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Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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  • #2612
    Just An Opinion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Just An Opinion


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    As I said yesterday, at least Anderson took a shot.

    I don't understand why we aren't trying to just shoot the ball at the net nowadays. It's become clear that teams will play 10 men in the box against United. When that happens, we simply cannot just work the ball into the box. Crosses are obviously a good try. But why don't we just blast the ball into the box? Ten players means the chance of numerous deflections and an impossible task for the goalkeeper to keep a good eye on the ball.

    I'm not saying it's a perfect situation, but it seems to be something we barely try anymore...

    I agree, I was screaming for it a few times last night, working the ball into the box on the deck was resulting in us just being smothered off the ball and any crosses going in were easily being headed back out by the 1st man mostly unchallenged.

    Howard can be sussy at holding onto a pacey ball at times so was frustrating we didn't test him more with a few from outside the box. Having said that most things we tried last night was fruitless.


  • #2613
    supersean1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭supersean1999


    firstly carrick and valencia are not to blame for being played out of position,
    secondly, kagawa looked a real player , very impressed
    but can we please stop the myth that is danny welbeck, he will never be good enough to be the main striker for utd, brainless, and iv never seen a player so highly rated as rooney to be so poor in so many games,
    and last but not least, if there is all this interest in nani, surely to the lord god he could be replaced with the 20m we would get for him, ,


  • #2614
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Yes Darren Gibson and Phil Neville dominated our midfield.
    Disagree. They mainly just crowded the middle and broke up play. They offered very little as an attacking threat. It was all about Fellaini, Jelavic and Pienaar, but really Fellaini was the difference maker. He was their go-to out ball. Good tactics but it would have been different had we had any two of the four other defenders back.

    Also, just to refer to the post earlier saying that United's midfield couldn't win aerial duels with Everton's; Neither would Barcelona's. But it's not a big deal to lose out to on a header in midfield as it is to lose them as far forward as we were last night.


  • #2615
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Still need about 2 world class midfielders, what we isnt good enough

    not on the evidence of last night.

    you got beaten up at CB and RB by Fellaini. that has very little to do with midfield.


  • #2616
    Your Airbag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭Your Airbag


    All this Anderson took a shot stuff is funny. If kicking a ball wide from 20 yards is the highlight of your teams performance well then you know you were muck. I mean he didn't even work the keeper.


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  • #2617
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    SlickRic wrote: »
    not on the evidence of last night.

    you got beaten up at CB and RB by Fellaini. that has very little to do with midfield.

    Wasting your time!

    Even if you are right.


  • #2618
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    supersean1999 wrote: »
    firstly carrick and valencia are not to blame for being played out of position,
    secondly, kagawa looked a real player , very impressed
    but can we please stop the myth that is danny welbeck, he will never be good enough to be the main striker for utd, brainless, and iv never seen a player so highly rated as rooney to be so poor in so many games,
    and last but not least, if there is all this interest in nani, surely to the lord god he could be replaced with the 20m we would get for him, ,

    I agree with the above totally, Kagawa looked a great player last night from everything to his movement and first touch. I can only imagine what he is thinking this morning knowing he was head and shoulders above the rest of the players and on his debut too.

    Rooney again was ineffective and extremely poor, he has about as much control and grace as Bambi on ice, I think he should be stuck on the bench for a couple of games in the hope he bucks up his ideas and gets back to even close to his best as he has been far from it for years now. He seems to think I am the highest paid here and so must be the best player so I dont need to work anymore, I have nobody challenging me for my place in the team so its grand I can p1ss about.

    As for Nani, if someone offered 5million for him tomorrow Fergie should snap their arm off. How can someone who gets paid so much and whose job it is to take corners be so poor at taking them, every single one of them last night was cleared at the near post. Same every match, the team defending only need to stick someone on the in front of the near post and they will be guaranteed to clear the corner every time, more often than not they can kick it away as it wont be any higher than their knee. Get rid of him and fast he is useless.


  • #2619
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Your Airbag wrote: »
    I mean he didn't even work the keeper.

    it's more than Rooney did the entire second half.

    the rest of your team were doing their best impression of Barca-lite and getting nowhere. at least he had the balls to try.


  • #2620
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,720 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Anyone who has a problem with Nani should go and eat some cake.

    Nani-300x227.jpg


  • #2621
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    SlickRic wrote: »
    it's more than Rooney did the entire second half.

    the rest of your team were doing their best impression of Barca-lite and getting nowhere. at least he had the balls to try.
    It was more like Arsenal. RVP is probably a bit worried after he came on last night. :pac:


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  • #2622
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Your Airbag wrote: »
    All this Anderson took a shot stuff is funny. If kicking a ball wide from 20 yards is the highlight of your teams performance well then you know you were muck. I mean he didn't even work the keeper.

    I think that's the point; Anderson taking a shot that missed was our best chance of the second half. Credit to him for trying but it shows how bad everyone else was that he was responsible for the one attack we had...


  • #2623
    Felexicon
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    donalg1 wrote: »
    I agree with the above totally, Kagawa looked a great player last night from everything to his movement and first touch. I can only imagine what he is thinking this morning knowing he was head and shoulders above the rest of the players and on his debut too.

    Rooney again was ineffective and extremely poor, he has about as much control and grace as Bambi on ice, I think he should be stuck on the bench for a couple of games in the hope he bucks up his ideas and gets back to even close to his best as he has been far from it for years now. He seems to think I am the highest paid here and so must be the best player so I dont need to work anymore, I have nobody challenging me for my place in the team so its grand I can p1ss about.

    As for Nani, if someone offered 5million for him tomorrow Fergie should snap their arm off. How can someone who gets paid so much and whose job it is to take corners be so poor at taking them, every single one of them last night was cleared at the near post. Same every match, the team defending only need to stick someone on the in front of the near post and they will be guaranteed to clear the corner every time, more often than not they can kick it away as it wont be any higher than their knee. Get rid of him and fast he is useless.
    Rooney did not look clumsey last night, he looked unfit. To say he has no control is crazy.
    Also I don't think sitting him on the bench for a few games will get him back to his best. Every season he need 6 or 7 games to get up to match fitness. Having him on the bench will simply delay him hitting top form. Don't get me wrong I find this very frustrating but it is a fact all the same


  • #2624
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Rooney did not look clumsey last night, he looked unfit. To say he has no control is crazy.
    Also I don't think sitting him on the bench for a few games will get him back to his best. Every season he need 6 or 7 games to get up to match fitness. Having him on the bench will simply delay him hitting top form. Don't get me wrong I find this very frustrating but it is a fact all the same

    I dont think saying he has no control is crazy on more than one occasion last night the ball was played to him, he took a touch and suddenly the ball was 5 yards away. When he managed to control it he had lost it with his third or fourth touch, he looked clueless at times, unfit or lacking confidence.


  • #2625
    Your Airbag
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    SlickRic wrote: »
    it's more than Rooney did the entire second half.

    the rest of your team were doing their best impression of Barca-lite and getting nowhere. at least he had the balls to try.

    :rolleyes:

    Listen to what your saying. Rooney is a forward, he is supposed to run into the box and get close to goal. He didn't look fully fit and people are slating him. He did try but he is not match fit yet.

    Rooney would have had a good game if he took one shot from distance that went wide? Eh no.


  • #2626
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    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    I think that's the point; Anderson taking a shot that missed was our best chance of the second half. Credit to him for trying but it shows how bad everyone else was that he was responsible for the one attack we had...
    Wasn't Cleverleys shot cleared off the line in the second half?
    He really should have scored that


  • #2627
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    donalg1 wrote: »
    I dont think saying he has no control is crazy on more than one occasion last night the ball was played to him, he took a touch and suddenly the ball was 5 yards away. When he managed to control it he had lost it with his third or fourth touch, he looked clueless at times, unfit or lacking confidence.
    Ok then, you're right, Rooney has no control on the ball. :rolleyes:


  • #2628
    Just An Opinion
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    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    Your Airbag wrote: »
    All this Anderson took a shot stuff is funny. If kicking a ball wide from 20 yards is the highlight of your teams performance well then you know you were muck. I mean he didn't even work the keeper.

    I think that's the point; Anderson taking a shot that missed was our best chance of the second half. Credit to him for trying but it shows how bad everyone else was that he was responsible for the one attack we had...

    Out best chance was Cleverley's effort cleared off the line after some neat work from Kagawa. I really have a good feeling about this lad, he'll create loads and once the rest of our boys decide to wake up they should reap the benefits of his creativity.


  • #2629
    GSPfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    I'd be pretty sure that United are finished in the transfer window. There will be no more in or out. Fergie said maybe one more player a few days ago then Buttner was signed. So thats our lot and we will just have to deal with it now.

    Cannot see him selling Nani unless he wants to generate some revenue to purchase another player. It wouldnt kill me to sell Nani but I dont see the logic in it. We would be severly depleted in our attacking options. He frustrates the hell outta me but he can be very good at times.

    (Dembele may be a low cost signing but cant see it happening now.)


  • #2630
    ScummyMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,672 ✭✭✭ScummyMan


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Wasn't Cleverleys shot cleared off the line in the second half?
    He really should have scored that

    That's harsh tbh, he placed it low and in the corner, there wasn't much more he could do. It was fantastic defending


  • #2631
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    I think that's the point; Anderson taking a shot that missed was our best chance of the second half. Credit to him for trying but it shows how bad everyone else was that he was responsible for the one attack we had...
    Nah. Cleverley should have scored. Jagielka cleared his shot off the line after Kagawa showed quick thinking to dig the ball out away from Howard.


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  • #2632
    Macca07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Macca07


    Firstly, think we played the wrong tactics last night against a very good and well organised Everton team. I would've gone with a 4-4-1-1 team last night, Valencia on the right, Young on the left, Kagawa behind Rooney up front, and Rafael at right-back.

    It got very crowded around the box last night, and it wasn't helped by having too many forwards on the pitch. We should've played a wide game last night with 2 wingers, Valencia has destroyed Baines on many occasions.

    Of course all this depends on whether or not Rafael was fully fit, or if he needed a rest after the Olympics.

    Nani was poor last night, as was Rooney, but both need a few games to get going. Saying we should sell Nani and drop Rooney is a bit of an over-reaction.

    The slating of Anderson when he only played 10 minutes is a bit much.

    We need our defenders fit, and some time for the new players to settle.

    Also, Kagawa is awesome.


  • #2633
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Your Airbag wrote: »
    He did try but he is not match fit yet.

    Rooney would have had a good game if he took one shot from distance that went wide? Eh no.

    less of the rolleyes please; they're incredibly irritating.

    1) Anderson was only on for 7 minutes. he manged to get involved, and also have a decent shot when everyone else seemed to be passing up the opportunity.

    2) whose fault is it Rooney isn't match fit? and i would argue he looked out of shape, not just unfit for a match.


  • #2634
    Felexicon
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    Man.UnitedLad wrote: »
    That's harsh tbh, he placed it low and in the corner, there wasn't much more he could do. It was fantastic defending
    But you know if it was Scholes coming onto that pass he would have got his head up and buried it at the far post.
    It was still great defending by Jagielka to clear it though


  • #2635
    homerjay2005
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    dont even know where to start, tactically we were set up very poorly and considering the 4-4 and the damage Fellani did to us, why on earth wasnt vidic marking him when a long ball was coming up and especially the corner.

    team had no shape at all. disappointing night overall.


  • #2636
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Felexicon wrote: »
    Ok then, you're right, Rooney has no control on the ball. :rolleyes:

    Exactly glad you agree I mean its pretty obvious for everyone to see, he hasnt played well in god knows how long, hopefully RVP will get up to speed quickly and push him a bit harder than he has been pushed for the last few seasons. It cant be good for a player when they know they are almost guaranteed their starting place.


  • #2637
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    @Homer - Fellaini was deliberately pulling onto Carrick instead of Vidic in normal play. Vidic should have been marking him on corners, though.


  • #2638
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Exactly glad you agree I mean its pretty obvious for everyone to see, he hasnt played well in god knows how long, hopefully RVP will get up to speed quickly and push him a bit harder than he has been pushed for the last few seasons. It cant be good for a player when they know they are almost guaranteed their starting place.
    You're right. It seems to have really affected Messi, Ronaldo, Vidic, every first choice keeper in the world.........
    Last nights performance was down to fitness not knowing he was going to start


  • #2639
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Exactly glad you agree I mean its pretty obvious for everyone to see, he hasnt played well in god knows how long, hopefully RVP will get up to speed quickly and push him a bit harder than he has been pushed for the last few seasons. It cant be good for a player when they know they are almost guaranteed their starting place.
    This is nonsense. Rooney has been comfortably our best player since Ronaldo left.


  • #2640
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Nah. Cleverley should have scored. Jagielka cleared his shot off the line after Kagawa showed quick thinking to dig the ball out away from Howard.

    Ah, forgot about that.

    Considering people are complaining about our CM, it was our two CM players who had the only memorable chances of the second half....


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  • #2641
    Fizman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭Fizman


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    dont even know where to start, tactically we were set up very poorly and considering the 4-4 and the damage Fellani did to us, why on earth wasnt vidic marking him when a long ball was coming up and especially the corner.

    team had no shape at all. disappointing night overall.

    This was the first thing that came to my head when I saw the replay. Now, unless he was instructed specifically by the coaching staff to pick up Jagielka (unlikely I would have thought), it was a complete cop-out by Vidic to avoid Fellaini.
    And even if he is on someone else......who in their right mind found comfort in telling poor Michael Carrick to mark one of the best aerial threats in the league?


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