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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #632
    wolf 999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭wolf 999


    Down with this sort of thing


  • #633
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    alastair wrote: »
    I think you'll find that my 'British loyalist opinion' is actually a considered reading of the reality of the relationship between the Republic of Ireland, and Northern Ireland as defined by the GFA

    Hilarious.


  • #634
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    lugha wrote: »
    Your analogy does not quite fit. You personally (I presume?) did not vote for FF so your respect for their mandate cannot be construed to imply that you supported their policies. A better fit would be to cite the Irish electorate who DID support FF led administrations for three elections on the spin and cannot, collectively as an electorate, claim with any credibility that FF did not have their support (not that we are not having a valiant attempt at doing exactly this!)
    You don't get it so I'll put it simply, one can "put up" with a political situation because that is what democracy is about, but that certainly does not mean you have to like it or must not try to change it, that is the very nature of the systems we use, for the simple reason there are many different people with differing attitudes and political outlooks.
    The Good Friday Agreement was endorsed by virtually all nationalists which IMO compels them to accept it; in its entirety, warts and all, and not simply pocket the concessions to their side.
    I think they/we do accept it, the problem would be getting the Unionists to accept it if a referendum ever went in favour of a UI.
    And if you have trouble with signs or other artefacts that illustrate that this island consists of two states then it is difficult to see how someone can reconcile this with “accepting GFA”.’
    Do try to keep up.
    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    I can totally understand many in border communities not being happy with these signs, looking at them I can almost hear Paisly's voice saying the phrase, but personally I will just put them in the same bracket as "Welcome to The Sunny South East" or "Welcome to Connemara" signs.
    But I do think "Welcome to The North" would have been less contentious.

    .
    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    Yes, you voted by allowing the people of Northern Ireland to decide any future decisions on its constitutional position. That is recognizing Northern Ireland.
    James Connelly would have been the opposite and went on Republican principle. That is the key of this, principle. You obviously don't care for Republican principles and come across as a hypocrite.
    Sorry kiddo bye. Feeding time is over.


  • #635
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Sorry kiddo bye. Feeding time is over.
    You have no argument for it because you know it is true. Sinn Fein are NOT for a Socialist Republic like some in the party try to claim. Sinn Fein are working in a British government which is in the United Kingdom. Why do you think there is a lot of Republicans turning against Sinn Fein? It is pretty obvious to most people with any sense.

    Sinn Fein are now working for the capitalist elite and not for local people.


  • #636
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    Sorry kiddo bye. Feeding time is over.

    This ^^


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  • #637
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Hilarious.

    Aww diddums. Are we still glossing over the democratic decision to abandon the constitutional principle of the nation as an all-island territorial claim then? Northern Ireland as not only extra-national as a jurisdiction, but also as an extra-national territory.

    Sounds kind of like the sort of thing that might warrant some signposting, eh?


  • #638
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Even if you are agrieved by a constant reminder that you live in a partitioned state, you still have to accept that it is necessary to indicate to people that they are entering a different jurisdiction with the different laws, rules and currency.

    If it is the case that the problem is solely with the use of the wording "Welcome to Northern Ireland" then what alternative wording would you suggest to inform people they are entering a seperate political and legal entity?

    And if the name Northern Ireland is so offensive then why is there no campaigns against its use in other areas such as torism or the Northern Assembly?


  • #639
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Even if you are agrieved by a constant reminder that you live in a partitioned state, you still have to accept that it is necessary to indicate to people that they are entering a different jurisdiction with the different laws, rules and currency.

    If it is the case that the problem is solely with the use of the wording "Welcome to Northern Ireland" then what alternative wording would you suggest to inform people they are entering a seperate political and legal entity?

    And if the name Northern Ireland is so offensive then why is there no campaigns against its use in other areas such as torism or the Northern Assembly?
    Common sense and logic is too much for some Republicans in this regard. Hatred and bigotry is all they can bring to the table.


  • #640
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    alastair wrote: »
    Aww diddums. Are we still glossing over the democratic decision to abandon the constitutional principle of the nation as an all-island territorial claim then? Northern Ireland as not only extra-national as a jurisdiction, but also as an extra-national territory.

    Oh please. Stop talking shíte.


  • #641
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    This ^^
    Stop accusing everyone of being a troll please. Reported for your constant offensive remarks.


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  • #642
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭Solair


    It should have read:

    "Welcome to Northern Ireland"
    Speed limits in archaic units.
    Banks print their own weird money. Don't worry, it is REAL money!
    Avoid discussing politics - Can get weird!

    Then the same as Gaeilge.


  • #643
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    alastair wrote: »
    Are we still glossing over the democratic decision to abandon the constitutional principle of the nation as an all-island territorial claim then?

    Sounds eerily similar to this..
    The Prime Minister, on behalf of the British Government, reaffirms ... that they have no selfish strategic or economic interest in Northern Ireland.

    The Downing Street Declaration, Wednesday 15 December 1993


  • #644
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Oh please. Stop talking shíte.

    You are refusing to acknowledge the extra-national nature of NI, aren't you? That's not very democratic, I gotta say.


  • #645
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Sounds eerily similar to this..

    Except that when you remove the 'selfish strategic or economic interests' you're left with quite a pile of UK legal, sovereign, and national interests in the territory. No such claims from this state.


  • #646
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MagicSean wrote: »
    what alternative wording would you suggest to inform people they are entering a seperate political and legal entity?

    I'd question the need for anything other than a sign stating that speed limits have changed from KPH to MPH.

    These are, after all, only roads not international airports.


  • #647
    lugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    You don't get it so I'll put it simply, one can "put up" with a political situation because that is what democracy is about, but that certainly does not mean you have to like it or must not try to change it

    But it is hardly "putting up" with an arrangement if you actually voted in support of it (the bit you don’t seem to get). In this case surely you should honour that commitment? And part of GFA was to accept arrangements as they currently are with respect to Northern Ireland. There was no sub clause that they had to like it or no prohibition on them trying to change it; indeed the mechanism that would trigger a change (a NI majority in favour) was part of the agreement.

    But until that change happens the honourable attitude for nationalist to take to the OP is to say “ we don’t like this partition thingy, but we agreed to accept it so we will just have to grit our teeth and clinch our buttocks until enough nordies go insane and decide to throw their lot in with the free staters”

    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    the problem would be getting the Unionists to accept it if a referendum ever went in favour of a UI.

    Indeed it would be a problem (I suspect they won’t accept it). Of course it will be compounded by the fact that they can quite reasonably argue that nationalists did not really respect GFA before unification so why should they after?


  • #648
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    Common sense and logic is too much for some Republicans in this regard. Hatred and bigotry is all they can bring to the table.

    Hatred and bigotry? Need I bring up your previous posts?


  • #649
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    Hatred and bigotry? Need I bring up your previous posts?
    Defending minorities on the Island of Ireland is perfectly rational. You might not like that but some people like defending other people.


  • #650
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'd question the need for anything other than a sign stating that speed limits have changed from KPH to MPH.

    These are, after all, only roads not international airports.

    So you see no need to inform people that they are under different laws?


  • #651
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    lugha wrote: »
    But it is hardly "putting up" with an arrangement if you actually voted in support of it (the bit you don’t seem to get). In this case surely you should honour that commitment? And part of GFA was to accept arrangements as they currently are with respect to Northern Ireland. There was no sub clause that they had to like it or no prohibition on them trying to change it; indeed the mechanism that would trigger a change (a NI majority in favour) was part of the agreement.

    But until that change happens the honourable attitude for nationalist to take to the OP is to say “ we don’t like this partition thingy, but we agreed to accept it so we will just have to grit our teeth and clinch our buttocks until enough nordies go insane and decide to throw their lot in with the free staters”




    Indeed it would be a problem (I suspect they won’t accept it). Of course it will be compounded by the fact that they can quite reasonably argue that nationalists did not really respect GFA before unification so why should they after?
    WTF are you actually arguing here?
    In what way am I not honouring the GFA??
    “ we don’t like this partition thingy, but we agreed to accept it so we will just have to grit our teeth and clinch our buttocks until enough nordies go insane and decide to throw their lot in with the free staters”
    Or to put it another way "put up with it" :confused:


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  • #652
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    Defending minorities on the Island of Ireland is perfectly rational. You might not like that but some people like defending other people.

    Yeah, I distinctly recall Harold Gracey saying something like that back in 1998 when he claimed a right to march up his "King's [sic] highway" in Drumcree the morning after the three Quinn children were burned alive in their beds by Orange Order supporters in Ballymoney.


    Because "defending minorities" is always a great thing, right?


  • #653
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    lugha wrote: »
    But it is hardly "putting up" with an arrangement if you actually voted in support of it

    There was a nasty conflict to quell and that was perhaps the principle driving force behind voting yes to the GFA for most. The GFA is not akin to some sort of biblical map to utopia. The GFA is not the end-game for republicans, rather, a step on the path to their ideological goal of a UI.


  • #654
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Yeah, I distinctly recall Harold Gracey saying something like that back in 1998 when he claimed a right to march up his "King's [sic] highway" in Drumcree the morning after the three Quinn children were burned alive in their beds by Orange Order supporters in Ballymoney.


    Because "defending minorities" is always a great thing, right?
    If you want to discriminate against a minority (Orange Order) within a minority in Ulster, that is up to you. I refuse to do that.


  • #655
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MagicSean wrote: »
    So you see no need to inform people that they are under different laws?

    What laws pertain to people who are driving on a road other than driving laws? The laws line is a total red herring. 'Welcome to the UK NI' is not a leaflet on the differences in laws.

    Were not talking about travelling from the Netherlands to Saudi Arabia here our laws are pretty damn similar.


  • #656
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Genghis Khan. wrote: »
    Defending minorities on the Island of Ireland is perfectly rational. You might not like that but some people like defending other people.

    Sure I thought Ulster Loyalists had nothing to do with the highlighted part. Sure there's a border seperating you from us savage Papists, Genghis.

    Awk sure, Defending minorities has always been very important to Unionists. Sure Northern Ireland is the rebel State, like you told me earlier. It's all about maintaining the rights of people and Counties, just like you said.

    They had there best chance to display these positive and admirable qualities when they inherited the North East, eh.

    Sure we can always dream can't we, Genghis. Otherwise reality will hit us like a ton of bricks.


  • #657
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    Sure I thought Ulster Loyalists had nothing to do with the highlighted part. Sure there's a border seperating you from us savage Papists, Genghis.

    Awk sure, Defending minorities has always been very important to Unionists. Sure Northern Ireland is the rebel State, like you told me earlier. It's all about maintaining the rights of people and Counties, just like you said.

    They had there best chance to display these positive and admirable qualities when they inherited the North East, eh.

    Sure we can always dream can't we, Genghis. Otherwise reality will hit us like a ton of bricks.
    Why are you talking about things which happened in the past?. If people wish to remain in the Union and keep six counties rights away from Dublin, that is up to them. And most people know it is an Island.


  • #658
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    What laws pertain to people who are driving on a road other than driving laws? The laws line is a total red herring. 'Welcome to the UK NI' is not a leaflet on the differences in laws.

    Were not talking about travelling from the Netherlands to Saudi Arabia here our laws are pretty damn similar.

    Similar is not the same. You seem to be lumping all driving laws in with speeding laws. That is very simplistic. For example the tax and insurance laws are different as are the procedures for fixed charge penalties.


  • #659
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Similar is not the same. You seem to be lumping all driving laws in with speeding laws. That is very simplistic. For example the tax and insurance laws are different as are the procedures for fixed charge penalties.

    People should know this stuff in advance. 'Welcome to NI' is hardly going to help them much


  • #660
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Well, this thread has went exceptionally well for magic Sean, but yet he still keeps digging.

    Ignorance is bliss.


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  • #661
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    What laws pertain to people who are driving on a road other than driving laws?

    'You are now entering a no-beans-in-fry region'?

    Some kind of May McFettridge / Mrs Brown Checkpont Charlie crossover arrangement?

    'Sniper at work'?

    The list is endless.


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