Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

SlickRic · 21-08-2012 03:33PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

But on the bright side, Anderson shot wide from distance. He should start against Fulham.

why the holy hell are you focusing on this? nobody said he should be starting, with or instead of Rooney...all people did was say fair play to him for shooting.

but aside from that...yes Welbeck could be dropped, but the problem I would have with him if I were a Utd fan, and a problem some fans seem to share with me in his regard, is that he looked tired and overweight.

what's wrong with dropping him to the bench when you have so many attacking options now? it'll either give him a little kick up the whole, or give him time to sort out his fitness.

i don't see what the fuss is about that. it's probably part of why RVP was bought. nevermind the fact he can play with Rooney, he can also take the pressure off Rooney having to play every game anyway. i don't see the harm when you have the squad you have.

me-skywalker · 21-08-2012 03:38PM

Welbeck seems to have ankles tied to his feet. His accelaration is no longer evident and the ball seems to get stuck under his foot for his first touch. Lets hope his sharperness increases.

bullvine · 21-08-2012 03:45PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Welbeck seems to have ankles tied to his feet. His accelaration is no longer evident and the ball seems to get stuck under his foot for his first touch. Lets hope his sharperness increases.

I couldnt believe how slow he was when he was through on goal and then Jagielka tackled him and cleared the ball. Somehow I think Hernadez would have been away.

Vic Vinegar · 21-08-2012 03:47PM

bullvine wrote: »

I couldnt believe how slow he was when he was through on goal and then Jagielka tackled him and cleared the ball. Somehow I think Hernadez would have been away.

Or offside somehow!

Your Airbag · 21-08-2012 03:48PM

SlickRic wrote: »

why the holy hell are you focusing on this? nobody said he should be starting, with or instead of Rooney...all people did was say fair play to him for shooting.

but aside from that...yes Welbeck could be dropped, but the problem I would have with him if I were a Utd fan, and a problem some fans seem to share with me in his regard, is that he looked tired and overweight.

what's wrong with dropping him to the bench when you have so many attacking options now? it'll either give him a little kick up the whole, or give him time to sort out his fitness.

i don't see what the fuss is about that. it's probably part of why RVP was bought. nevermind the fact he can play with Rooney, he can also take the pressure off Rooney having to play every game anyway. i don't see the harm when you have the squad you have.

Jaysus, relax. It was tongue in cheek but its not me who focused on this. Rooney has been getting a slating on here this morning and Anderson who has added nothing to the team for years gets praised from numerous ppl for shooting wide, so I replied

If Rooney had shot wide in addition to what he did last night it would have been "he is unfit and lost his finishing touch". RVP also struggled to get into the game, even though he only had 15mins I expected a bit more of an impact.

Some of the abuse towards Rooney has been out of order though. "He is a fat mess" "panting like a rapist" "and other nonsense. Really? Is there need for this. The Irony of this is compounded further by the Anderson praise. This is the first start to a season where he hasn't looked overweight.

But anyway, I would like both RVP and Rooney to start Saturday. If the physicallity of that game is also too much, introduce Welbs or Berbatov.

TheTownie · 21-08-2012 03:52PM

bullvine wrote: »

I couldnt believe how slow he was when he was through on goal and then Jagielka tackled him and cleared the ball. Somehow I think Hernadez would have been away.

From the replays you could see he had the opportunity to tap it ahead of Jagielka's tackle.

He either meant to put his foot between the ball and Phil (which is what he did) or fúcked up trying to tip it beyond Phil's tackle. The tackle then went through his foot.

Either way he fúck it up in some shape or form.

kryogen · 21-08-2012 03:54PM

First game out of the way, terrible terrible performance, most of them still playing like it was a pre season game unfortunately.

No idea why Val was played ahead of Raf at right back either, the strange team selections starting already. When the team plays without natural width it tends to struggle, particularly when playing compact teams, it makes it too easy for them to just jam the middle.

Everton played really well last night and for the record, if Fellaini did play like that against every team he wouldnt still be at Everton.

United got no more then they deserved and hopefully it will serve as a kick in the ass for one or two of them, cannot afford to be playing catch up from the start, the days when teams can afford slow starts and win leagues are gone, its not the end of the world, Everton away is a tough fixture. Not normally for United I guess but it is a tough place to go and win, especially when they turn up in the way they did last night.

Couple of positives, Kagawa looked very good, its another 90 minutes for Vidic to get back to himself, Rooney got another game under his belt and RVP got the debut out of the way. Oh and of course, DDG was excellent, kept that score respectable. Fergie deflecting to the media is hardly surprising but hopefully he is not letting the team have any illusions about whether that performance was acceptable or not. If needs be Rooney can be dropped, we have an adequate replacement in terms of a goalscorer now and Kagawa and RVP together could be lethal. The reliance on Wayne is not even close to what it was.

His poor general play has gone on for quite a while now and its genuinely worrying me. I am sure he will come good though.

adox · 21-08-2012 03:54PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Calling for him to be dropped after one game is the usual over reactionary stuff.

But its really not. If it were a case of over reacting to a bad display then Im sure there would be calls for 5 or 6 players to be dropped.

Its Rooneys condition that is the reason so many are calling for him to be dropped. He looks unfit to my eyes and to others that have posted about the same on here. Never mind about match fitness, he looks out of shape, which is unacceptable.

dahat · 21-08-2012 04:01PM

adox wrote: »

But its really not. If it were a case of over reacting to a bad display then Im sure there would be calls for 5 or 6 players to be dropped.

Its Rooneys condition that is the reason so many are calling for him to be dropped. He looks unfit to my eyes and to others that have posted about the same on here. Never mind about match fitness, he looks out of shape, which is unacceptable.

Pretty much agree with people on Rooney but surely the club know how fit or unfit he is?
Surely he did a bleep test when he got back in to the club plus i am sure the club assess condition of players on a regular basis.If the club are aware that he is that unfit and lacking basic condition and continue to play him at the highest level that is just laughable........

v3ttel · 21-08-2012 04:03PM

cloptrop wrote: »

Stats can be used to argue any point..

You sound more and more like mufcboy1999 every day.

Every time someone posts a stat, you pedal this.

It depends how you use them. They are useful to back up points if used correctly.

To dismiss legitimate use of stats to prove points, and say "stats can be used to argue any point" is a bit like saying like a cop saying "forensic evidence can be used to prove any one committed this crime" and then just ignoring the evidence.

Quite a few times, people have slated Nani, and when you say, he scored Y amount of assists (more than anyone else in the league), it easily proved they were talking out of their hole. Legitimate & undeniable.

Hernandez had a poor second season, well, actually if you compare his 1st and 2nd season in terms of goals, assists and minutes played, they are very similar. Legitimate use of stats for a guy who is there solely on his predatory instincts.

It's lazy to dismiss any posts or points the second you see a stat.

MisterAnarchy · 21-08-2012 04:03PM

adox wrote: »

Its Rooneys condition that is the reason so many are calling for him to be dropped. He looks unfit to my eyes and to others that have posted about the same on here. Never mind about match fitness, he looks out of shape, which is unacceptable.

Out of shape or not I'd still expect a player to have a decent first touch.
Rooneys first touch last night was abominable ,it was coming back off him faster than it was hitting his foot.
He has always had a poor first touch but last night was really bad .

J. Marston · 21-08-2012 04:07PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

I like this one myself.

Man Utd Facebook ‏@MUFC_Facebook
suck bull bollocks Alex, shouldnt hav started welbert

Welbert. Such a red neck sounding name!

Started laughing out loud when I read ''suck bull bollocks Alex.''

keane2097 · 21-08-2012 04:07PM

Rooney10 wrote: »

You sound more and more like mufcboy1999 every day.

Every time someone posts a stat, you pedal this.

It depends how you use them. They are useful to back up points if used correctly.

To dismiss legitimate use of stats to prove points, and say "stats can be used to argue any point" is a bit like saying like a cop saying "forensic evidence can be used to prove any one committed this crime" and then just ignoring the evidence.

Quite a few times, people have slated Nani, and when you say, he scored Y amount of assists (more than anyone else in the league), it easily proved they were talking out of their hole. Legitimate & undeniable.

Hernandez had a poor second season, well, actually if you compare his 1st and 2nd season in terms of goals, assists and minutes played, they are very similar. Legitimate use of stats for a guy who is there solely on his predatory instincts.

It's lazy to dismiss any posts or points the second you see a stat.

The point re:Fellaini's misleading stats was pretty well made tbh.

cloptrop · 21-08-2012 04:12PM

Rooney10 wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

Stats can be used to argue any point..

You sound more and more like mufcboy1999 every day.

Every time someone posts a stat, you pedal this.

It depends how you use them. They are useful to back up points if used correctly.

To dismiss legitimate use of stats to prove points, and say "stats can be used to argue any point" is a bit like saying like a cop saying "forensic evidence can be used to prove any one committed this crime" and then just ignoring the evidence.

Quite a few times, peopble have slated Nani, and when you say, he scored Y amount of assists (more than anyone else in the league), it easily proved they were talking out of their hole. Legitimate & undeniable.

Hernandez had a poor second season, well, actually if you compare his 1st and 2nd season in terms of goals, assists and minutes played, they are very similar. Legitimate use of stats for a guy who is there solely on his predatory instincts.

It's lazy to dismiss any posts or points the second you see a stat.

You must have just read the first line of my post. You dont seem to have noticed how I then went on to show him how his own stats were showing the player to be a bit if a headless chicken when it comes to flying into tackles and leaving himself out of position more than any other midfielder in the country.

aperture_nuig · 21-08-2012 04:13PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2irU5HH_pU

Some shot on him!

adox · 21-08-2012 04:14PM

cloptrop wrote: »

You must have just read tge first line of my post. You dont seem to have notuced how I thenn went on to show him how his iwn stats were shiwing the playerr to be a bit if a headkess cgicken when it comes to flying into tackles and leaving himself out of posution more than any other midfielder in the country.

cloptrop · 21-08-2012 04:23PM

adox wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

You must have just read tge first line of my post. You dont seem to have notuced how I thenn went on to show him how his iwn stats were shiwing the playerr to be a bit if a headkess cgicken when it comes to flying into tackles and leaving himself out of posution more than any other midfielder in the country.

I edited the post fat thumbs do not a good post make.

Lord TSC · 21-08-2012 04:27PM

Am I right in saying the Fulham game at the weekend will not be televised due to the fact it's on Saturday at 3?

Macca07 · 21-08-2012 04:28PM

aperture_nuig wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2irU5HH_pU

Some shot on him!

Looks like we have a new penalty taker too

adox · 21-08-2012 04:28PM

cloptrop wrote: »

I edited the post fat thumbs do not a good post make.

Ah yeah I knew you were typing on a mobile device of some sort. Cheap shot by me.:o

Jax Teller · 21-08-2012 04:30PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Am I right in saying the Fulham game at the weekend will not be televised due to the fact it's on Saturday at 3?

Think it's on Setanta .

J. Marston · 21-08-2012 04:32PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHR6ziRI4Dc

:pac:

cloptrop · 21-08-2012 04:33PM

Do people still watch football on telly?
I like this new streaming thing you can watch pretty much any match you want . Rupert murdoch doesnt choose for you ,

Mars Bar · 21-08-2012 04:34PM

cloptrop wrote: »

Do people still watch football on telly?
I like this new streaming thing you can watch pretty much any match you want . Rupert murdoch doesnt choose for you ,

Of course they do. Bigger screen and no buffering. Why would you not want to watch it on telly if you could?

Mikeyt086 · 21-08-2012 04:36PM

Wow.

All summer all the talk was "I can't wait for the season to start" so that we would have better discussion about actual football.

The last 20 pages of this thread are a tornado of knee-jerk reactions, rage, total abandonment of common sense and general bull****.

Roll on pre-season 13/14.

Jimmy Iovine · 21-08-2012 04:45PM

Macca07 wrote: »

Looks like we have a new penalty taker too

The next Denis Irwin.

Can't tell too much from that video though. At times it looks like he's playing as a left winger or even a striker, not a left back.

Also it doesn't show any of his defending. He has a fantastic eye for goal though and looks comfortable going forward. Looking forward to seeing him play.

stesaurus · 21-08-2012 04:46PM

cloptrop wrote: »

Do people still watch football on telly?
I like this new streaming thing you can watch pretty much any match you want . Rupert murdoch doesnt choose for you ,

I don't understand people who watch streaming. Sitting cramped over a small cream trying to make out who the hell is who and listening to some arabic commentator.

Live in the stadium > HD TV Screen >>>>>>>>>>Crappy streams

Lord TSC · 21-08-2012 04:49PM

Yeay, didn't think it would be on. Happy now.

And I will always choose to watch a game on my big TV on a comfy sofa over a small computer screen and an awkward office chair :P

Your Airbag · 21-08-2012 04:50PM

s.welstead wrote: »

I don't understand people who watch streaming. Sitting cramped over a small cream trying to make out who the hell is who and listening to some arabic commentator.

Live in the stadium > HD TV Screen >>>>>>>>>>Crappy streams

Playing in either team>Live in the stadium > HD TV Screen >Crappy streams

MagicMarker · 21-08-2012 04:50PM

s.welstead wrote: »

I don't understand people who watch streaming. Sitting cramped over a small cream trying to make out who the hell is who and listening to some arabic commentator.

Live in the stadium > HD TV Screen >>>>>>>>>>Crappy streams

I hook my laptop up to my HD TV, the LOF HD stream is about as perfect as you can get. You would never know it was a stream and it would even be better than SD imo. It costs me about 5 quid every couple of months, Sky Sports HD would cost me €50 per month.

You do the math.

Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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