Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

tayto lover · 26-08-2012 08:31PM

BINKY NIPPER wrote: »

In it to win it? You serious? Arsenal haven't won anything in 7 going in to 8 seasons. Strange comment tbh

So what?
What is strange about wanting and expecting to win?
Being happy with Top 4 is all very well but I want to win it. We can and should aim higher. The fact that we have won nothing since 05 does not change my aspirations either. Also we have won it when other teams spent big in the past. The size of the cheque book should not and does not automatically win the league thank God.

BINKY NIPPER · 26-08-2012 08:34PM

tayto lover wrote: »

So what?
The size of the cheque book should not and does not automatically win the league thank God.

Did last year for City and could well do this season for Chelsea.

Soups123 · 26-08-2012 08:37PM

BINKY NIPPER wrote: »

tayto lover wrote: »

So what?
The size of the cheque book should not and T does not automatically win the league thank God.

Did last year for City and could well do this season for Chelsea.

but it didn't for Chelski or united who spent two, 10 teams can spend one can win it.

A club like Arsenal have to go into every season looking to win it

tayto lover · 26-08-2012 08:40PM

BINKY NIPPER wrote: »

Did last year for City and could well do this season for Chelsea.

It might and it might not. It didn't for City the season before.
Winning the league is about formulating a winning mentality early on in the season and believing you can beat anyone. We've done that before with players who were not household names.

KINGVictor · 26-08-2012 08:53PM

gosplan wrote: »

Damn right.

I'm guessing some of the moaning is coming from people who thought we could challenge for the title this year.

Just give them a chance either way people. This should be a settled team for the next 2 -3 years. Stop judging them on two weeks.

I agree with your assertion about the unrealistic expectations from some folks- unless a miracle occurs, we are not winning the league this year and definitely not the Champions league. I would just be content with a top 3 finish and at worst 4th. It will be nice to get some kind of title though,carling cup or whatever just to get the players motivated.

Your second point I disagree with because we currently have a Carzola, Arteta who are almost in their 30s- basically in their prime and would want some sort of titles before they fade away. Santi is already been quoted as a brilliant signing for us this summer- we all know he would probably be the next to be hunted by the richer clubs and trust me he would gladly leave if he senses any lack of short term ambition.

This season should be about building a strong squad with purpose and translating those potentials to winning the league and getting to at least the C. League semis in 2014.

gosplan · 26-08-2012 09:00PM

tayto lover wrote: »

It might and it might not. It didn't for City the season before.

Wouldn't be that all those new players took a year to bed in and form an effective team under their new manager.

tayto lover · 26-08-2012 09:36PM

gosplan wrote: »

Wouldn't be that all those new players took a year to bed in and form an effective team under their new manager.

I think you'll find that every year Man Utd won it they had new players.
The new player thing does not seem to effect all teams, a pile of debutants scored last week. I already said weeks ago that it was a pity we didn't have more games before the start of the league but you have to do with what you have.

Marty McFly · 26-08-2012 09:44PM

Le boss knows

Wenger: "Then, at the beginning of last season, people said to me 'Why do you play RVP up front, he's not a centre-forward.'"

Wenger on Jamie Redknapp's criticism of Giroud and Podolski: "I've been in football everyday for 30 years, not everyone can say that."

greendom · 26-08-2012 09:59PM

Anyone recognise these 2? And who's that in yellow at the back ?

G.K. · 26-08-2012 10:01PM

Arteta and Alonso?

greendom · 26-08-2012 10:04PM

G.K. wrote: »

Arteta and Alonso?

yes well done - and the auld fella ?

pandaboy · 26-08-2012 10:05PM

Look at the merits of today's game. What a difference when it came to defence! Like Podolski was on fire when running back to claim the ball and showed some immense physical strength, I really thought it was Gibbs at time making those interceptions! A big difference from last year and definitely something that will prove fruitful for the bigger games. Giroud was also great at tracking back, winning the ball and moving the game forward.

I think physically, we are pretty much a better team than last year. Midfield was strong, I thought Diaby to be the weak link at parts. Thought he could've been sharper and more alert but considering it's his second outing, against Stoke!!! AWAY!!! and he's pretty much unscathed from that.

Would have liked Walcott and Ox to have come on earlier, by about 5 mins or so. They improved the bottleneck in attack and maybe if they had those extra minutes, something would have been pushed through.

Still though, Stoke played well. Those with high expectations of Arsenal are forgetting how well Stoke played today! They showed some better counter attacking football than Arsenal for some parts of the game but were pushed out for the majority. I don't think I saw Mannone in any one on one situations and no last gasp saves either.

Chelski may be 7 points ahead but tbh, that game against Reading was a freak result. I really couldn't see another squad (other than QPR) spurning a good result like that. Newcastle played cat the other night. A don't know if it was lethargy from the Europa match, but they looked pretty muggy on the pitch. Hazard, has pretty much been the stand out player for Chelsea thus far. I can't see them pushing at the same pace they're going at now. So I don't fear the fact that we are pretty much undefeated thus far in the league, have a much more physical attack, more co-ordinated defence and a midfield that's prepared to do more than give the ball to the wing.

Marty McFly · 26-08-2012 10:06PM

:pac::pac::pac: WTF were that from?

Its Wenger in the back aint it?

greendom · 26-08-2012 10:13PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: WTF were that from?

Lord knows

Its Wenger in the back aint it?

Absolutely - this man does his research

pandaboy · 26-08-2012 10:19PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac: WTF were that from?

Its Wenger in the back aint it?

Wenger's got the golden touch. Sent by Zeus to anoint the players of the future! I wonder how big his notebook of players throughout his career is!

Also, a big what if here but, Giroud's little acrobatic attempt at a shot today. I know it wasn't bang on the money but for a guy the commentators are now saying is low in confidence, pretty much negates their opinion! He's throwing himself in to everything pretty much and has added to play. This is a completely different game to his time at Montpellier. He could play and stay high at Montpellier and rely on the AM to feed him some great balls. Quite like Chamakh & Gourcouff at Bordeaux. If he comes good in the next few games, I think we've got our hands on a whole new type of Arsenal striker! Especially if he can come good with Podolski!

26-08-2012 10:20PM

greendom wrote: »

Absolutely - this man does his research

I heard he started the negotiations for Arteta's signature then

efb · 26-08-2012 10:25PM

greendom wrote: »

Anyone recognise these 2? And who's that in yellow at the back ?

yoink- stolen for Facebook!

26-08-2012 10:26PM

More ammunition for the paedo brigade....

dvemail · 26-08-2012 10:37PM

greendom wrote: »

Anyone recognise these 2? And who's that in yellow at the back ?

Wenger in the back is a photoshop. Here's the real one.

People really do hate Wenger.

gosplan · 26-08-2012 10:51PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I think you'll find that every year Man Utd won it they had new players.
The new player thing does not seem to effect all teams, a pile of debutants scored last week. I already said weeks ago that it was a pity we didn't have more games before the start of the league but you have to do with what you have.

Adding young and welbeck to a title winning squad and adding Kagawa and RVP to a team that lost the title on goals scored is not, by any means, the same thing as adding three new players to the starting lineup and losing your most experienced attacker and midfielder.

But continue to pick holes, why should reality stop you.

greendom · 26-08-2012 10:55PM

dvemail wrote: »

Wenger in the back is a photoshop. Here's the real one.

People really do hate Wenger.

Shame - and people were really using that to knock Wenger ? The mind boggles.

KINGVictor · 26-08-2012 10:56PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Le boss knows

Wenger: "Then, at the beginning of last season, people said to me 'Why do you play RVP up front, he's not a centre-forward.'"

Wenger on Jamie Redknapp's criticism of Giroud and Podolski: "I've been in football everyday for 30 years, not everyone can say that."

Personally I think no one should take J.Redknapp's comments seriously, bet he thinks there might be a potential opening for Da at the Emirates- well in his dreams.

I love Carzola and the way he has instantly made an impact but I just have that feeling that Giroud is going to be another Henry for us- essentially the best signing this summer.

wandatowell · 26-08-2012 10:58PM

I was gonna say that Arsene hasnt aged a day in 25 years lol

MD1990 · 26-08-2012 10:59PM

Redknapp was very harsh on Poolski & Giroud
if they were British they would have been praised for there performances

Marty McFly · 26-08-2012 11:04PM

KINGVictor wrote: »

Personally I think no one should take J.Redknapp's comments seriously, bet he thinks there might be a potential opening for Da at the Emirates- well in his dreams.

I love Carzola and the way he has instantly made an impact but I just have that feeling that Giroud is going to be another Henry for us- essentially the best signing this summer.

I agree Jamie Redknapp has to be the worst football pundit around really is shocking although the lads on MOTD usually arent much better, the best one by a country mile who talks like a man educated in football and who its reallo pains me to admit is Gary Neville hated him as a player but as a pundit he fantastic.

Im liking Cazorla and Giroud myself but for me I was loving Podolski the most today they way he trakced back was not being bullied at all pushing players off the ball and when he did get hold of it you could tell he only had one thoguht get towards that goal as fast as possible taking on players linking up well with Cazorla etc admittedly he faded badly in the sconed half but id put that down to fitness.

Royale with Cheese · 26-08-2012 11:05PM

Redknapp is just an idiot. With van persie going to United, there is a very easy story for the press to tell about how arsenal can't cope without him. Podolski had a very good first half yet at half time Redknapp had decided he was rubbish. Then again if Podolski was awful but managed to score, Redknapp would probably praise him. He's just a sh*t pundit in general.

Giroud I was less impressed with but you could hardly say he was awful.

bad2dabone · 26-08-2012 11:07PM

Redknapp is useless.

Love his Mrs though.

keano_afc · 27-08-2012 07:01AM

Arteta's hair gets even more legendary. Its looks the exact same today.

emergingstar · 27-08-2012 10:25AM

Crazy Monday rumour, wouldn't mind it been true though

Everton close to signing mvila
We're closing in on fellani

pandaboy · 27-08-2012 10:26AM

Read this morning's Arseblog. Quite interesting about Arteta playing the deeper role. It made me realise, had he been playing higher in the Diaby's position & we had a DM replacement already, we could've had a win yesterday.

I was looking over some of his appearances from last year and the amount he contributed to the midfield attack was unreal. We missed that a lot yesterday. We could've pushed more through the centre giving the wider guys more time to get into the box. Giroud would've had more opportunity as well. Diaby played well yesterday but I really think if Arteta played there and we had adequate cover for DM, it would've been a more fruitful game. Also, in hindsight, Gervinho could've played better and shown more responsibility for the ball. If we had a Ljungberg or a Pires in the same position, they would've made more from the same chances as Gervinho.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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