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Dacia Duster

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    Not a car for us, but I'd say they will sell langerloads of them, much like when the Fiat Punto came out back in the day.

    I doubt it to be fair.

    - Lack of available credit

    - Lack of people in a position to buy new

    - Mistrust of the unknown

    little or no marketing push ....... and sales people can't be arsed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Dacia are like the ryanair of the motor industry.

    I bet youll end up having someone in the car with you selling smokeless fags and scratch cards to your passengers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    I've driven one and I gotta say its exactly what it should be. Put it this way, you would find it very very hard to be dissapointed at the price. I like things simple so my own view is to buy the entry version diesel and to hell with extras I dont want or need. Infact if anything the rugged look of the entry version on steel rims is more in keeping with the whole theme. My two cents anyway.

    Badge snobs wont buy it or get it for that matter, all the better for it I think. You wont need to explain why you bought this car yet your neighbour will have to explain why he/she spent so much more on a Tiguan/Cashcow/8 year old Audi Allroad with 100,000s of KM up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭Franticfrank


    Dacia are like the ryanair of the motor industry.

    I bet youll end up having someone in the car with you selling smokeless fags and scratch cards to your passengers.

    I think that's a bit harsh to be honest. I've driven the Logan but not the Duster and it felt fine. It has a renault engine and gearbox - the car is basically a French model produced in Romania. The one I drove was quite comfortable, handled well, had air conditioning...really everything necessary, everything you want in a normal car. The only fault was that the back seats wouldn't fold down. Meant you couldn't carry anything big in the back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    As I said before, if it turns out to be tough and reliable, it could work.
    A friend of mine just bought an 05 Audi A4 2.0 TDI for less than E6k.
    Why?
    Because Audi decided to put a pair of balancing shafts between drive from the engine and the oil pump.
    After a certain while the chain tensioner snaps (made from chaep plastic, of course), the chain will only run for so long over a sharp metal surface, which lies under the tensioner, should the chains snap, the oil pump ceases to work, your turbos get fcuked and you're looking at a E6k bill to put it right.
    Unless you're willing to strip half the engine yourself and get parts here, there and everywhere and you might be able to do it for E2k if you cut many corners.
    So your 7 year old Audi is suddenly worth half of what it should be worth, you can sell it, cut your losses and buy a banger to get you around, or you take out a second mortgage to put it right and you will still have to sell it, because you're broke and cannot afford the astronomical servicing bills anymore.
    Modern cars are a bit like a reversed lottery. You could drive one for ages and nothing goes wrong, or you get one where you hear "that" noise and you're looking at a 6-10k bill to put something right that has been overdesigned and mostly designed on the cheap and made cheaply by the manufacturer, thinking "Ah, be grand, we'll just let the poor sap who buys the car pick up the bill for that"
    So, if Dacia manages to build a cheap, cheerful car that doesn't go "boing" and cost you E10k every time it does, they could be onto a winner.
    Some people will always want to buy their premium brands because either the neighbor has one, or they genuinely like them, and a lot of other people are more interested in cars that don't cost them half the purchase price again in things that go "boing".
    It worked for these guys:

    1-lada-niva_resimleri.jpg

    Actually in Germany you will see a lot of Ladas and Dacias, because there is a big market for cheap, simple rugged automobiles there, if anything it will be Irish badge snobbery that prevents it taking off here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭mrblack


    Wouldn't disagree with Dr Fuzz. there at all. My 2004 A4 had its tiptronic box go at 125k miles and was quoted €6K by dealer for a replacement! Luckily I got it reconditioned for < €2k by A&M gearboxes who did a great job. But the experience has put me off Audis totally as it sseems to me that they just want to force trade ins rather than fairly price big repair jobs on cars that are pushing on in years.

    With three boys under 8 who eat chocolate/crisps/chocices/99's/sambos and then liberally apply the ingredients to seats windows handles and carpets its sounds like the Dacia duster is perfect for the job of being an unfussy children transporter. If three booster seats fit across the back seat and its reliable cheap to run and service then I's definitely be interested. I would pay a bit extra for the safety upgrades though.

    MrBlack


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Hi Folks,

    Would you like a brand new car for €14999?


    http://www.carzone.ie/reviews/new-car-reviews/Dacia/Duster/2013/143/

    What do you think?

    A couple of things worth noting

    1. It is built in the same place as the Renault Fluence.

    2. It shares the same 1.5 DCi engine as Renault and Nissan Quashquai.

    Would you buy one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    Would you buy one?

    Since you will lose a huge amount of money on any car, I would. 3 young kids, large dog, plus other tools in car parks etc, my car is in poor condition. Would I buy a car brand new for 15k, get somewhere near 50mpg and cheaper road tax or spend a bit more on a second hand car, like I did last time, and get bugger all warranty, I will go for the new one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Dacia are here already, see below

    http://www.dacia.ie,

    My guess for €15k and 3 year warranty, 50 mpg , low road tax, could not go too far wrong.

    Would be interested in comparing it side by side with Quashquai!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭readytosnap


    Since you will lose a huge amount of money on any car, I would. 3 young kids, large dog, plus other tools in car parks etc, my car is in poor condition. Would I buy a car brand new for 15k, get somewhere near 50mpg and cheaper road tax or spend a bit more on a second hand car, like I did last time, and get bugger all warranty, I will go for the new one.
    this will be their customer, even with the 5 year warranty the car is cheap and probably will be worth feck all after the five years but at 15500 for 5 years worry free motoring its not that excessive €60 euro a week, could prove a great buy for some people ( obviously excluding the badge snobs)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭andyseadog


    it doesn't look "that" bad for a budget car, particularly from the front.

    i predict they will sell like hotcakes, they tick all the "irish" boxes

    probably the cheapest route to a brand new number plate in ireland if you want a "proper" sized car. tick.

    poverty spec featuring keep fit windows and steel wheels "less to go wrong" theory. check.

    weedy diesel with cheap tax. check.

    driving a toyota, i'm not one to talk, but i'd say the quality of trim and fit and finish inside will be sh1t.

    would i buy one? probably not, i'd rather a second hand (argueably) better car.

    give it a few years and see how they wear, they may prove roubust and then you'd consider one as a day to day shed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Since you will lose a huge amount of money on any car, I would. 3 young kids, large dog, plus other tools in car parks etc, my car is in poor condition. Would I buy a car brand new for 15k, get somewhere near 50mpg and cheaper road tax or spend a bit more on a second hand car, like I did last time, and get bugger all warranty, I will go for the new one.
    this will be their customer, even with the 5 year warranty the car is cheap and probably will be worth feck all after the five years but at 15500 for 5 years worry free motoring its not that excessive €60 euro a week, could prove a great buy for some people ( obviously excluding the badge snobs)

    http://www.dacia.ie/media/att00092458/Top_Gear_Duster_review.pdf

    Interesting write up from James May.

    I agree €60 per week over 5 years, low road tax and 50MPG , how bad?

    Even if for the badge snob , their car will be worth damn all after 5 years.

    It is a nice alternative to spending €15k on a second hand car on Done Deal!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    In the flesh the car looks and feels very cheap. In saying that, it looks like great value at that money and will appeal to a fairly large chunk of the Irish market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,770 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    What's the next cheapest car of around that size with AWD?


  • Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    HOw much is an awd duster though?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Anan1 wrote: »
    What's the next cheapest car of around that size with AWD?


    Dacia Duster Price List incl AWD Version

    As far as I can see the car it appears to be competing with is the Quashqai.

    I understand they are circa 40% cheaper than the Nissan equivalent

    http://www.dacia.ie/media/pdf/att00099938/DusterPriceList.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,770 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Apologies, I thought they were all AWD!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    RoverJames wrote: »
    HOw much is an awd duster though?

    Awd €18990.


  • Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    19k for an AWD one, that'd buy a lot of legacy diesel second hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    RoverJames wrote: »
    19k for an AWD one, that'd buy a lot of legacy diesel second hand.

    I guess you are right. What would it buy, year mileage, warranty etc?


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  • Subscribers Posts: 17,115 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    In the flesh the car looks and feels very cheap. In saying that, it looks like great value at that money and will appeal to a fairly large chunk of the Irish market.

    I didn't think that at all, looks and feels 'spartan' and solid I thought. Kinda remind you of a Nissan X-Trail.

    A solid 4wd with decent space for 19k with a 3 year warranty will be a no brainer for a lot of people. Especially as a second car.

    They will also be incredibly popular on the second hand market, imagine a 2 year old one with at least a year but maybe 3 years left on the warranty for 10-12k for AWD.

    The premium for four wheel drive is a big percentage but not crazy compared to what Nissan or Skoda charge so I'd imagine plenty of people will take up that option, especially as it stays in the B car tax.

    They are massively popular in Germany and France and it will be the same here IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    RoverJames wrote: »
    19k for an AWD one, that'd buy a lot of legacy diesel second hand.

    Have you any views on Legacy, how would it compare with Duster? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    RoverJames wrote: »
    19k for an AWD one, that'd buy a lot of legacy diesel second hand.
    But why pay 19k for a second hand car with no warranty, not knowing the real history of the car, not taken away it would be a nice second hand car, and be worried about every little dent and scrap.

    These are what I would call new car bangernomics!


  • Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd see them as fairly incomparable tbh, reg snobs are as bad as badge snobs imo, spending 19k on a car because its new and cheap makes little to no sense to me. Warranties have benefit no doubt but the benefit is over valued by many.
    You'd be as worried about your new duster getting a scrape surely? It's not hard to find mint 20k used cars. Most would have a warranty too, not for 5 years of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    To be fair, I'd rather a 2/3 year old legacy over a brand new duster too. But that's just me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    copacetic wrote: »
    I didn't think that at all, looks and feels 'spartan' and solid I thought. Kinda remind you of a Nissan X-Trail.

    A solid 4wd with decent space for 19k with a 3 year warranty will be a no brainer for a lot of people. Especially as a second car.

    They will also be incredibly popular on the second hand market, imagine a 2 year old one with at least a year but maybe 3 years left on the warranty for 10-12k for AWD.

    The premium for four wheel drive is a big percentage but not crazy compared to what Nissan or Skoda charge so I'd imagine plenty of people will take up that option, especially as it stays in the B car tax.

    They are massively popular in Germany and France and it will be the same here IMO.

    I think this will be a major seller. If it is selling well in Germany it should do well here. It is an ideal family car, well priced , good warranty. It may also be bought as the second car in some homes. Price wise it must be in Ford Fiesta territory.
    The Renault Fluence which I understand is built in the same factory has been a good seller in Ireland, see no real reasons why it's Dacia Duster cousin won't sell equally well. The class B road tax is also a great Sales feature


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    For me, it wouldbe one I would consider. Until I see the car and drive it, thats the key.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    I'd get one. Wouldn't bother with a diesel engine though. Don't like them yokes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    For me, it wouldbe one I would consider. Until I see the car and drive it, thats the key.

    Agree. But it would be nice to drive a brand new SUV for the price of a new Fiesta


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭cgal093


    Does it come with a petrol engine?


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