Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

I am pie · 22-08-2012 01:17PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

If that happens in comparison to the second half of last season you won't be writing the second sentence above in 8 weeks time.

I think you've made your mind up already and have a fairly evident anti-rodgers agenda. I think you're wrong on the above but I guess time will tell.

Kess73 · 22-08-2012 01:18PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Couldn't you excuse absolutely everything using this logic? "Ah sure well I'm sure he is trying!"

Rodgers task is to re-establish us as a top side. In order to do that, we need actions, not good intentions.

Have seen others on here, not necessarily your good self, use a pretty similar excuse for Carroll.

opr · 22-08-2012 01:18PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Surely you end up back at square one when you hire a DoF who doesn't work out?

I've explained a few nights back we were never going to have a DOF under the new structure.

Opr

Yakult · 22-08-2012 01:19PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Two of which were in his mobile phone address book, and a third which cost less than £3m.

Whats your point?

Kess73 · 22-08-2012 01:20PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Two of which were in his mobile phone address book, and a third which cost less than £3m.

Price does not indicate the player quality. After the 2011 transfer windows we should be very aware of that.

Low price does not equal low quality and high prices certainly does not equal high quality.

Chucky the tree · 22-08-2012 01:20PM

opr wrote: »

I've explained a few nights back we were never going to have a DOF under the new structure.

Opr

I honestly just don't get what the structure is. Who makes the final decisions? I mean does this panel meet up and vote on every decision and then what the majority decide they go with? Not to mention who is actually on this panel.

22-08-2012 01:20PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Name me 3 strikers that would not command ridiculous fees that fit the bill, are available and would join a Non-CL team...

It's the job of the scouts and the manager to be scouting strikers. Hopefully he's doing that at the min. Suarez joined us didn't he?

Do you think our strike force is adequate?

Borini could be a success but what if it takes him a year to settle? Suarez is class but not a natural goalscorer. We don't know what the story with Carroll is yet under Rodgers.

Gbear · 22-08-2012 01:24PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Name me 3 strikers that would not command ridiculous fees that fit the bill, are available and would join a Non-CL team...

There's only 9 days left in the window now.

I just noticed that Rubin Kazan (not a CL team) bought Salomon Rondon from Malaga for €13m.

These deals are out there and they have been all summer.

Kingdom · 22-08-2012 01:26PM

Weilliton was only on the bench for Spartak last night Kess, the dream is on maybe??

Cyrus · 22-08-2012 01:26PM

Fowler87 wrote: »

Borini, Allen and provided he contributes some of his Eredivise form, Assaidi definitely have 15-20 goals between them not to mention the assists and link up play to the team. Adebayor wont hit 20 goals this year

not now he has a permanent contract

noodler · 22-08-2012 01:32PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Name me 3 strikers that would not command ridiculous fees that fit the bill, are available and would join a Non-CL team...

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's the job of the scouts and the manager to be scouting strikers. Hopefully he's doing that at the min. Suarez joined us didn't he?

Do you think our strike force is adequate?

Borini could be a success but what if it takes him a year to settle? Suarez is class but not a natural goalscorer. We don't know what the story with Carroll is yet under Rodgers.

Have to agree with Rarnes.

Such a a cop-out to say theat affordable class striker so not exist when we have about 10 "oh we should have signed him" regrets every season.

opr · 22-08-2012 01:33PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I honestly just don't get what the structure is. Who makes the final decisions? I mean does this panel meet up and vote on every decision and then what the majority decide they go with? Not to mention who is actually on this panel.

It's a team of people built around bringing a consistent footballing philosophy to the the club who have huge experience in the relevant areas all of whom are collaborating together to bring about hugely informed decisions on the direction and appointments within the club. The choice we made was to opt instead of this for a manager with absolutely no experience of any kind other than going into a club as a first team coach which already had cultivated the kind of football he wanted to play over the previous 5+ years. The real success story in Swansea is Huw Jenkins. That doesn't mean I don't give credit to Rodgers as a coach but he is only a tiny part of why Swansea are in their current position. It was a big enough risk giving him the Liverpool job as a coach but giving him the power to shape this club is madness.

Opr

Dickerty · 22-08-2012 01:33PM

Gbear wrote: »

There's only 9 days left in the window now.

I just noticed that Rubin Kazan (not a CL team) bought Salomon Rondon from Malaga for €13m.

These deals are out there and they have been all summer.

He's a decent striker, but I was answering the question about why we haven't brought in a top striker. I think this helps my argument - Rondon would have been an option instead of Borini, but Borini fit the bill better and has that history with the boss, and has more potential probably.
But neither is a top striker like Huntelaar, Llorente or Lewandowski. Those are the type of names I think we would be looking at, and are just out of reach to us right now...

Actually, I think we missed out on Bas Dost. If you want the Assaidi highlights, you will see him convert a lot of his chances. Went to Wolfsburg, last month...

Dickerty · 22-08-2012 01:39PM

noodler wrote: »

Have to agree with Rarnes.

Such a a cop-out to say theat affordable class striker do not exist when we have about 10 "oh we should have signed him" regrets every season.

I never said they don't exist, I said the players in our view would not be likely to sign for us.
Do you think we could attract Llorente, for example, without such a huge financial package that he could hardly turn it down?

Kess73 · 22-08-2012 01:40PM

Kingdom wrote: »

Weilliton was only on the bench for Spartak last night Kess, the dream is on maybe??

I can dream.:D

Is exactly the type we need though imho. I think the PL would suit him to a tee and his skillset coupled with his physical qualities would make him a very hard striker to combat.

If your defence likes to take a high line he can kill you with his pace.
If your defence sits deep he has the trickery to work at close quarters.
If a defence wants to outmuscle him, he has decent strength and a combative streak.
If you decide to man mark him he will pull the marker from touchline to touchline as he can work anywhere across the front line.

Then throw in the fact he is good in the air, good with both feet, has a predatory eye for goal, and a weird mix of Brazilian flair and Russian steel to his play. He works his arse off in the final third as well.

Would love to know if he could be tempted from Russia to England. He would not be cheap, but damn he would be worth a risk imho.

Come the end of the transfer window I will most likely still be longing to see him in a Liverpool shirt. With a similar look upon my face as Masherano had when he gazed out of his apartment window once upon a time.

Gbear · 22-08-2012 01:40PM

Dickerty wrote: »

He's a decent striker, but I was answering the question about why we haven't brought in a top striker. I think this helps my argument - Rondon would have been an option instead of Borini, but Borini fit the bill better and has that history with the boss, and has more potential probably.
But neither is a top striker like Huntelaar, Llorente or Lewandowski. Those are the type of names I think we would be looking at, and are just out of reach to us right now...

You didn't say anything about "top" strikers. We're not in the market for them.

There's still plenty of strikers around who'd cost £8m-£15m, could score 10-15 league goals and would be happy to move to a non-CL team, especially if it's Liverpool. We mightn't be able to persuade players to choose us over Arsenal or PSG but surely to **** we can persuade them to come to us rather than other EL or low level CL teams?

We appear to have got one in Borini but that's not enough.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 01:41PM

Yakult wrote: »

Whats your point?

Well its an accusation I've seen levelled at the likes of O' Neill and Keane as managers in recent years - lack of imagination or the ability to see past what they know in their transfer dealing.

Chucky the tree · 22-08-2012 01:41PM

opr wrote: »

It's a team of people built around bringing a consistent footballing philosophy to the the club who have huge experience in the relevant areas all of whom are collaborating together to bring about hugely informed decisions on the direction and appointments within the club. The choice we made was to opt instead of this for a manager with absolutely no experience of any kind other than going into a club as a first team coach which already had cultivated the kind of football he wanted to play over the previous 5+ years. The real success story in Swansea is Huw Jenkins. That doesn't mean I don't give credit to Rodgers as a coach but he is only a tiny part of why Swansea are in their current position. It was a big enough risk giving him the Liverpool job as a coach but giving him the power to shape this club is madness.

Opr

Any idea on how the inner-structure works? As you said, Huw Jenkins is the success story so who would be our Huw Jenkins? It seems our structure was getting lots of successful people but then who would make the actually day-to-day decisions?

Dickerty · 22-08-2012 01:44PM

Gbear wrote: »

You didn't say anything about "top" strikers. We're not in the market for them.

This entire discussion is following on from rarnes comment -

"All I said was Rodgers hasn't brought in a top striker yet"

So that's why I am focusing on those top names, and pointing out how hard they are to secure...

murpho999 · 22-08-2012 02:08PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Couldn't you excuse absolutely everything using this logic? "Ah sure well I'm sure he is trying!"

Rodgers task is to re-establish us as a top side. In order to do that, we need actions, not good intentions.

He still needs time.

Benitez needed 4 seasons before he could get near mounting a title challenge.

Also he actually finished 5th in his first season but Champions league win changed everything.

Vanolder · 22-08-2012 02:10PM

We go from a week of supposed ITK's blabbering non stop about us, to nothing. I dont know which one I prefer

Vicxas · 22-08-2012 02:12PM

Vanolder wrote: »

We go from a week of supposed ITK's blabbering non stop about us, to nothing. I dont know which one I prefer

I'd prefer it on the QT, Like the Assaidi deal

opr · 22-08-2012 02:12PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Any idea on how the inner-structure works? As you said, Huw Jenkins is the success story so who would be our Huw Jenkins? It seems our structure was getting lots of successful people but then who would make the actually day-to-day decisions?

Well for a start it was about getting a person in initially who understands enough about the game and has had experience in the area to put these structures in place. Our owners know nothing about the game and even after the disaster they made with Comolli they have once again let themselves get pushed around by someone they hired who is not qualified to operate at the kind of level he has been given power. This all comes back to them not knowing enough about the game. They are currently our Huw Jenkins which is a disaster!

My starting point would've been to employ someone like Txiki Begiristain/David Dein and let employ the people to shape the structure. If that isn't the route you want to do down and instead you want a manager to shape the club you employ a Cappello, Van Gael not some young manager who has no experience in the area. Lets remember in all this FSG have not ended up with what they wanted after they fired Kenny. I can see if this doesn't work out more speeches from them about how the structure they wanted was never implemented and about how disappointed they're with what has happened but this time they will get it right with a new ground zero plan.

Opr

Vanolder · 22-08-2012 02:15PM

Vicxas wrote: »

I'd prefer it on the QT, Like the Assaidi deal

Agreed.. But I think we all like getting carried away with a bit of drama too. Problem is, with this thread, it goes into overdrive:pac:

Chucky the tree · 22-08-2012 02:21PM

opr wrote: »

Well for a start it was about getting a person in initially who understands enough about the game and has had experience in the area to put these structures in place. Our owners know nothing about the game and even after the disaster they made with Comolli they have once again let themselves get pushed around by someone they hired who is not qualified to operate at the kind of level he has been given power. This all comes back to them not knowing enough about the game. They are currently out Huw Jenkins which is a disaster!

My starting point would've been to employ someone like Txiki Begiristain/David Dein and let employ the people to shape the structure. If that isn't the route you want to do down and instead you want a manager to shape the club you employ a Cappello, Van Gael not some young manager who has no experience in the area. Lets remember in all this FSG have not ended up with what they wanted after the fired Kenny. I can see if this doesn't work out more speeches from them about how the structure they wanted was never implemented and about how disappointed they're with what has happened but this time they will get it right with a new ground zero plan.

Opr

Sounds like to me you would have basically hired a DoF/CEO then. Which is fair enough, sounds a lot better than having a panel of supposed experts. It seems to be the main thing they wanted a young manager who is willing and able to operate with a tight financial conditions who will also be willing to work there for long. I think that rules out a lot of managers, especially Cappello.

I am pie · 22-08-2012 02:26PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sounds like to me you would have basically hired a DoF/CEO then. Which is fair enough, sounds a lot better than having a panel of supposed experts. It seems to be the main thing they wanted a young manager who is willing and able to operate with a tight financial conditions who will also be willing to work there for long. I think that rules out a lot of managers, especially Cappello.

I would have preferred Kenny did not get the Manager's job. Would have loved to see him play the same kind of role that Cruyff played at Barcelona.

gafferino · 22-08-2012 02:28PM

Liverpool have decided to leave captain Steven Gerrard, star striker Luis Suarez and key defenders Martin Skrtel and Glen Johnson out of their trip to Hearts.

Also absent from the squad for Thursday's Europa League play-off is left-back Jose Enrique, who missed Saturday's defeat at West Bromwich Albion with a knee injury.

Joe Cole, who came off injured at The Hawthorns, is also not travelling while new signing Oussama Assaidi is ineligible as he featured for former club Heerenveen in an earlier round.

Manager Brendan Rodgers has made little secret of the fact his priority since arriving at Anfield is the Premier League and he has seemingly decided to rest his stars.

After the hugely disappointing defeat against West Brom, next on the agenda for Liverpool is a tough game against champions Manchester City at Anfield on Sunday.

And with a further testing domestic fixture-list, which includes home games against Arsenal and Manchester United with a trip to Sunderland in between, Rodgers is taking no chances.

Liverpool would need to play 19 games to win the Europa League and when asked if there is a need to use all members of the squad, assistant manager Colin Pascoe told the club's official website: "Definitely, and that's the way you've got to look at it.

"With the squad and the players we have got here, it's fantastic so you have to rotate the players because you play on a Saturday, then a Thursday and a Sunday. So it's an opportunity for all the players to perform."

But Liverpool are not underestimating their game against Scottish Cup winners Hearts at Tynecastle.

Pascoe said: "Again, it's one of those banana skins and it's a great pull for them to play Liverpool.

"We are looking forward to it. It's two legs and we are going to be positive and try to win the tie up there, and then bring them back to Anfield for the same again."

Chucky the tree · 22-08-2012 02:29PM

I am pie wrote: »

I would have preferred Kenny did not get the Manager's job. Would have loved to see him play the same kind of role that Cruyff played at Barcelona.

After signing Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam I would have vomited if he got that role.

I am pie · 22-08-2012 02:29PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sounds like to me you would have basically hired a DoF/CEO then. Which is fair enough, sounds a lot better than having a panel of supposed experts. It seems to be the main thing they wanted a young manager who is willing and able to operate with a tight financial conditions who will also be willing to work there for long. I think that rules out a lot of managers, especially Cappello.

I think they probably felt burned by the whole Comolli experience. He added nothing and spent a lot of cash. From their perspective, you're right...new man in to work to a tighter budget. All depends on the quality of the coaching set up for me now, we urgently need home grown talent.

gafferino · 22-08-2012 02:30PM

The agent of Gaston Ramirez claims transfer talks with Southampton have broken down and that it is unlikely his client will now be heading for England.

The Saints appeared to have pulled off quite a coup when they agreed a club record fee with Bologna for the highly-rated forward.

The Premier League new boys were prepared to part with £11.8million for the Uruguay international, who has been interesting some of Europe's top clubs.

It would, however, appear as though they have been unable to complete a notable capture, with financial troubles at Bologna posing a problem.

Ramirez's representative says the Saints have now turned their attention elsewhere after failing to reach an agreement.

Oscar Betancourt has also sought to distance the 21-year-old from reports suggesting Tottenham or Liverpool could step in.

Negotiations

"The negotiations with Southampton have ended," he told calciomercatoweb.it.

"I have spoken today (Wednesday) with the English club's chairman and they are looking at another target.

"Bologna didn't want to close the deal without the bank guarantees.

"The player was very happy with the offer received, but now he will probably remain at Bologna.

"Tottenham is an option to be rejected at this time because they are a long way short of Bologna's demands.

"Liverpool? They have never presented a concrete offer."

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