Name and Shame Job Bridge

Eod100 · 19-07-2012 07:33PM

Missdior12 wrote: »

Kinda odd.. I applied to more then 9 Internship positions and didn't hear from any of them.
Applied in mid February, I didn't bother getting in touch with them tho.
Was dissapointed not even a word off them.
Did it happen to anyone else?
Is there a age they consider cuz I'm only 20

It shouldn't be an age thing anyway..

According to the data from the Job Bridge website, 27% of interns are aged 20 - 24 so see no issues there. (http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf )

I don't know if it's common practice for companies not to contact applicants if they haven't been successful but I personally think it's very rude.

You've taken the time and effort to apply for a position in their company. The least they could do is acknowledge this with a response of some kind.

thebman · 19-07-2012 07:37PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It shouldn't be an age thing anyway..

According to the data from the Job Bridge website, 27% of interns are aged 20 - 24 so see no issues there. (http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf )

I don't know if it's common practice for companies not to contact applicants if they haven't been successful but I personally think it's very rude.

You've taken the time and effort to apply for a position in their company. The least they could do is acknowledge this with a response of some kind.

It was standard practice during the boom, no reason why it would change now they get more applications per job.

Your entitled to the reason why you weren't hired as far as I know but you'll have to press to get it.

Most HR departments are afraid they'll say something that might get them fired for discrimination as they aren't the brightest at the best of times I've found.

christmas2012 · 19-07-2012 07:41PM

JOBBRIDGE and FAS are the reason the SW bill is so high,and not only that,they create unemployment,think of all those jobs advertised on jobbridge,they could have been paying jobs,but companies turned around and signed up to jobbridge and fas for free labour that nullifies the job..

They are displacing jobs,stealing jobs from the very community they proport to help..

And i bet those fuckers sleep like babys at night no conscience whatsoever or even a thought of guilt passing the day..

Missdior12 · 19-07-2012 10:14PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It shouldn't be an age thing anyway..

According to the data from the Job Bridge website, 27% of interns are aged 20 - 24 so see no issues there. (http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf )

I don't know if it's common practice for companies not to contact applicants if they haven't been successful but I personally think it's very rude.

You've taken the time and effort to apply for a position in their company. The least they could do is acknowledge this with a response of some kind.

I see it's not an age thing =_=
About 4 of them acknowledged that they received my application, it was an automated response but from the rest nothing!
Did not hear back at all if I was rejected or accepted or maybe an interview..

Some don't seem professional at all..
Just so if anyone applies call them and make sure they received the application

Eod100 · 20-07-2012 12:18AM

thebman wrote: »

It was standard practice during the boom, no reason why it would change now they get more applications per job.

I get what you're saying and I guess it makes sense if you're talking about jobs.

But I think something like a JobBridge internship is different. It's not exactly a paid position - the government is paying the extra 50 euro per week allowance and not the company.And even still it works out lower than the minimum wage (for a 40 hour week).

So I think it's fair that companies contact those applicants who were unsuccessful. I'm not talking about a personalised letter or anything, a generic email would do fine. At least that way applicants know where they stand and I think it's just common courtesy.

IHateMondays · 14-08-2012 12:47PM

Missdior12 wrote: »

Kinda odd.. I applied to more then 9 Internship positions and didn't hear from any of them.
Applied in mid February, I didn't bother getting in touch with them tho.
Was dissapointed not even a word off them.
Did it happen to anyone else?
Is there a age they consider cuz I'm only 20

I would be looking for some response back. Pick a few, ring them and ask why you never had a response from them. I had to do this, granted they had filled the roles or stopped them, but in most cases I got a response. you'll probably feel better if you have some reasons as to why you never heard back.

IHateMondays · 14-08-2012 12:50PM

I've also noticed that some of the JobBridge postings on FAS are looking for people to already come armed with full experience. I spotted one in graphic design that wanted a degree in this area with over 5 years experience. I thought this was more about gaining experience..

Hawk Wing 2 · 14-08-2012 01:34PM

IHateMondays wrote: »

I've also noticed that some of the JobBridge postings on FAS are looking for people to already come armed with full experience. I spotted one in graphic design that wanted a degree in this area with over 5 years experience. I thought this was more about gaining experience..

pisstake

Eod100 · 14-08-2012 02:40PM

IHateMondays wrote: »

I've also noticed that some of the JobBridge postings on FAS are looking for people to already come armed with full experience. I spotted one in graphic design that wanted a degree in this area with over 5 years experience. I thought this was more about gaining experience..

You're right it should be about gaining experience!

I'm pretty sure it's even against the rules to seek an intern with experience..Have seen several ads which do though so looks like FAS/Dept of Social Protection isn't monitoring it very well..

thebman · 14-08-2012 08:28PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You're right it should be about gaining experience!

I'm pretty sure it's even against the rules to seek an intern with experience..Have seen several ads which do though so looks like FAS/Dept of Social Protection isn't monitoring it very well..

They are usually going out of business and desperate as I know one such company so I presume the others are in a similar situation.

If I was in the area, I'd be keeping an eye out on jobsbridge to see which competitors were in trouble in the technology industry.

ABajaninCork · 14-08-2012 08:38PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You're right it should be about gaining experience!

I'm pretty sure it's even against the rules to seek an intern with experience..Have seen several ads which do though so looks like FAS/Dept of Social Protection isn't monitoring it very well..

It is. You should report it.

Eod100 · 14-08-2012 09:23PM

thebman wrote: »

They are usually going out of business and desperate as I know one such company so I presume the others are in a similar situation.

If I was in the area, I'd be keeping an eye out on jobsbridge to see which competitors were in trouble in the technology industry.

I can understand why businesses in financial trouble would want to use it but I don't think it's right..If they want to hire an employee they should pay a decent wage.If they can't afford to then I don't think they should be allowed hire interns to fill in employee vacancies.. That's capitalism after all really.

Eod100 · 14-08-2012 09:25PM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

It is. You should report it.

I considered reporting the ads I saw but searched the JB site and couldn't find any rules which stated companies cant look for interns with experience..

Do you know if that particular rule can be found in any of the documents/info online?

ABajaninCork · 14-08-2012 09:38PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I considered reporting the ads I saw but searched the JB site and couldn't find any rules which stated companies cant look for interns with experience..

Do you know if that particular rule can be found in any of the documents/info online?

It's not quoted as such, but if you e-mail http://www.jobbridge.ie/feedback.aspx
and give them the link to the ad, they usually take action.

I have to say the Welfare aren't doing a very good job of vetting the internships. Time and again we see 'internships' advertised which clearly aren't. Far too reactive.

CuriousG · 15-08-2012 03:22PM

IHateMondays wrote: »

I've also noticed that some of the JobBridge postings on FAS are looking for people to already come armed with full experience. I spotted one in graphic design that wanted a degree in this area with over 5 years experience. I thought this was more about gaining experience..

Nearly all of the internships advertised require some experience....... It kind of makes the only argument FOR job-bridge void - that is, gaining experience.

starlit · 15-08-2012 04:53PM

Ya I spotted that recently too, looking for 5 years experience and the whole purpose of a jobbridge is to fill in the gap and bridge those from little or no experience or not enough experience to gaining some kind of experience as a form of getting the foot in the door to lead to a proper job?

It makes it even more competitive then.

I can understand if they looking for someone specifically with certain skills and qualifications but work experience should not have to come into it especially if those who are changing careers?! They have no work experience in their area to go by making it harder to break into without experience? Despite having previous work experience in something else. More like waiting for the penny to drop if you ask me.

Job'bridge' what does this tell ya like? It should mean what it says! Not coming out with rubbish.

allibastor · 16-08-2012 09:08AM

I saw a job yesterday in Tipp looking for a concrete delivery person.

BAsically a concrete truck operator who would our concrete, a job which should be fully paid as there is not a lot to learn from it, nor are there huge opportunities for advancement or learning.

we have a job bridger in my company, it does actually have a chance after 6 months of turning into something as we have made big mention to it when recruiting, and to be fair the amount of people who turned up completely un prepared for it was shocking.

wylo · 16-08-2012 09:13AM

To be perfectly honest most jobs I've been looking at don't require experience.

Idle Passerby · 16-08-2012 10:41AM

saraemagee wrote: »

How am I looking down my nose at reception? You can't post duties and then change it when the person starts work? And if I was looking down on reception work why would I has done it this long.

The pt is that there is nothing to stop an employer from getting a graduate to work for them in a position outside the intended role! And not to have the mentor in place that they are obliged to provide

This happened me too. Its infuriating to start an internship thinking that although its unpaid you will be gaining skills and experience, only for them to put you in an entirely different position that you neither have interest or experience in and expect you to be happy for the chance to work for free lining their pockets! I quit mine when after I pointed out that I wasnt doing the job advertised my employer more or less said "tough sh1t". I reported the company and as far as I know its been denied access to any more interns.

Sup08 · 16-08-2012 12:13PM

I came across this thread today and I am very sceptical about the Jobsbridge programme and know that employmers will and I'm sure are already abusing this way of getting cheap labour.
Even a recent debate/discussion between the Minister Joan Burton and Senator Mary Ann O’Brien requesting that it be easy for a company to extend the six months intern ship to 9 months if a project runs over schedule and the company 'NEEDS' the intern to finish the project.
My question would be;"If the company needs the intern for an extra 3 months, surely this means they need to employ someone, all be it on a 3 month contract with full pay/holiday entitlements and not extend the intern ship for cheap labour?"

This is the excerpt from the meeting, with the usaul bit of **s licking from the senator at the begining. Full transcript here

Senator Mary Ann O’Brien: I thank the Minister, Deputy Joan Burton, for attending this evening. I will be brief because I am last, but not least. I am acutely aware of how busy the Minister is. I commend the Government on the JobBridge scheme and how well it is working. The six-month placement, which I have used in my company, works very well. Some employers in the private sector may have taken advantage of the JobBridge scheme. I would not like to see young interns used for an extra three months as a cheap form of employment.

I wish to discuss the opportunity I believe lies in the public sector. The internship scheme is wonderful for young people who might have been sitting at home unemployed and who are desperate to get their foot onto the first rung of the ladder. There is a great opportunity to enter internships. Some Departments are seeking extensions for their interns. This may be where a project has become bigger than envisaged or where an intern is doing so well that there is an opportunity to give him or her further work and keep him or her on for nine months, thus resulting in a superb experience for the intern. I ask the Minister to examine how JobBridge is working in the public sector and whether considerable flexibility can be allowed such that a young intern can get an extension of three months.

Hawk Wing 2 · 16-08-2012 01:15PM

Coffee Shop Manager

Description
The intern will gain practical experience in managing a small social enterprise, working with staff rostering, menu development, business development and marketing new food ideas. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: health and hygiene, food preparation, stock taking and ordering and running a small enterprise. On completion the intern will have attained skills in running a small enterprise, working as part of a team, organising, planning ahead, ordering stock and developing a menu.

Skills Requirements
Person will want to work as part of a dynamic team, will have an interest in managing a food enterprise in a coffee shop, will work within the ethical guidelines set down by the co-op - food stock should be fair trade and locally sourced/grown. Person will be self motivated, a good communicator, well organised and keen to develop a little business as a social enterprise.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DOGyI43cHCiBEFpUuPyXWe414J1A8LQYh2Ncl1M1B1kUBGT8Nprb0D3d+LzmcZYfUMSVJgCAm1faJdmkASbySccS5W324w467ZiWqfvKTp7Kg2HqkUZHzqrvEjp6uT6q5qmNRRK+ST1utKB9dKhsJv2HG6hD5bFkOsmbw/KhCdGN7I2/MOHki963R7HaiW8vBFg5cWFs5sMemAVO2Wb0qMkQ9vcLrc+emsy0p+9jE+JrRpOtr+Ti2YzOCw3khH8xAYTIv0WNULvW5aZIiCQclXiqY3BN16WEaHw98TWp9H7PWdC/PCWrslAC5krExXkCuTET3kNTUdzhBY1AhoeLqQSmf9wJfNffcJrcGFVHfckD5px1NblCwFdhcTlYTakqgXyDFRzchnnp+nXCJOSJeCqBduuIMoFoOAibH3YtzYfQ

Sup08 · 16-08-2012 01:19PM

Hawk Wing 2 wrote: »

Coffee Shop Manager

Description
The intern will gain practical experience in managing a small social enterprise, working with staff rostering, menu development, business development and marketing new food ideas. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: health and hygiene, food preparation, stock taking and ordering and running a small enterprise. On completion the intern will have attained skills in running a small enterprise, working as part of a team, organising, planning ahead, ordering stock and developing a menu.

Skills Requirements
Person will want to work as part of a dynamic team, will have an interest in managing a food enterprise in a coffee shop, will work within the ethical guidelines set down by the co-op - food stock should be fair trade and locally sourced/grown. Person will be self motivated, a good communicator, well organised and keen to develop a little business as a social enterprise.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DOGyI43cHCiBEFpUuPyXWe414J1A8LQYh2Ncl1M1B1kUBGT8Nprb0D3d+LzmcZYfUMSVJgCAm1faJdmkASbySccS5W324w467ZiWqfvKTp7Kg2HqkUZHzqrvEjp6uT6q5qmNRRK+ST1utKB9dKhsJv2HG6hD5bFkOsmbw/KhCdGN7I2/MOHki963R7HaiW8vBFg5cWFs5sMemAVO2Wb0qMkQ9vcLrc+emsy0p+9jE+JrRpOtr+Ti2YzOCw3khH8xAYTIv0WNULvW5aZIiCQclXiqY3BN16WEaHw98TWp9H7PWdC/PCWrslAC5krExXkCuTET3kNTUdzhBY1AhoeLqQSmf9wJfNffcJrcGFVHfckD5px1NblCwFdhcTlYTakqgXyDFRzchnnp+nXCJOSJeCqBduuIMoFoOAibH3YtzYfQ

you forgot to add the requirements..

Third Level - Catering, Business and Marketing, Social enterprise, Management skills-modules in any of these would be an advantage as part of any third level course.

allibastor · 16-08-2012 01:19PM

Hawk Wing 2 wrote: »

Coffee Shop Manager

Description
The intern will gain practical experience in managing a small social enterprise, working with staff rostering, menu development, business development and marketing new food ideas. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: health and hygiene, food preparation, stock taking and ordering and running a small enterprise. On completion the intern will have attained skills in running a small enterprise, working as part of a team, organising, planning ahead, ordering stock and developing a menu.

Skills Requirements
Person will want to work as part of a dynamic team, will have an interest in managing a food enterprise in a coffee shop, will work within the ethical guidelines set down by the co-op - food stock should be fair trade and locally sourced/grown. Person will be self motivated, a good communicator, well organised and keen to develop a little business as a social enterprise.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DOGyI43cHCiBEFpUuPyXWe414J1A8LQYh2Ncl1M1B1kUBGT8Nprb0D3d+LzmcZYfUMSVJgCAm1faJdmkASbySccS5W324w467ZiWqfvKTp7Kg2HqkUZHzqrvEjp6uT6q5qmNRRK+ST1utKB9dKhsJv2HG6hD5bFkOsmbw/KhCdGN7I2/MOHki963R7HaiW8vBFg5cWFs5sMemAVO2Wb0qMkQ9vcLrc+emsy0p+9jE+JrRpOtr+Ti2YzOCw3khH8xAYTIv0WNULvW5aZIiCQclXiqY3BN16WEaHw98TWp9H7PWdC/PCWrslAC5krExXkCuTET3kNTUdzhBY1AhoeLqQSmf9wJfNffcJrcGFVHfckD5px1NblCwFdhcTlYTakqgXyDFRzchnnp+nXCJOSJeCqBduuIMoFoOAibH3YtzYfQ

what a load of ****, report it. how you can be a manger and an intern i would love to know

Hawk Wing 2 · 16-08-2012 01:24PM

allibastor wrote: »

what a load of ****, report it. how you can be a manger and an intern i would love to know

its laughable, FAS is absolutely full of this stuff

allibastor · 16-08-2012 01:29PM

i just reported it to job bridge anyway. that is shocking
they want you to be an intern, and then run the place, who is your mentor, the lad drinking coffee down the back? who do you turn to if something happens you don't know about, or what happens if you require some on the spot information. also i doubt by the very nature of the role you will need little experience in how to run a shop

wylo · 16-08-2012 02:01PM

Not arguing for the sake of arguing here, but maybe theres a real manager there and its basically an assistance/trainee manager type role that genuinely gives you experience in management.

Also, of course qualifications are to be expected, its the experience that you are getting BECAUSE you have a qualification, Im not sure what the fuss is about here. The ones that bug me are the ones that require experience already, especially ones that arent very high skilled.

allibastor · 16-08-2012 02:27PM

wylo wrote: »

Not arguing for the sake of arguing here, but maybe theres a real manager there and its basically an assistance/trainee manager type role that genuinely gives you experience in management.

Also, of course qualifications are to be expected, its the experience that you are getting BECAUSE you have a qualification, Im not sure what the fuss is about here. The ones that bug me are the ones that require experience already, especially ones that arent very high skilled.

it doesn't say assistant anyway to be fair, it says manager. if it was for an assistant it would say so, as they have to be very specific when placing an ad with job bridge.

wylo · 16-08-2012 02:39PM

allibastor wrote: »

it doesn't say assistant anyway to be fair, it says manager. if it was for an assistant it would say so, as they have to be very specific when placing an ad with job bridge.

An aspiring manager isnt just going to get a job straight away from nothing, but here they can, and even better, they can mess up because they are allowed to mess up, 9 months later, they will have solid managerial experience whether or not they have a boss to guide them or not.

Dont get me wrong, some of these jobs are a joke, but you have to remember there are certain benefits when taking up an intern, and the owner of that coffee shop will have to accept that the trainee manager is only an intern, which limits whats expected of them.

My point being, its not like they are taking on a guaranteed reliable experienced manager as free labour.

allibastor · 16-08-2012 03:16PM

wylo wrote: »

An aspiring manager isnt just going to get a job straight away from nothing, but here they can, and even better, they can mess up because they are allowed to mess up, 9 months later, they will have solid managerial experience whether or not they have a boss to guide them or not.

Dont get me wrong, some of these jobs are a joke, but you have to remember there are certain benefits when taking up an intern, and the owner of that coffee shop will have to accept that the trainee manager is only an intern, which limits whats expected of them.

My point being, its not like they are taking on a guaranteed reliable experienced manager as free labour.

Apply for the job and see what happens with your lack of experience. I will bet you my left nut you will be given the PFO letter if you have never actually run a coffee shop, or have little or no managerial exp. Anyone, with a brain bigger then a walnut will not leave a business, even a coffee shop in the hands of a person who is meant to be on training, if they do not have the experience for it.

I agree that it would be a fantastic opportunity for someone who wants to be a manager to get going, but i have no doubt that it will be given to someone who has worked as a manger before, or has extensive experience in being an assistant manager in a place where no manager role would exist. also i would love to see what happens in the nine months after this.

NakedNNettles · 17-08-2012 02:41AM

Idle Passerby wrote: »

I quit mine when after I pointed out that I wasnt doing the job advertised my employer more or less said "tough sh1t". I reported the company and as far as I know its been denied access to any more interns.

Fair play!

Many's a one would put their head down and carry on like a stooge.

I'm totally against JobBridge but if you feel you need to do it, then make sure that you're the one reaping the benefits, not the company.

Don't be taken advantage of people.

Name and Shame Job Bridge

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