Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 01:04AM

Aren't we always joking about Fergie and his love for wingers? Last year we were saying we have loads. Now we are looking to play narrower and sell 1 winger and everyone is panicing.

To be honest I can see Welbeck and Rooney playing the wider roles up front now when all are fit. Kagawa can drift wide aswell. He does for Japan.

You guys know your stuff more than me to be honest so I'm probably on a limb with this one but I can't see the problem with it. (Only If a player is brought in with the money).

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 01:09AM

kryogen wrote: »

Nani has consistently said he is very happy at the club, there is no reason to think his demands are ridiculous, he should be paid in line with the top bracket of players at the club, he has earned that and he is entering his prime, this will more then likely be his last big contract, this stuff comes out a lot when players are negotiating their last big contracts. They do their best to get the best deal possible, the club normally does its best to save as much money as possible. It has happened before with plenty of players at United, even Roy Keane.

I can't see what club has the money and the need for Nani and can't see him accepting a move to Russia, he is more ambitious then that.

They haven't come to an agreement so that would be the reason to think they don't see eye to eye on his worth in terms of wages.
I wouldn't agree with him being paid in line with the top guys. But thats just me.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:11AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Come on, Who called it first??????? Who thought Jame Gumb was Sean? Fair play to anyone who spotted it. The sacred cow thing was spotted by someone?

Don't wanna go off topic but this is funny stuff.

Blatter was certainly amongst the first to spot it, well he was the first the say it to me anyway

Jimmy Iovine · 28-08-2012 01:12AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Aren't we always joking about Fergie and his love for wingers? Last year we were saying we have loads. Now we are looking to play narrower and sell 1 winger and everyone is panicing.

To be honest I can see Welbeck and Rooney playing the wider roles up front now when all are fit. Kagawa can drift wide aswell. He does for Japan.

You guys know your stuff more than me to be honest so I'm probably on a limb with this one but I can't see the problem with it. (Only If a player is brought in with the money).

The problems occur when players get injured. In the past Valencia and Nani have both had to take a lot of time off because of injuries. This is where you need your back up.

Look at our defence. We have more than enough centre halves yet we only have one fit one at the moment, who just came back from a serious injury himself.

Then look at Rooney. He's facing 2 months out if the papers are to be believed. If we didn't buy RVP and Kagawa then we'd be screwed.

On paper it looks like we have enough options but I'm pretty certain that if we sell Nani we will not have Young, Rooney, Welbeck, Valencia and Kagawa all fit at the same time. Then three of those players also have to cover the forward positions.

We can't afford to sell Nani really.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:15AM

GSPfan wrote: »

They haven't come to an agreement so that would be the reason to think they don't see eye to eye on his worth in terms of wages.
I wouldn't agree with him being paid in line with the top guys. But thats just me.

They haven't come to an agreement yet means very little tbh, look how long Welbeck took to tie down for example.

The bolded part

Why?

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 01:15AM

Anyone know if Angelo Henriquez is ever played out wide? Maybe Buttner has been brought in for Nani's role!

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:16AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Aren't we always joking about Fergie and his love for wingers? Last year we were saying we have loads. Now we are looking to play narrower and sell 1 winger and everyone is panicing.

To be honest I can see Welbeck and Rooney playing the wider roles up front now when all are fit. Kagawa can drift wide aswell. He does for Japan.

You guys know your stuff more than me to be honest so I'm probably on a limb with this one but I can't see the problem with it. (Only If a player is brought in with the money).

If he was selling Young Id be pretty happay with that, its selling the wrong winger that would be a problem. Not exactly panic though is it? Kinda more, disagreement with the hypothetical situation.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:19AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Anyone know if Angelo Henriquez is ever played out wide? Maybe Buttner has been brought in for Nani's role!

Henriquez is a striker and he is lethal

Was one of my favourite players in South America this season, I have never seen him play wide and to do so would be a waste of his ability imho.

He is very quick and very clinical, natural striker.

Just An Opinion · 28-08-2012 01:24AM

kryogen wrote: »

GSPfan wrote: »

Anyone know if Angelo Henriquez is ever played out wide? Maybe Buttner has been brought in for Nani's role!

Henriquez is a striker and he is lethal Was one of my favourite players in South America this season, I have never seen him play wide and to do so would be a waste of his ability imho.

He is very quick and very clinical, natural striker.

Is the immediate plan for Henriquez to be loaned back for a year or two or to be a squad player? Wasn't the clubs hand forced on bringing him early after interest in him increased?

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 01:25AM

kryogen wrote: »

They haven't come to an agreement yet means very little tbh, look how long Welbeck took to tie down for example.

The bolded part

Why?

Ah I don't want to say anything specifically critical about Nani because it leads people to assume I hate him and then we get insulting posts based on a false premise.

I just don't rate him as highly as some seem to. I don't think he is as important a player to the team as say Rooney or Scholes or Giggs or Rio or Vidic has been. (Them being Top earners and in great form at the time of signing big contracts.) I generally think he has been good but I've never felt like he carried the team at any stage. Thats why I wouldn't rate him as a top earner. I don't begrudge him a good wage but if I was holding the purse strings I wouldn't be emptying it on the table for him.

In short, I can see why United aren't begging him to sign a contract. It may be a negotiating tool for United also so who knows.

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 01:26AM

kryogen wrote: »

If he was selling Young Id be pretty happay with that, its selling the wrong winger that would be a problem. Not exactly panic though is it? Kinda more, disagreement with the hypothetical situation.

Not you specifically, but there has been severe reactions to the notion of selling Nani today which has surprised me.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:27AM

Just An Opinion wrote: »

Is the immediate plan for Henriquez to be loaned back for a year or two or to be a squad player? Wasn't the clubs hand forced on bringing him early after interest in him increased?

Fergie said something along the lines of an option is only an option for so long and he felt they needed to act, hasnt mentioned anything about him going back on loan there that I know of. Said he was due in Manchester after he is done with the national team iirc

Hope he stays at the club till January at least, maybe even give him a run out at some stage in the CC or something. Slightly excited about him for some reason.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:33AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Ah I don't want to say anything specifically critical about Nani because it leads people to assume I hate him and then we get insulting posts based on a false premise.

I just don't rate him as highly as some seem to. I don't think he is as important a player to the team as say Rooney or Scholes or Giggs or Rio or Vidic has been. (Them being Top earners and in great form at the time of signing big contracts.) I generally think he has been good but I've never felt like he carried the team at any stage. Thats why I wouldn't rate him as a top earner. I don't begrudge him a good wage but if I was holding the purse strings I wouldn't be emptying it on the table for him.

In short, I can see why United aren't begging him to sign a contract. It may be a negotiating tool for United also so who knows.

The thing is though, at times he has carried the team, and statistically alone he can feel he should be in the high earners bracket.

I dont think he would be demanding parity with Rooney but looking to be in the bracket with the highest earners is not unreasonable to me. He should be getting paid more then Welbeck/Hernandez/Rafael/Young/Clev/Ando etc etc etc

The fact is that he is one of the best wingers in the world, and he is right to look to be paid accordingly. United have always had a policy of low balling the player first and sometimes it drags out. Welbeck with all his love for and connection to the club refused to sign what was offered to him for a while. Nani should be no different tbh.

If they share a common goal to keep Nani at the club, a deal will be struck, if not it wont and he will be sold. Not much else to say about it really

Winston Payne · 28-08-2012 01:37AM

I think Nani's been very poorly advised. He's changed his terms multiple times and has made it clear that he wishes to stay. He'll be signed but the club will make ourselves and himself sweat bullets before he does.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:38AM

Winston Payne wrote: »

I think Nani's been very poorly advised. He's changed his terms multiple times and has made it clear that he wishes to stay. He'll be signed but the club will make ourselves and himself sweat bullets before he does.

Why do you think hes been poorly advised then? (Since you say he has reduced his asking salary, which I heard also, and that he has made it clear he wants to stay)

Do you think he should be angling a move away to force the clubs hand like?

Paul Tergat · 28-08-2012 01:39AM

Winston Payne wrote: »

I think Nani's been very poorly advised. He's changed his terms multiple times and has made it clear that he wishes to stay. He'll be signed but the club will make ourselves and himself sweat bullets before he does.

Any source for this mate?

Oh, you meant dropping his wages?

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 01:44AM

kryogen wrote: »

If they share a common goal to keep Nani at the club, a deal will be struck, if not it wont and he will be sold. Not much else to say about it really

Yep. Thats it in a nutshell. I still don't see him being sold though. There's just something weird about it. Seems a bit late in the day for it.

Winston Payne · 28-08-2012 01:46AM

kryogen wrote: »

Why do you think hes been poorly advised then? (Since you say he has reduced his asking salary, which I heard also, and that he has made it clear he wants to stay)

Do you think he should be angling a move away to force the clubs hand like?

His agent or whoever is representing him should have had better tactics in play. He's shown his hand very, very early. The smart thing to do would be to say "Well, I wouldn't mind staying, but...". He's done the exact opposite. Now, instead of him getting to play hardball, the club is. Personally I'm very happy with the way he's conducted himself. It's honest and it's very encouraging to hear him say that he wants to stay. I think we ought to stop messing around or else that's at risk of changing.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 01:47AM

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Any source for this mate?

Oh, you meant dropping his wages?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/nani-fears-hes-being-forced-887156

Will it do?

There was also this which seems to have gone unnoticed?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9491377/Manchester-United-are-to-reject-any-offers-for-Nani-or-Javier-Hernandez-during-this-transfer-window.html

While United are to step up efforts to secure transfers or loans for fringe players such as Dimitar Berbatov, Federico Macheda and Bebe between now and the Aug 31 deadline, senior figures at Old Trafford have insisted that the club “will not entertain” attempts to prise Nani or Hernández from Ferguson’s squad.

Russian champions Zenit St Petersburg are keen to sign Nani, with coach Luciano Spalletti revealing last Friday that contact has been made with United over the Portuguese winger. And Hernández was at the centre of unconfirmed interest from Arsenal and Chelsea following the £22 million signing of Robin van Persie last week.

Mexican forward Hernández, absent from the squad on duty at Everton on Monday, is prepared to fight for his place at United according to his representative, who has insisted that the 24 year-old has no intention of leaving Old Trafford unless the club chooses to listen to offers.

Although Nani, 25, has yet to agree on a new contract to replace the final two years of his current deal, he started the defeat at Everton and has been assured that he is still a key part of Ferguson’s plans.

Having spent almost £50 million on new signings this summer with the purchases of Van Persie, Shinji Kagawa, Nick Powell and Dutch left-back Alexander Buttner, who completed his £3.9 million transfer from Vitesse Arnhem on Tuesday, United are now focused on offloading those players deemed surplus to requirements.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 02:00AM

I did come across this article and found it pretty good.

The latest reports, rumours, conjecture and tweets suggest that everyone’s favourite Michael Jackson circa 1984 lookalike Luis Carlos Almeida Da Cunha could be on his way out of Old Trafford.

Nani fears that he is being forced out of Manchester United after being stunned by the club’s reluctance to hand him a new contract.

The Portuguese winger still has two years left on his existing deal, but was hoping to get a pay rise that would bring him more in line with the club’s top earners.

But talks have become deadlocked – even though Nani has reduced his demands twice in a bid to broker an agreement.

Now the 25-year-old is starting to feel that perhaps United are getting ready to cash in on him while his value is at its highest.

Sir Alex Ferguson has Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia to play on the wings and the United boss felt that Nani’s form suffered last season

For starters I’m fully aware that the entire Mirror story could be about as accurate as one of Nani’s poorer shots but there may be some credence to the idea the Portuguese man is far from happy.

If Nani were to depart, it could be a disastrous blow to United and here’s ten reasons why we need to keep the former Sporting Lisbon man.

1. 28 goals and 32 assists in his last two seasons shows Nani is one of the most effective wingers in the world.

2. Do we want to win the Champions League? Then surely a man who on his day is capable of tearing apart any defence is worth keeping.

3. If Antonio Valencia or Ashley Young get injured, who’s our next option if Nani leaves? Danny Welbeck out wide? Ryan Giggs? Kagawa? None of those players are best suited to the wings and it would be detrimental to the side to play them there.

4. THAT celebration- still the best I’ve ever seen at Old Trafford- remember the cringeworthy Ince and Giggs routine days?

5. “The Nani Show”- You know what I mean, the sheer unpredictable drama that comes with every single Nani performance. The theatrics, the trickery, the arguing and the sublime. Yes, he can frustrate but Nani is one of only three or four United players that you can call an out-and-out match winner.

6. Forget Ronaldo. Let’s stop expecting Nani to emulate one of the greatest footballers that’s ever played the game and just appreciate the fact he’s a hugely gifted footballer we’re fortunate to have.

7. He’s improving and will only be better next season. Nani’s goals/assists per game ratio has increased over the past few seasons as he’s become more and more influential. Do we really want to see him enjoy his best years elsewhere?

8. He brings out the best in Wayne Rooney Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck. The quick ‘no time to think’ football Nani often plays with Rooney and Welbeck, brings out the best in Rooney and highlights Welbeck’s superior two touch ability. I’ve not given up hope that Cleverley can make an impact on United’s first team next season and he certainly seemed to shine with Nani linking up with him.

9. Where do you think the money will go if we do sell him? A bid for Messi perhaps? Or maybe a new tier for the stadium? No. The money will go to furnishing the club’s debts or maybe buying the Glazers a new wing to their mansion.

10. You cannot rely on Ashley Young all season. I’m sorry but despite it being a good first season for Young, the former Villa man did go through a somewhat mediocre spell for a large chunk of the season, should he do that again, Nani will be needed more than ever.

There’s my reasons for not wanting to see Nani leave, feel free to expand, reiterate or disagree below:

I pretty much agree with all the reasons there

J. Marston · 28-08-2012 02:08AM

Miguel Delaney ‏@MiguelDelaney
@Martsmac Nani stormed out of Old Trafford when he found out he wasn't in the team

Miguel Delaney ‏@MiguelDelaney
@MoVoJo Ferguson is trying to get rid. They may not find a buyer though

I'll be fúcking annoyed if we sell Nani. Buy Kagawa and RVP, sell Nani. Definition of two steps forward, one step back.

Professional Griefer · 28-08-2012 02:11AM

Stormed out? Jesus christ thats childish.

kryogen · 28-08-2012 02:13AM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Stormed out? Jesus christ thats childish.

To my knowledge, there has been absolutely no confirmation of anything of the sort. It is more then likely bull**** tbh. Very easy story to write at the moment sure.

Winston Payne · 28-08-2012 02:16AM

Delaney has form for taking other people's information and passing it off as his own on Twitter. He might have heard that and just ran with it without bothering to check if it was true. I think he should steer clear of Twitter. His articles are decent enough.

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 02:18AM

You'd think Fergie or Nani should have been asked the question by now as to what is going on! Seems very quiet from official sources. That could be telling us something in itself.

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 02:21AM

J. Marston wrote: »

I'll be fúcking annoyed if we sell Nani. Buy Kagawa and RVP, sell Nani. Definition of two steps forward, one step back.

But that still leaves us one step forward!

kryogen · 28-08-2012 02:22AM

GSPfan wrote: »

You'd think Fergie or Nani should have been asked the question by now as to what is going on! Seems very quiet from official sources. That could be telling us something in itself.

Did you not read the Telegraph article I posted?

By the by, is this Zenith thing not an exact re hash of the reports from them about a month ago? Same quotes used etc?

WTF does this quote even mean?

When asked whether Zenit had made a bid, he said: “I’m not talking about an offer to a particular player, but an offer to a club.'

In the same breath as saying he was interested in Nani (must have been about a month ago) he also named Messi.

Are Barca fans worried?

J. Marston · 28-08-2012 02:23AM

GSPfan wrote: »

But that still leaves us one step forward!

But it could have been two!

GSPfan · 28-08-2012 02:29AM

Kryogen - Yeah but that article was from before the weekend. Things seem to have changed since then. Sure didn't he storm out of Old Trafford at the weekend. FACT!

kryogen · 28-08-2012 02:32AM

GSPfan wrote: »

Kryogen - Yeah but that article was from before the weekend. Things seem to have changed since then. Sure didn't he storm out of Old Trafford at the weekend. FACT!

He also slapped Fergie across the face with a fish I heard

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