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Dress Codes

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  • #32
    Benny Cake
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    Don't see the problem really. If you have an issue with an aspect of a clubs dresscode, simply avoid the place. There are dresscodes in countless bars & restaurants around the country & they seem to operate without any real hassle....


  • #33
    TheDoc
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    Almaviva wrote: »
    But you are making the same mistake. : against snobbery, but stating that yoi want 'proper' attire on the course. Who decide what 'proper' is. You ? Or each individual ? Golf is not like football or skiing where identification of teams or practical protection from the elements is essential. There is no such need in golf. In the 19th century men played in jackets and ties, your game wouldnt be affected if you played in the nip either. So the only 'proper' attire is someone else decision of you they want to see you.

    If you have no time for snobbery, let people wear what they wish.

    There is a difference. There is the attire that is deemed as a fitting representation for the sport.

    Footballers wouldn't be allowed wear tank tops and 3/4 lengths.

    Hurlers arnt allowed wear shin guards.

    Rugby players arnt allowed wear shoulder pads.

    While all of the above might be deemed more comfortable, safer and preferred, there is a representation of the image of the game.

    Golf has a representation and image while the game is played.

    Slacks or tailored shorts.
    collared t-shirt
    polo neck t-shirt-long sleeve.
    Golf shoes

    This isn't snobbery, this is accepting the attire that you have to wear whilst playing the game. I dont particularly want to fork out the €60 for a Club Jumper, but if I'm representing the club then I know its required, its our kit, its our club colours.

    There is a difference between what is required when playing the game to uphold the games image of attire and visual representation, to what you wear in the clubhouse when having a pint or dinner.

    Personally, I wouldn't actually give a toss what anyone wore when playing golf. The game should be encouraged to be played and for those that enjoy it to partake. But at the same time I can see and accept the request of attire whilst playing golf.

    And in the current modern era, with so much choice in terms of lighter cooler materials to t-shirts and trousers, choice of colours and designs and basically specifically designed golf clothing to ensure your comfort while playing. Its not like we are stuck with heavy cotton baggy trousers tucked into knee socks.

    Although I definitely wouldn't appreciate being denied entry to a clubhouse on the basis of not having a tie or a blazer. And to be fair, what clubs really enforce a strict formal dress code? Most clubs are screaming for patrons in their clubhouses and money. Sure even the KClub has slashed its membership to like €2000 or something for yearly membership(on one of the courses) and appended its clubhouse dress code to entice the more common golfer to their track.

    As a matter of genuine interest, is anyone here a member of a club that has a really strict, formal dress code for clubhouse patronage?


  • #34
    Almaviva
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    Jaysoose wrote: »
    Why would you refuse to join a club based on the fact that you refuse to not wear football tops and jeans

    Is a serious misreading of my post.
    I didnt say I would refuse to join a club with a restriction on wearing football tops or jeans (as it happens my club does prohibit those garments on the course).
    Nor did I say that I refuse to not wear football tops and jeans.

    Just that i would prefer there was no such restriction on those who want to wear them being permitted to wear them.
    Jaysoose wrote: »
    This is just reverse snobbery in fairness
    So no snobbery. It is the placing of restrictions that is rooted in snobbery.
    Jaysoose wrote: »
    Why anybody would want to play in jean and a football top is beyond me anyway...get a hot day and those jeans would be stuck to after the turn.
    So dont wear them. I dont either (hot in jeans alright, but nothing practical against a football shirt). But dont think I have a right to restrict others from wearing them just because I choose not to myself.


  • #35
    Almaviva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    TheDoc wrote: »
    There is the attire that is deemed as a fitting representation for the sport.

    Deemed by who? You. Yes. And many others also. Which is fine for you, and I have no objection to you wearing that.
    But similarly, there are many others do not agree that there is any such thing as a 'fitting attire' and they should be free to dress as they please. Why does one group feel entitled to impose on others what they 'deem' fitting ? There is no one out their trying to impose jeans and tee shirt wearing as obligatory on the chino/poly shirt brigade.


  • #36
    TheDoc
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    Almaviva wrote: »
    Deemed by who? You. Yes. And many others also. Which is fine for you, and I have no objection to you wearing that.

    Well actually imposed by the officials of a golf course. Not by players. Each club has a very visible description of what is deemed as acceptable as golfing attire while playing the course.

    This point is really not for debate in my view, and I don’t get the point your making. Every sport requires a certain attire for playing, and golf is no different. Its only different in providing so much range and choice.
    But similarly, there are many others do not agree that there is any such thing as a 'fitting attire' and they should be free to dress as they please.
    That’s fine, they can play the public courses that allow any type of clothing during play. But they simply have to adhere to club policy on course attire. Like I said I don’t personally mind, but I can see why its important and should be upheld. I don’t look down on someone that would be playing in jeans and a jersey, but I think its silly since EVERYONE know what golfing attire is. I don’t wear jeans playing football, so why in golf?
    Why does one group feel entitled to impose on others what they 'deem' fitting ? There is no one out their trying to impose jeans and tee shirt wearing as obligatory on the chino/poly shirt brigade.
    I think you need to chill out Ché. Nobody is imposing anything on anyone. If you want to play golf in jeans and a jersey, then there is plenty of public courses, par3’s, pitch n putt and driving ranges. If you want to play in a club that has a certain policy on attire while playing the course, then that is really the end of it.


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  • #37
    Dun laoire
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    Was down playing Wicklow yesterday and saw a fella in jeans and must admit it did bother me a little bit but i'm not sure why? Strange that


  • #38
    Miley Byrne
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    TheDoc wrote: »
    Hurlers arnt allowed wear shin guards.

    Rugby players arnt allowed wear shoulder pads.

    Where did you hear that? I think you'll find you can wear both.


  • #39
    TheDoc
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    denisoc16 wrote: »
    Where did you hear that? I think you'll find you can wear both.

    While not officially a rule, most clubs have an unofficial policy that its not allowed, to "upkeep the image"


  • #40
    Benny Cake
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    TheDoc wrote: »
    While not officially a rule, most clubs have an unofficial policy that its not allowed, to "upkeep the image"

    Rubbish


  • #41
    dak
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    Heres something I found on the net!



    Originally, golf was aimed at socializing, especially among upper class families. Therefore, dress codes were established to appeal to the social elite.



    Back then (and even in many places today), the standard golfing garb for women was a blouse, jacket (soon replaced by a knit cardigan sweater) and a floor length skirt; men were required to wear long pants with a shirt and jacket. Slowly, the outfits evolved a little to be more functional for the game and slightly more fashionable. With more sophisticated fabrics and design, both men and women golfers started to actually look pretty good!


    Even still nowadays, most golf courses require that golfers wear a collared shirt, appropriate shoes, socks and – heaven forbid – no denim jeans.
    But there is a good reason for mandatory golf dress. Running a golf club is a business and in order to set a good impression, both the golf course and members should look good. This will help keep existing clientele and attract new members to their establishment.


    So should we be surprised or disappointed to have a dress code on golf courses? Many sports have dress codes too for a variety of reasons, practical, social, security (soccer:knee length socks, shirt tucked in, cleated shoes…martial arts: with the white gi etc…baseball, football, tennis…)


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  • #42
    Boskowski
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    Common sense should prevail as usual.
    I wouldn't want to go over the top but at the same time I wouldn't want guys with track suit bottoms and hoodies or footie jerseys on the course or in the bar.
    If you can't make a tiny bit of effort play somewhere else please. That also applies to general on and off course attitude.


  • #43
    Daidy2011
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    dak wrote: »
    Played Old Portmarnock years ago on a very hot June day with my Father in Law (RIP) . I was smartly dressed with chinos and a short sleeved shirt but was stopped going into the members bar at lunchtime until the Caddy master found me a tie and blazer to wear ... what a load of poppyc**k . I wasn't impressed especially on such a hot day !


    Same thing happened to me in The Hermitage albeit it was a good number of years ago so they may have changed their policy since.


  • #44
    Anatom
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    TheDoc wrote: »
    Hurlers arnt allowed wear shin guards.

    Rugby players arnt allowed wear shoulder pads.

    This IS true - rugby players are not allowed wear shoulder pads. They can wear shoulder strapping, but not pads. There's no aesthetic reason for this - its purely a safety measure. In a physical game like rugby, anything attached to the body can be ripped off or twisted, possibly causing harm to the player so they don't allow it.

    I'm not sure about the hurling and shin guards thing. I always thought it was just because hurlers who wore them were considered sissies by those who didn't...

    Back to the golf though...
    The reason the knee length socks with shorts rule came in was - as with most rules of etiquette - for solid reasons of practicality. AFAIK, when golf expanded overseas at the end of the 1800s and into the early 1900s, it did so initially to the "colonies" which tended to be a tad hotter than this part of the world. So, when out slicing the gutta percha into, literally, the bush, the last thing you needed was to be scratched and bitten by the little and not-so-little nasties lurking therein. Hence the high socks. It does look a little ridiculous in this day and age, but I played golf in a pair of shorts and short socks last week and my ankles are still swollen from the bites.

    I also tried playing golf (late on a Sunday evening, just a couple of holes on my own sort of thing) in a pair of jeans recently. Basically, I was just too lazy to change into trousers, seeing as I was only going out for about 40 mins or so. Jesus, I don't know how anyone could play comfortably in them...

    Regarding football jerseys - They look daft anywhere except at a football match or when you're watching your favourite team at a game or in the pub. Otherwise, they look awful. (Yes, I do realise how that makes me sound, but I'm of an age now where I just don't care). I do have one, but I use it for gardening or actually playing football.

    Anyway, rules of dress are there, as someone already said, for the good of the whole membership. It does keep standards together - not up or down - and hopefully not for any snobbish reasons. It makes you feel better as a member. Its about respect - for yourself and your fellow members. It makes you appreciate you spending your increasingly hard-earned money on something that you can value. Of course, the blazer and tie in the dining room rubbish is largely gone - and so it should be - but that's not to say that we should be happy to let those standards slip. They're for the good of all the members. If some people don't like it, well they have the opportunity to take their custom elsewhere...


  • #45
    Dtoffee
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    I think its a mute argument as for me its about respect. If I am going to play a club where jacket and tie are required, then I respect their right to make that decision and I duly wear the correct attire.

    I have no problem with respecting the clubs right to make their own rules on dresscode. Why should non members get involved?


  • #46
    Anatom
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    Dtoffee wrote: »
    I think its a mute argument as for me its about respect. If I am going to play a club where jacket and tie are required, then I respect their right to make that decision and I duly wear the correct attire.

    I have no problem with respecting the clubs right to make their own rules on dresscode. Why should non members get involved?


    Exactly!!


  • #47
    leedslunatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭leedslunatic


    ssbob wrote: »
    the majority of the time the guy who doesn't take care when dressing is not going to repair divots and not going to repair pitch marks

    Utter rubbish.

    One of the clubs I happen to be a member of has a fairly relaxed dress code. I often play wearing a soccer jersey, and find myself raking the bunkers and repairing the divots/pitch marks left by earlier groups, quite regularly as well as all of my own.

    If the club had a problem with soccer jerseys, I wouldn't wear one. But the notion that the clothes you wear determine your behaviour, is absolutely ridiculous.


  • #48
    MP62
    Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭MP62


    leedslunatic wrote: »
    Utter rubbish.

    One of the clubs I happen to be a member of has a fairly relaxed dress code. I often play wearing a soccer jersey, and find myself raking the bunkers and repairing the divots/pitch marks left by earlier groups, quite regularly as well as all of my own.

    If the club had a problem with soccer jerseys, I wouldn't wear one. But the notion that the clothes you wear determine your behaviour, is absolutely ridiculous.
    Weirdo, why do you wear a soccer jersey playing golf?, next you'll tell us you wear golf shoes playing soccer!.


  • #49
    leedslunatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭leedslunatic


    MP62 wrote: »
    Weirdo, why do you wear a soccer jersey playing golf?, next you'll tell us you wear golf shoes playing soccer!.

    If you spotted someone on a golf course wearing a soccer jersey would you approach them and call them a weirdo? Or is that kind of bravery just something you just reserve for internet forums?

    If you took the bother to read my post, that particular club employs a relaxed dress code... So I have the freedom to chose to wear whatever I please.

    The ignorance of your post is kinda funny actually :rolleyes:.


  • #50
    MP62
    Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭MP62


    leedslunatic wrote: »
    MP62 wrote: »
    Weirdo, why do you wear a soccer jersey playing golf?, next you'll tell us you wear golf shoes playing soccer!.

    If you spotted someone on a golf course wearing a soccer jersey would you approach them and call them a weirdo? Or is that kind of bravery just something you just reserve for internet forums?

    If you took the bother to read my post, that particular club employs a relaxed dress code... So I have the freedom to chose to wear whatever I please.

    The ignorance of your post is kinda funny actually :rolleyes:.
    Do you wear tracky bottoms too?.


  • #51
    leedslunatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭leedslunatic


    MP62 wrote: »
    Do you wear tracky bottoms too?.

    Go on... I'l bite...
    Why are you so interested in what I wear?? :eek:


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  • #52
    ForeRight
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    leedslunatic wrote: »
    MP62 wrote: »
    Do you wear tracky bottoms too?.

    Go on... I'l bite...
    Why are you so interested in what I wear?? :eek:



    What are you wearing now???


  • #53
    MP62
    Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭MP62


    leedslunatic wrote: »
    MP62 wrote: »
    Do you wear tracky bottoms too?.

    Go on... I'l bite...
    Why are you so interested in what I wear?? :eek:
    That's a yes then I take it.


  • #54
    leedslunatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭leedslunatic


    ForeRight wrote: »
    What are you wearing now???

    :D


  • #55
    ForeRight
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    leedslunatic wrote: »
    ForeRight wrote: »
    What are you wearing now???

    :D


    Don't start playing hard to get now ;)


  • #56
    leedslunatic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭leedslunatic


    MP62 wrote: »
    That's a yes then I take it.

    And if I do?? C'mon now... Let's hear your opinion of track pants on a golf course... C'mon... give me a lecture....

    Let's hear your ignorance.... :D


  • #57
    MP62
    Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭MP62


    leedslunatic wrote: »
    And if I do?? C'mon now... Let's hear your opinion of track pants on a golf course... C'mon... give me a lecture....

    Let's hear your ignorance.... :D
    Au contraire my friend you're the ignorant one.
    If you need someone to explain what a dress code is and why it's there then I'm afraid there really is no point.


  • #58
    link_2007
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    MP62 wrote: »
    Au contraire my friend you're that ignorant one.
    If you need someone to explain what a dress code is and why it's there then I'm afraid there really is no point.

    There is a dress code there but he's stated a few times it's very relaxed which probably means tracksuit bottoms are allowed.


  • #59
    ssbob
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    leedslunatic wrote: »
    Utter rubbish.

    One of the clubs I happen to be a member of has a fairly relaxed dress code. I often play wearing a soccer jersey, and find myself raking the bunkers and repairing the divots/pitch marks left by earlier groups, quite regularly as well as all of my own.

    If the club had a problem with soccer jerseys, I wouldn't wear one. But the notion that the clothes you wear determine your behaviour, is absolutely ridiculous.

    Has not been my experience, the etiquette of golf includes the dress code and it has happened all but too often when playing that the guy with a soccer jersey is speaking and laughing walking past when I am taking my tee shot...........................

    For me I wear my soccer jerseys playing soccer, rugby jerseys playing rugby, work clothes doing work and golf clothes on the golf course!


  • #60
    MP62
    Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭MP62


    link_2007 wrote: »
    MP62 wrote: »
    Au contraire my friend you're that ignorant one.
    If you need someone to explain what a dress code is and why it's there then I'm afraid there really is no point.

    There is a dress code there but he's stated a few times it's very relaxed which probably means tracksuit bottoms are allowed.
    Ah cmon that's not a dress code, that's anything goes.
    Also I'd love to know where this course is so I can avoid it like the plague.


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  • #61
    Surfing_Xboxer
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    I think a dress code is one of the things that golf is built around .... it promotes etiquette in my opinion - no offence to anyone intended - but wearing a soccer jersey playing golf is absurd ( unless you are on a driving range or a pitch n putt )


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