Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

Steven81 · 22-08-2012 09:45AM

Can Coates not play, he has a year at Liverpool now and should be making a break through, its players like him that need to be playing in the Europa League so that if there is an injury to Skrtel/ Agger he can fit in. I hope Carragher hasnt lost any more pace if he is playing a few games now. Teams will try and single him out for definite.

Jesus Wept · 22-08-2012 09:48AM

Vicxas wrote: »

FSG are quoted as saying the knew fúck all about football when they bought Liverpool, so i think they felt a bit duped when what we bought turned out to be mostly shíte!

They still don't.

deadeye187 · 22-08-2012 09:49AM

Vanolder wrote: »

Blame who you want, it doesn't change anything. Rodgers and the team are one game in and the panic button has been hit already! If people thought the problem was going to be resolved over night and we were suddenly going to be playing magical football on way to easily qualifying for CL, that's more a reflection on their deludedness than any failings of the manager and team.

We are at year zero again, It's going to take a season or two to get where the manager wants us to be at. Until then people's aims have to be realistic- Top six is probably where we are at. Not all on here are deluded but the demand for instant gratification/success is a curse and something largely I associate with the younger generation.

I think your right, its white knuckle time. People have to just get behind the team and manager and have patience! Good times might just come!

YNWA

Vicxas · 22-08-2012 09:50AM

Well of course we're at year 0 again, I guess we're just hopeful that we're going in the right direction.

Rome wasnt built in a day, to use an oldie but a goodie.

Mr Alan · 22-08-2012 10:04AM

Vanolder wrote: »

We are at year zero again, It's going to take a season or two to get where the manager wants us to be at.

That means judging at the end of the season is ok? How can it be?

At the end of the 2nd season? Still a little soon surely?

At the end of the 3rd season? Probably fairer.

This is what should happen. However, it simply won't. Thinking otherwise is deluded. If we finish 7th/8th this season - Rodgers is gone.

Leiva · 22-08-2012 10:08AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

That means judging at the end of the season is ok? How can it be?

At the end of the 2nd season? Still a little soon surely?

At the end of the 3rd season? Probably fairer.

This is what should happen. However, it simply won't. Thinking otherwise is deluded. If we finish 7th/8th this season - Rodgers is gone.

If you ask me we will be lucky to finish any higher than 8th.
There is a very good chance that there will be scrape marks on the league table from us trying to cling onto a top 10 finish.

Sappy404 · 22-08-2012 10:12AM

No single striker will get us into the top 4 next May. We're not going to buy a player who can do for us what van Persie did for Arsenal last year. No chance.

We need to address our expectations. I'll be happy with a top 8 finish if by the end of the season the team have improved, can cope with being up against it and Rodgers' passing/pressing system is bearing fruit.

Vicxas · 22-08-2012 10:18AM

I'll be happy with an 8th place finish IF we show signs of improvement in our home games.

Dickerty · 22-08-2012 10:21AM

Latest twitter-twat.....

We are not really interested in Adam Johnson, have other irons in the fire. City will let him leave with Sinclair arriving
We are interested in Sturridge, Chelsea are trying to secure Moses before letting him go
Adam doesn't want to move, we are pushing him to raise funds for Dempsey
Dempsey is not close for that reason (Fulham upped the price?), may go to the wire
Carroll is being offered at £16M, straight sale only

So either we won't sign anyone else, or we'll sell Carroll and Adam, and buy Dempsey, Sturridge and A.N. Other

Vanolder · 22-08-2012 10:23AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Vanolder wrote: »

We are at year zero again, It's going to take a season or two to get where the manager wants us to be at.

That means judging at the end of the season is ok? How can it be?

At the end of the 2nd season? Still a little soon surely?

At the end of the 3rd season? Probably fairer.

This is what should happen. However, it simply won't. Thinking otherwise is deluded. If we finish 7th/8th this season - Rodgers is gone.

He can be judged at the end of each season if the aims are realistic. Slight progress on last year and signs that his system are bearing fruit would do me. How he uses and brings on some of the younger players will be mixed up in that.. but I'm not expecting miracles by seasons end.

Leiva · 22-08-2012 10:23AM

Vicxas wrote: »

I'll be happy with an 8th place finish IF we show signs of improvement in our home games.

Did you see any improvement last season when we finished 8th compared to the previous season ?

Kess73 · 22-08-2012 10:26AM

niallo27 wrote: »

The very ****en next post after mine someone called it the friendly derby, i find it hard to believe everton fans would sing that these days, have you been to goodison on derby day lately.

Have missed one Merseyside derby in all comps since 1985 so yeah I have been to Goodison lately. I'm also from Liverpool and lost people at Hillsborough so I wager I am slightly more in tune with how local Everton supporters have been towards the subject of the 96 than some Irish lad who has been to a few derbies over the years and who had an Everton supporter shout at him.

You are spouting utter rubbish with what you are claiming about the local Everton fans, and I frankly find it amazing that even a non local Liverpool supporter could be so lacking in knowledge with regards to how the majority of local Evertonians are towards the topic of Hillsborough and the 96.

And as for you finding it hard to believe that Everton fans would sing for the 96 nowadays. I take it then that you were either not at the FA cup semi final last season or that you did not watch it on TV to hear them sing in unison with the Reds about the 96 and also to see all the Blue banners of support for the 96 and the blue banners about not buying the rag newspaper.

Utter rubbish you are spouting on this, and you are doing the local Everton support a disservice with your baffling and incorrect claim about them. You are completely wrong in what you are claiming about the Blues with regards to the 96. When it comes to what happened that day in 1989 just remember one thing, there is no blue or red divide, just a shared loss and a shared desire to see right done for those that were lost. I really cannot believe that even a non local Liverpool supporter could know so little about how the local Everton support have, and still so, stand solidly behind the 96.

witnessrenegade · 22-08-2012 10:27AM

I wouldn't be happy with 8th and I doubt many of the players would stay if that's all we came away with at the end of the season

I would like to see us get at least 6th with a good run in either of the Cup's, especially the Europa League

_blank_ · 22-08-2012 10:28AM

Leiva wrote: »

Did you see any improvement last season when we finished 8th compared to the previous season ?

TWO CUP FINALS!!!!

Dickerty · 22-08-2012 10:28AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

If we finish 7th/8th this season - Rodgers is gone.

I think 7th, if we close the gap to the top and show improvement with the current squad, may see him safe. Maybe with a trophy to get Europa access again. It really depends on whether they think we are getting better, improving results against lesser teams and at home. If we are losing away to teams above us, they can't really be too surprised by that. They will have reduced the average age of the team and the wage bill.

Also, who could they hire that they could be confident would have done better with THIS squad? They would be better of saying "You've done a good job with what you had, so here's some money to push on..."

I think a large part depends on how HIS signings go - if they are a success but we don't jump up the table, at least they'll trust him in the transfer market. Part of the reason Kenny had to go is that they couldn't trust him to go out and spend more...

Turtyturd · 22-08-2012 10:29AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Latest twitter-twat.....

We are not really interested in Adam Johnson, have other irons in the fire. City will let him leave with Sinclair arriving
We are interested in Sturridge, Chelsea are trying to secure Moses before letting him go
Adam doesn't want to move, we are pushing him to raise funds for Dempsey
Dempsey is not close for that reason (Fulham upped the price?), may go to the wire
Carroll is being offered at £16M, straight sale only

So either we won't sign anyone else, or we'll sell Carroll and Adam, and buy Dempsey, Sturridge and A.N. Other

I think this may be the only scenario where I would be happy to keep Carroll at the club.

td1 · 22-08-2012 10:35AM

Somewhat tangential this, but does anyone know where the "terrace talk" segment in the irish examiner has gone to (used to be in every wednesday)? - steven kelly's always a good read

cloptrop · 22-08-2012 10:41AM

Would you rather the good football clicking and finishing ninth or still looking lacklustre and awkward and finishing 7th.
I reckon this season will place liverpool lower in the league but only because itll probably take a few months for them to see the game the way br plays.
Its better than kd . Who got results with the kd feel good factor . When that went the second half of last season was abysmal. It showed no team improvement .
This I reckon supporters should worry about / look foreward to rather than a place or two up or down the top half of the table.

Dickerty · 22-08-2012 10:50AM

Just looking at the excellent milankakabaros compilation of Assaidi over the last two seasons - to think that we got him for ONE THIRTEENTH what Chelsea paid for Hazard, and his goals/assists stats are better than half what Hazard got in a similarly competitive league, from a less central role.

It's heartwarming that we can still find a bargain in this market. Maybe our lower profile compared to City and Chelsea can be a help...

I am pie · 22-08-2012 10:53AM

The difference in whether Rodgers gets a chance is the money he spends and generates vs league position. For me the style of football is all important !

22-08-2012 11:04AM

Just watching Suarez's missed chances from the weekend. He is undoubtedly our best player and most creative but his finishing is not up to scratch. If that was a top finisher we'd be 3 or 4 up at halftime and all would be different in here.

Did his finishing go backwards last season after Holland? I mean he misses easy chances after superb skill to get into that position.

It's a worrying trend considering he is our main talisman.

He certainly needs a top striker to play with to share the burden but time is running out on that front.

Grayditch · 22-08-2012 11:09AM

Shame Spurs have Adebeyor now. Part of me was hoping a European team would go in for him. I predict 10-15 goals and about 10 assists. Sometimes Mercs are the way to go if you want to challenge in the short term, I guess.

22-08-2012 11:10AM

I am pie wrote: »

The difference in whether Rodgers gets a chance is the money he spends and generates vs league position. For me the style of football is all important !

Style of football is great but results are more important.

We played some decent football in the first half v west brom but got whipped 3-0. I'd have taken a scrappy 1-0 all day.

Vicxas · 22-08-2012 11:11AM

Football 365 ran a little sentence in their gossip thread today

Real Madrid would prefer Sahin go to Liverpool as the financial deal is better for them

Clutching at straws i know.

Sappy404 · 22-08-2012 11:15AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Football 365 ran a little sentence in their gossip thread today

Clutching at straws i know.

Forget about Sahin.

Chucky the tree · 22-08-2012 11:18AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

That means judging at the end of the season is ok? How can it be?

At the end of the 2nd season? Still a little soon surely?

At the end of the 3rd season? Probably fairer.

This is what should happen. However, it simply won't. Thinking otherwise is deluded. If we finish 7th/8th this season - Rodgers is gone.

He'll be fine if he finishes 7th. Can't see a manager being sacked for improving on last years finish.

I am pie · 22-08-2012 11:20AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Style of football is great but results are more important.

We played some decent football in the first half v west brom but got whipped 3-0. I'd have taken a scrappy 1-0 all day.

Your looking at it in isolation, considering just one game. Would i rather we finished 5/6/7/8th and play the same disjointed scrappy football or would i rather we kept it, were brave and stuck to our principles and finished 10th ?

At this stage, i'd have to say 10th please. The results will follow if we develop a style of playing and educate young players around it.

murpho999 · 22-08-2012 11:21AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He'll be fine if he finishes 7th. Can't see a manager being sacked for improving on last years finish.

For me if he finishes on more points and doesn't have a 2nd half collapse like last season that will be deemed as progress.

Point is that I think FSG were not happy with the direction was taking club and wanted the change, and now they have their own man in who fits with their philosophy. Big difference.

_blank_ · 22-08-2012 11:25AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He'll be fine if he finishes 7th. Can't see a manager being sacked for improving on last years finish.

but without a trophy, 7th could mean no europe.

which is regression

Gbear · 22-08-2012 11:30AM

Des wrote: »

Are you trying to absolve Dalglish of blame here?

He was the manager who has input into purchases.

Yeah, FSG appointed him and Comolli, so they take some of the blame also.

I mostly blame Comolli for the spend. He was the one brokering the deals. If he isn't at fault for overpaying for the likes of Carroll and Downing, then what was his job?

Now maybe Kenny told him to get said players "at any cost" but I have my doubts.

As for FSG's blame - they didn't allow Kenny and Comolli to waste 100m quid. It'd be a bit cheeky of them to stop us from spending money we ourselves generated from cutting the wage bill and sales and that covers most of what was spent. Were they stupid to release the 40m covering the gap? Probably. I'd say a good rule of thumb going into a new sport they knew nothing about would've been setting a limit on the spending for one window so that if they had the wrong person in place the damage would be somewhat limited.

Kenny wasn't likely to be a dynastic manager at his age. We'd have been better off giving him 1 year and telling him that he was there to stabilise things and he'd get another year if he got us CL. Otherwise, from a very early stage, we should've been looking to get in a replacement.

Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

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