Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

cloptrop · 27-08-2012 08:15PM

Spurs seem to have their attentions elsewhere with shaktar donesk .
They bid for some fella from the black eyed peas today . Will i am i tgunk he was called.

IvySlayer · 27-08-2012 08:18PM

Spurs are after M'vila.

PS Keno is a nerd

Al Capwned · 27-08-2012 08:20PM

kippy wrote: »

The amount of money he gets paid, is probably irrelevant to be honest. The point is they are getting paid money (i.e they are professionals) to play football.
Professionals, allegedly at the top of their game with the best of facilities and staff available to them and nothing to do all week outside of practicising to play football.

The "variables" you are speaking off, are:
1. Not as variable as you make out.
2. Only two, what are the other ones that make up this "huge" amount?
The "variables" are nowhere near as relevant as you appear to believe. The dimensions of the pitch don't change a huge amount from game to game (they are the exact same for every home game) the ball is almost always of the exact same type (throughout a single season) the size of the box and six yard box don't change, the type of boots that you wear generally don't change (remember lots of sports science goes into this so you have the "best gear") and usually the height of your team mates doesn't change.
I wouldn't be of the opinion that they need to get the ball into the exact same place all the time, but they should be able to ensure the ball doesn't hit the first obstacle it can hit, unless the kicker has intended this to happen.

I don't get the point about the speed of the ball. Again, this is something that can be practised and should be practised. They are "trying" to do something, surely they try to do the exact same thing in training over and over again? Isn't that how it should work for set piece specialists?

And what about my point about the fact that so many pro footballers have a "poor" left foot? Why do pro footballers not have the ability to train in order to improve their "bad" foot. I mean, surely this would be a great benefit over time? What are the variables involved there?

Footballers are human, they are indeed "allowed" to make mistakes, just like the referees and officials that work with them, however consistent "mistakes", especially when it involves set pieces, isn't something that I believe should be let off.

Yeah, I played football and a few other sports, but I never trained and played it full time with access to the best resources available and was regarded as a human at the top of my chosen profession for it.

Look I'm not going to get into a tit for tat exchange with you over small details. Nor am I going to pick at your post.

The fact is, that to expect a footballer, professional or otherwise, to be able to reproduce the exact same outcome each time from similar situations is completely is just unfair, to say the least....

I was as frustrated as anyone this time last week at Nani's deliveries, but to throw out the argument that he's a professional and should be able to do it every time is just wrong.

Paul Tergat · 27-08-2012 08:22PM

alproctor wrote: »

Look I'm not going to get into a tit for tat exchange with you over small details. Nor am I going to pick at your post.

The fact is, that to expect a footballer, professional or otherwise, to be able to reproduce the exact same outcome each time from similar situations is completely is just unfair, to say the least....

I was as frustrated as anyone this time last week at Nani's deliveries, but to throw out the argument that he's a professional and should be able to do it every time is just wrong.

I agree with you here mate, they are human after all.

I was surprised you said that its possible to do this in darts though.

kippy · 27-08-2012 08:26PM

alproctor wrote: »

Look I'm not going to get into a tit for tat exchange with you over small details. Nor am I going to pick at your post.

The fact is, that to expect a footballer, professional or otherwise, to be able to reproduce the exact same outcome each time from similar situations is completely is just unfair, to say the least....

I was as frustrated as anyone this time last week at Nani's deliveries, but to throw out the argument that he's a professional and should be able to do it every time is just wrong.

80-90% of the time it should be doable. I'm not expecting the same outcome, that should be even easier to do than have an idea of where you want to put the ball and actually putting it there. I'm not pointing the finger exclusively at Nani either.

And again, I'd like to hear your opinions on the "bad" feet that a lot of players tend to have.....

Al Capwned · 27-08-2012 08:34PM

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I agree with you here mate, they are human after all.

I was surprised you said that its possible to do this in darts though.

It's the whole thing about a repeated action in darts - it's a similar thing to a golf swing imo - If you can reproduce the same throw, or swing, you can feasibly expect similar results - i.e. more consistency in accuracy.

There is however, the fact that in football, you have to run, walk, sprint, get into position, talk to your team mates, kick, head (catch), throw etc. and take corners.

There is obviously a larger skillset in football than in darts or golf, and perhaps that is why it's possible for darts players or golfers to achieve amazingly consistent results.

DM_7 · 27-08-2012 08:43PM

Also Golf and dart players are doing it from a standing position. Footballers have to approach the ball for a set piece that introduces a new variable. Rugby players do it but the ball is propped up for them and they are striking the ball in a differant way.

For a footballer to get golf/Rugby like consistency - They would have to set a stride pattern that allows them to get their standing foot in the same position every time as they approach the ball as well as get their body position spot on (every time) to allow their kicking foot to follow through on a consistant plane.

As proved by Ronaldo's free kicks (as he has developed a set style of approaching the ball to get consistency) it is very hard to achieve the same strike on the ball every time.

My opinion anyway:)

kippy · 27-08-2012 08:49PM

Anyone any thoughts on my "bad foot" and solutions to it? Surely all that takes is training?

I am fairly surprised that most fans here seem to think its perfectly acceptable for corners to hit the first man on a relatively consistent basis.

Al Capwned · 27-08-2012 08:51PM

kippy wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on my "bad foot" and solutions to it? Surely all that takes is training?
I am fairly surprised that most fans here seem to think its perfectly acceptable for corners to hit the first man on a relatively consistent basis.

I dont think anyone said it was acceptable tbf.

kippy · 27-08-2012 08:52PM

alproctor wrote: »

I dont think anyone said it was acceptable tbf.

You've been making excuses for it for the past 5 posts.....
I can only assume you believe it to be acceptable......
Humans make mistakes etc. variables, etc

Al Capwned · 27-08-2012 08:54PM

kippy wrote: »

You've be making excuses for it for the past 5 posts.....

I also said I wan't getting into a tit for tat exchange with you. I never said it was acceptable. It is bloody frustrating.

What I was trying to say in my 'last 5 posts' was that it was understandable. You don't think so, I do. Let's move on.

GSPfan · 27-08-2012 08:55PM

alproctor wrote: »

I dont think anyone said it was acceptable tbf.

No one has said it but you are implying it.

Mars Bar · 27-08-2012 08:56PM

Berbatov's Facebook

Everything is going to be ok, stay calm, but me and my agent, we need to eat too:))..And don't read to many newspapers, they write whatever they want..:))..

DM_7 · 27-08-2012 08:57PM

kippy wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on my "bad foot" and solutions to it? Surely all that takes is training?

I am fairly surprised that most fans here seem to think its perfectly acceptable for corners to hit the first man on a relatively consistent basis.

You are right about the bad foot thing.

I wouldn't say you are wrong about corners either, I added my own opinion to the reasons why it happens.

Nani could spend his days practising his corners and neglect something else if he really wanted too.

kippy · 27-08-2012 08:59PM

alproctor wrote: »

I also said I wan't getting into a tit for tat exchange with you. I never said it was acceptable. It is bloody frustrating.

What I was trying to say in my 'last 5 posts' was that it was understandable. You don't think so, I do. Let's move on.

You haven't addressed my other points either.

If you don't want to discuss the points raised, then fair enough, but nothing I am bringing up is "tit for tat".

GSPfan · 27-08-2012 09:00PM

Hope to god it means Berbatov gets a move to a good club. Would hate to see him still at United this year cause it will only be on the bench. Such a waste.

TheTownie · 27-08-2012 09:04PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

Spurs are after M'vila.

PS Keno is a nerd

Jax Teller · 27-08-2012 09:06PM

Can we let Berba go now with Rooney out for potentially 2 months ?

Cantona's Collars · 27-08-2012 09:07PM

Ryan Giggs has been taking corners for the 1st team for 21 years & still hits the first man.Face it,we are cursed with "first man syndrome".

GSPfan · 27-08-2012 09:10PM

sofireland wrote: »

Only caught a little of sky sports news about united being in for their fifth signing, do we know if this is Dembele?

Just watched SSN there and the 5th signing is.......... Angelo Henriquez.

He isn't officially signed so that's why they aren't counting him yet.

Powell, Kagawa, Van Persie, Buttner, Henriquez.

Smegball · 27-08-2012 09:10PM

Feel so sorry for Berbatov, least he's keeping his chin up. Hope he finds a good club if he does leave and gets the adulation he deserves.

GSPfan · 27-08-2012 09:11PM

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

Can we let Berba go now with Rooney out for potentially 2 months ?

Definitely. We are well stocked. IMO.

Will I Amnt · 27-08-2012 09:19PM

I don't think it's acceptable at all to consistently fail to beat the first man from corners.
Nani should have been stopped taking them a long time ago,he's been shìt at them in fairness.
I'd rather he was successful in floating in 9/10 corners than whipping in 1/10.

GSPfan · 27-08-2012 09:22PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

I don't think it's acceptable at all to consistently fail to beat the first man from corners.
Nani should have been stopped taking them a long time ago,he's been shìt at them in fairness.
I'd rather he was successful in floating in 9/10 corners than whipping in 1/10.

You have taken the Lords name in vain. Expect a backlash.

Blatter · 27-08-2012 09:25PM

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

Can we let Berba go now with Rooney out for potentially 2 months ?

Of course. I think someone already pointed out that Rooney won't actually miss that many games for us. For the 6-8 games he'll be missing, Kag, Danny, Chico and RVP will be more than enough to carry us. We'd cope pretty well without Rooney for the season tbh, we have great options up front.

Will I Amnt · 27-08-2012 09:26PM

@GSPfan
Its a weak part of his game,which overall I rate as excellent.
If someone doesn't agree I don't really care tbh.

I'm not Jame Gumb.............or Sean Bateman as it turns out.
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056738774?page=1#post_80467244

MD1990 · 27-08-2012 09:27PM

i think Man U will struggle in Europe this season if they continue to not put pressure on the ball
Bilbao made fools of them last year because there in no pressure put on the ball until the final third of the pitch
& Fulham had good possesion for the same reason

Will I Amnt · 27-08-2012 09:29PM

MD1990 wrote: »

i think Man U will struggle in Europe this season if they continue to not put pressure on the ball
Bilbao made fools of them last year because there in no pressure put on the ball until the final third of the pitch
& Fulham had good possesion for the same reason

Why do you think we all want a CM????

Blatter · 27-08-2012 09:29PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

@GSPfan
Its a weak part of his game,which overall I rate as excellent.
If someone doesn't agree I don't really care tbh.

I'm not Jame Gumb.............or Sean Bateman as it turns out.
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056738774?page=1#post_80467244

lol, it was obviously him. His posting style was so unique and it was the exact same.

Thing is, I'd prefer if he wasn't banned. He wasn't trolling this time around, he was a very good contributor.

GSPfan · 27-08-2012 09:32PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

@GSPfan
Its a weak part of his game,which overall I rate as excellent.
If someone doesn't agree I don't really care tbh.

I'm not Jame Gumb.............or Sean Bateman as it turns out.
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056738774?page=1#post_80467244

Haha. I agree with ya. But the Nani police wont.

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