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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #452
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Ghandee wrote: »
    That's how they work in the north too though:confused:

    It's a wonder the Orange Order isn't objecting to the green part in traffic lights, especially as it's clearly not only supportive of Irish freedom but provoking all the Fenians to advance.


  • #453
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The signs are just territory marking

    This, obviously this. Anybody who really thinks that a culture whose most popular organisation's raison d'être revolves around territory marking -ever hear of Orange marches? - is not engaging in blatant territory marking here is quite simply disconnected from reality.

    At any rate, as somebody said they will all be removed by the locals along the border soon enough.


  • #454
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Is a bit of nonsense anyway as there is not a hope that the signs would remain in one piece. The places where the signs are located are not wanted in the locality and will continually be removed unless there is 24 hour security deployed and even at that their chances would remain slim


  • #455
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Ghandee wrote: »

    As previously pointed out, I'd imagine their could be outrage by unionists if signs were erected at Belfast or Derry airports saying 'welcome to the island of Ireland'
    .

    The Island of Ireland is not a country.


  • #456
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,747 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Great, then, let's just put a sign up saying "Welcome to the Occupied Six Counties", and place it in a loyalist heartland like Ballymena. Anybody annoyed by this clearly apolitical unprovocative move "should get their head felt". :rolleyes:
    Stop being silly now. :)

    It's not called the Occupied Six Counties, it is called Northern Ireland.


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  • #457
    phog
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    SF should put one up as you cross the border from NI to the Republic saying you are now entering "Down Here".


  • #458
    mongdesade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 330 ✭✭mongdesade


    waywardsun wrote: »
    Should it say 'North-Eastern Ireland'.
    Welcome to the 'North of Ireland'


  • #459
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    haulagebasher wrote: »
    By that logic we should be taking down all the brown signs that say "Welcome to County Cork/Waterford/whereever" just in case, god forbid, the people of the neighbouring County got offended.Too much PC pussyfooting around these days. The signs are informative only. IF they had a Union flag background or whatever, that might be provocative but there just small signs.Don't get me started on having an Irish translation on it. Shure even in the south, who ever actually reads the irish text on a road sign? - thats right, no-one. It just clutters up the sign and results in the English version being smaller and harder to read. Like it or Lump it English is our first language. Bi-lingual me arse. The cupla focal does not an irish speaker make.
    In fact, a few gaeltacht areas have Irish only signs, and the locals had to paint the english name of the town underneath because no one knew the irish name!
    Ghandee wrote: »
    That's easy for you to say as your location is Dublin.

    Some people in the border areas affected obviously are offended by it though.

    As previously pointed out, I'd imagine their could be outrage by unionists if signs were erected at Belfast or Derry airports saying 'welcome to the island of Ireland'

    Same argument.
    If you can't even bear to see the name of the country you live in you should seriously think about moving. Doesn't matter what your passport says, the country is called Norn Iron.


  • #460
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The Island of Ireland is not a country.

    Oh Jesus. The most stupid thing written on Boards - ever.


  • #461
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,747 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    MagicSean wrote: »
    If the term northern Ireland is so offensive then why has there been no uproar over the Northern Ireland tourism ads all over YouTube and the tv?
    There were Visit Northern Ireland advertisement hoardings in Croke Park too the last time I was there.

    If it's good enough for the GAA then it's good enough for the miserable sods in border areas who are "offended" (:pac:) by this.


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  • #462
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    awec wrote: »
    It's not called the Occupied Six Counties, it is called Northern Ireland.

    It is called the Occupied Six Counties. And that's being charitable.


  • #463
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Cienciano wrote: »
    In fact, a few gaeltacht areas have Irish only signs, and the locals had to paint the english name of the town underneath because no one knew the irish name!

    Er, wrong. :o


  • #464
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Oh Jesus. The most stupid thing written on Boards - ever.

    How many airports have signs welcoming you to the geograhphical landmass as opposed to the name of the country?


  • #465
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Seanchai wrote: »
    It is called the Occupied Six Counties. And that's being charitable.

    Oh Jesus. The most stupid thing written on Boards - ever - Part II.


  • #466
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Er, wrong. :o
    Er, right.


  • #467
    Chuck Stone
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    Welcome to Gerrymanderland?


  • #468
    MagicSean
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    This, obviously this. Anybody who really thinks that a culture whose most popular organisation's raison d'être revolves around territory marking -ever hear of Orange marches? - is not engaging in blatant territory marking here is quite simply disconnected from reality.

    At any rate, as somebody said they will all be removed by the locals along the border soon enough.

    And hopefully they will be prosecuted for their vandalism.
    Seanchai wrote: »
    Oh Jesus. The most stupid thing written on Boards - ever.

    He is correct. Stupidity would be arguing it. Whatever you wish the case to be the fact is that Northern Ireland is a seperate political entity to the Republic. Maybe in the future they will be joined but probably not for a long time.
    Seanchai wrote: »
    It is called the Occupied Six Counties. And that's being charitable.

    I've never heard any of the Sinn Fein members of the assembly call it that.
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    How many airports have signs welcoming you to the geograhphical landmass as opposed to the name of the country?

    Australia?


  • #469
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MagicSean wrote: »



    Australia?

    The country ?

    Or the continent that has the same name?

    Which is th esign referring too?My guess is the country.


  • #470
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Cienciano wrote: »
    If you can't even bear to see the name of the country you live in you should seriously think about moving. Doesn't matter what your passport says, the country is called Norn Iron.

    Obviously, it's not. The country is called Ireland. The part of the country that is still currently under British rule belongs to a state currently named the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (formerly, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, formerly the United Kingdom of Great Britain). This is composed of 3 real countries, and a bit of a fourth real country, Ireland.

    If you don't even know the difference between a state and a country you should seriously think about not contributing to political discussions.


  • #471
    lugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The signs are just territory marking
    There is no need to territory mark. The territory of Northern Ireland is accepted, not by virtue of arbitrary decisions by the British 90 years ago but my the overwhelming decision of the Irish people 14 years ago to accept the two state status of the island of Ireland until a majority in Northern Ireland decide otherwise. Of course since ‘98, many Irish nationalists have demonstrated a rather curious understanding of what constitutes accepting the status quo, pretending as they like to do that the border isn’t there at all at all.

    Rather than getting offended wouldn’t nationalists be better advised to persuade their fellow NI citizens to be rid of the border and then this issue wouldn’t arise? I wonder how tolerant they would be, in a united Ireland, of unionists pretending that a former British jurisdiction is still one? (For a sneak preview, refer to the thread on our ill-informed Australian sports’ pundit )


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  • #472
    MagicSean
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Welcome to Gerrymanderland?

    The signs send you back in time too? That was witheld in the news report.


  • #473
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    MagicSean wrote: »
    He is correct. Stupidity would be arguing it. Whatever you wish the case to be the fact is that Northern Ireland is a seperate political entity to the Republic.

    Your inability to appreciate something as basic as the difference between a political entity and a country is where you're going wrong here. The place currently known as "Northern Ireland" is indeed the former, but it never was and never will be the latter. It is only part of a country, Ireland.


  • #474
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MagicSean wrote: »
    The signs send you back in time too? That was witheld in the news report.

    The creation of the six counties was a grand exercise in gerrymandering.

    I'll even link you to a wikipedia page that will explain 'gerrymandering' for you.

    Here you go.


  • #475
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Er, right.

    I'll put this down to an inability on your part to understand what you are claiming. Because you will be able to post a reference supporting your (rather silly) claim, won't you?

    Answer: Er, no.


  • #476
    Chuck Stone
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    lugha wrote: »
    There is no need to territory mark.

    Thanks. I'm glad you agree the signs are a stupid idea.


  • #477
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    alastair wrote: »
    Oh Jesus. The most stupid thing written on Boards - ever - Part II.

    I'm absolutely certain, dear alastair, you've been called many things, even though you might be officially named something else.

    Now, is your grasp of the Queen's English improving even slightly?


  • #478
    Ghandee
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The Island of Ireland is not a country.

    No, but its undeniable that Belfast (insert any other name you want in the six counties) is on the island of Ireland.

    What would be the problem if its factual?

    Many will argue that 'northern Ireland' is a country, no one will argue that the six counties are on the island of Ireland.

    That should keep all sides happy in the north so?


  • #479
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Ghandee wrote: »
    No, but its undeniable that Belfast (insert any other name you want in the six counties) is on the island of Ireland.

    What would be the problem if its factual?

    Many will argue that 'northern Ireland' is a country, no one will argue that the six counties are on the island of Ireland.

    That should keep all sides happy in the north so?

    If we're keeping all sides happy the sign would have to say "welcome to the world".

    Course it would have to say that in all countries. might get confusing. Maybe just stick to the traditional way of telling visitors what country they are landing in by having the sign tell them the name of the country.


  • #480
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Seanchai wrote: »
    I'll put this down to an inability on your part to understand what you are claiming. Because you will be able to post a reference supporting your (rather silly) claim, won't you?

    Answer: Er, no.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dingle-An_Daingean_graffiti.jpg


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  • #481
    lugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Thanks. I'm glad you agree the signs are a stupid idea.
    Well my point was more about how those who object to the signs can justify their opposition, but you're welcome.


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