signed 5 players this summer, we are linked to dembele and one or two more, we were linked to hazard and Lucas and in all fairness, this summer more than anything else should tell you that almost all the united rumours were true in one way or another.

we didnt sign hazard or lucas, but we were damn close to doing so. its the fault of greedy players or agents, not the journalist.

Kerrydude1981 · 28-08-2012 04:21PM

Julez wrote: »

haven't had time to read through the past few pages but people/rags suggesting that Rooney may get sold... Wouldn't he fail a medical?

I find it hard to believe that Rooney would be sold,when RVP signed SAF said he had a strike force just as good as the 99 team and now the papers would have you believe he wants to offload Rooney and that City are the only team interested,whoever writes this kinda stuff is in the wrong job they should be comedians

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4507350/Wayne-Rooney-is-not-wanted-by-Europes-big-guns.html

Blatter · 28-08-2012 04:29PM

Griffin1988 wrote: »

Speaking of which, he is another who is banned. Be no-one left soon.

There'll always be a new kid on the block.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i get what your saying and ive no time for Taylor either, BUT, just because something doesnt happen, doesnt mean the journalist is wrong surely?

im pretty sure that we are interested in Gaitan or at least we were, it was all over the Portuguese media and in my opinion the interest was real. lazy journalism perhaps, but we cant use examples of players not signing for us, to beat a writer.

apart from places like the Sun and goal.com who come out with the likes of the Kaka stories and Ashley cole plus other rubbish, i am happy to say that for every 10 players that we are linked with by non rag papers, that maybe 7 or 8 of them are true to an extent, its just most of them dont happen. lots of reason, but United have signed 5 players this summer, we are linked to dembele and one or two more, we were linked to hazard and Lucas and in all fairness, this summer more than anything else should tell you that almost all the united rumours were true in one way or another.

we didnt sign hazard or lucas, but we were damn close to doing so. its the fault of greedy players or agents, not the journalist.

Well I have plenty of time for Taylor, he's had plenty of exclusives that were bang on the money. Enjoy reading his stuff as well, it's clear to me that he has good contacts.

Ogden is just someone who has never impressed me. With regards the Gaitan thing, the reason I don't think we were in for him is because Taylor and somebody else (I think James Ducker) were saying it was nonsense. There wasn't much speculation over the Summer about trying to get Gaitan either, usually you would hear a bit if there was any truth to it.

I believe we were in for Hazard and Baines, Fergie confirmed we were in for Lucas so I agree that just because a player doesn't come, it doesn't mean a journalist was lying. I wasn't belittling the Gaitan story because he didn't come, but because I didn't rate the journalists that reported it and I did rate the journalists that said it was nonsense.

Ogden and a lot of the other journalists make a living from rehashing continental news stories and putting their own spin on tabloid gossip. Other journalists actually have decent contacts within clubs.

homerjay2005 · 28-08-2012 04:40PM

Blatter wrote: »

, but because I didn't rate the journalists that reported it and I did rate the journalists that said it was nonsense.

i think on this instance, Taylor was wrong and just got lucky. suppose the only way that can be prooved either way is if gaitan eventually signs for us.

Drumpot · 28-08-2012 05:01PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

And as for Adebayor it's reported that it works out Spurs are paying £100k p/w to him, kind of another reason I'd think they're giving Bale that sort of money now too.

I read Spurs were paying him €75k per week and city were paying him €100k per week!

Adamcp898 · 28-08-2012 05:05PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I read Spurs were paying him €75k per week and city were paying him €100k per week!

As I said in a post above reports of anyone's wages can never be taken as accurate given they're never ever disclosed but here's one report on the way the deal was apparantly done

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/9490747/Tottenham-confirm-signing-of-Emmanuel-Adebayor-from-Manchester-City-in-deal-worth-9m.html

Jimmy Iovine · 28-08-2012 05:53PM

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G.K. · 28-08-2012 05:54PM

Mighty bizarre.

Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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