Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 08:36PM

Seanchai wrote: »

No, it's not. Duh. Keep trying. :rolleyes:

Seán O'Doherty of Pettigo, Co. Fermanagh is just as Irish by birth as Seán O'Doherty 100 metres down the hill in Pettigo, Co. Donegal. And regardless of your prejudices and bitterness about this fact, international law is on his side since at least the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, a status which was reinforced in the GFA of 1998.

In other words, the British state which you think you're defending here has conceded unequivocally that because of his birth in the part of Ireland currently known as "Northern Ireland" he has a right to be a citizen of the sovereign state known as Ireland. This internationally-enshrined birthright to Irishness does not exist by virtue of somebody being born in a foreign country like, for instance, Britain. How does that fit into your "Northern Ireland is as British as Finchley" delusions?

According to border rat the Irish people gave Sean that right as a concession in a "peace by any means" agreement. Or does that only apply to the bits that suit?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-08-2012 08:36PM

Why doesn't that terrorist fella with the beard go back to his own country and leave us all alone. :pac:

Sound of Silence · 07-08-2012 08:36PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Why not? That was the address of the hotel and thats what ALL the roadsigns called it once I entered the UK at Aughnacloy.

Ask the locals if they call it Londonderry.

It's funny how this drifts so close to the topic of the thread! Ya know, the issue that arises when a local population don't agree with the signs that supposedly represent them.

SocSocPol · 07-08-2012 08:36PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

The Everglades is in a Nationalist area. In fact, its quite close to a staunchly Republican area. The employee's, in all probability, don't share you're Unionist outlook.

Yea Prehen is so CIRA

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 08:37PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Are you saying their employee's on minimum wage are millionaires.?

Would they be closer to being millionaires if they were n the dole?

Border-Rat · 07-08-2012 08:40PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So now your debating the economics

The discussion never changed from economics. The fantasy here is that people in the 06 Counties will never decide to leave it, due to economic bliss. I have just pointed out that 4 out of those 6 are quite the opposite.

and benefits of large multiples. People shopping in a country, regardless of where they shop is a gain for the economy.

It might be a gain for the UK, but its not a gain for the local economy. Where do the millions lifted monthly go? Not to Newry or Strabane, whose economic conditions are worsened because of it. Local employment of one shop is not comparable to the destruction of local business.

Are you really sayign theres no economc gain to NI from all the shoppers from the south?

It does more damage than good.

It's good that you've surveyed everyone headign up to make sure they are headign in to asda and going by all the other shops.

Where I live, you can tell where these people move by the license plates in their cars. They go nowhere near the town-centre or local economy.

geneyuss · 07-08-2012 08:40PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why doesn't that terrorist fella with the beard go back to his own country and leave us all alone. :pac:

who Michael Stone ? yeah, he really should go back to Englandstan as he is so "loyal" to it

Seanchai · 07-08-2012 08:40PM

average_runner wrote: »

Its still not a part of the republic. They dont pay taxes to kenny. They pay taxes ti cameron if they work in the nirth. FACT

What political jurisdiction it is currently part of is not being disputed. There are clearly two distinct jurisdictions in the country at the moment. A mere jurisdiction does not a country make.

Ghandee · 07-08-2012 08:41PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Why not? That was the address of the hotel and thats what ALL the roadsigns called it once I entered the UK at Aughnacloy.

So what happens in the north, didnt happen in Ireland/isnt happening in Ireland, it happened in the 'UK' have I got that right?

SocSocPol · 07-08-2012 08:42PM

Sound of Silence wrote: »

Ask the locals if they call it Londonderry.

It's funny how this drifts so close to the topic of the thread! Ya know, the issue that arises when a local population don't agree with the signs that supposedly represent them.

The locals, on the waterside certainly would agree, as would those in the Fountain. but of course they are not entitled to an opinion in your view.

Border-Rat · 07-08-2012 08:42PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would they be closer to being millionaires if they were n the dole?

You don't get it, do you? When someone is employed, they spend their money. These people spend their wages in the place they work in. The money does not circulate outside the store.

Yamanoto · 07-08-2012 08:42PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

What's important is that you get to remain above it all, make gross generalisations and fail miserably at trying to appear as a self-appointed all-knowing commentator who in reality hasn't a ****ing clue what he's talking about.

Calm down dear.

You're clearly different, you've gone rogue.

Not for you the prevailing trends which serve only to replace internecine violence and hostility with a devotion to some jumble of wishy-washy agreements.

Shalom.

Sound of Silence · 07-08-2012 08:44PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would they be closer to being millionaires if they were n the dole?

Being in Part-time employment, I imagine that a significant number of them are supplementing their wages with Dole money.

Then again, most of their employees are pubescent Teenagers. Hardly what you would consider keystones of the local Economy.

As Border-Rat noted, Sainsbury's and ASDA suck the life out of local business.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 08:45PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

The discussion never changed from economics. The fantasy here is that people in the 06 Counties will never decide to leave it, due to economic bliss. I have just pointed out that 4 out of those 6 are quite the opposite.

It might be a gain for the UK, but its not a gain for the local economy. Where do the millions lifted monthly go? Not to Newry or Strabane, whose economic conditions are worsened because of it. Local employment of one shop is not comparable to the destruction of local business.

It does more damage than good.

Where I live, you can tell where these people move by the license plates in their cars. They go nowhere near the town-centre or local economy.

Theres no shortage of southern cars in Newry.

Anyway, what your talking about is modern retail. nothing special about Northern Ireland. Its the same everywhere. Large multiples are there and peopel flock to them.

Do you think you'd be better off (as a country or an individual) being part of Ireland rather than the UK?

geneyuss · 07-08-2012 08:45PM

average_runner wrote: »

Its still not a part of the republic. They dont pay taxes to kenny. They pay taxes ti cameron if they work in the nirth. FACT

Don't the pay taxes to their own assembly, which is ran buy both communities ?

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 08:46PM

Seanchai wrote: »

What political jurisdiction it is currently part of is not being disputed..

Being disputed by who? Ireland says its part of the UK and so does the UK.

fasttalkerchat · 07-08-2012 08:47PM

About the signs: one has already been taken down. At this rate the problem will be over within a week. It was a childish move to put them up in the first place, maybe loyalist and British flags didn't do enough to mark their territories. Unionists really are like dogs pissing on lampposts.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 08:49PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

About the signs: one has already been taken down. At this rate the problem will be over within a week. It was a childish move to put them up in the first place, maybe loyalist and British flags didn't do enough to mark their territories. Unionists really are like dogs pissing on lampposts.

Just as well the Republicans stay above all that then isnt it?

fasttalkerchat · 07-08-2012 08:50PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Being disputed by who? Ireland says its part of the UK and so does the UK.

Just because their is no formidable armed campaign doesn't mean that a large part of the population north of the border don't recognise it as a state.

Border-Rat · 07-08-2012 08:50PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres no shortage of southern cars in Newry.

Headed to the ASDA outpost with no intentions of going near local businesses.

Anyway, what your talking about is modern retail. nothing special about Northern Ireland. Its the same everywhere. Large multiples are there and peopel flock to them.

I'm responding to rebuttal that the border Counties do not suffer because Southerners shop there. Which in fact hurts those areas further still, ASDA in Strabane is not placed next to a former border checkpoint for no reason. Its there to exploit the difference in currency - to the demise further of the local economy.

Do you think you'd be better off (as a country or an individual) being part of Ireland rather than the UK?

No Country prospers while partitioned. Ireland will never hit 5th gear seperated. As for myself, I'm a Nationalist. Economically and ideologically.

fasttalkerchat · 07-08-2012 08:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just as well the Republicans stay above all that then isnt it?

I didn't say that it doesn't happen in republican areas in fact Free Derry corner is something similar to these signs. They certainly don't mark out territory wherever they settle though!

Seanchai · 07-08-2012 08:52PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

the Irish people gave Sean that right as a concession in a "peace by any means" agreement. Or does that only apply to the bits that suit?

Christ almighty. You have to be trolling because nobody could be this ignorant, and cowardly to ascribe their idiocy to another poster.

People born in the part of Ireland currently known as "Northern Ireland" have a birthright under Irish law to Irish citizenship since the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 1956. 1956. Check it out.

Now, please spare us your abject ignorance on this topic.

I note also you have wilfully failed to answer any of the substantive points put to you by other posters as well. A sure sign of a troll.

Ghandee · 07-08-2012 08:53PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just as well the Republicans stay above all that then isnt it?

My God.

Take a trip up Harryville in Ballymena,(or any other 'staunchly unionist' area, any time from say.... June until August. (all in honour of one single day in July btw)

Its like they need to convince themselves what country they're in.

The same degree of flags and emblems are not on display in Republican areas.

Something odd about that, its like members of the nationalist community dont need to constantly remoind themselves where it is they live, or which country they belong to.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 08:53PM

Seanchai wrote: »

I note also you have wilfully failed to answer any of the substantive points put to you by other posters as well. A sure sign of a troll.

What ones? I've answered anythign put to me from what I can see.

Theres plenty of posts quoting me that are edited though.

fasttalkerchat · 07-08-2012 08:57PM

Ghandee wrote: »

My God.

Take a trip up Harryville in Ballymena, any time from say.... June until August. (all in honour of one single day in July btw)

I wouldn't recommend he do that. I would hate for any harm to come to the poster regardless of our difference of opinion. And the same goes for and southern unionists here, the people you align yourselves with would kick you to death just for your accent.

fasttalkerchat · 07-08-2012 08:57PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres plenty of posts quoting me that are edited though.
Last edited by Guy:Incognito; Today at 21:55.

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Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 09:01PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

Headed to the ASDA outpost with no intentions of going near local businesses..

Bull. A large proportion of the cars going to Newry go to one of the 2 shopping centres. So unless your following all the people to make sure they are only going to one shop, your embellishing.

Sound of Silence blames Sainsburys btw.

Border-Rat wrote: »

I'm responding to rebuttal that the border Counties do not suffer because Southerners shop there. Which in fact hurts those areas further still, ASDA in Strabane is not placed next to a former border checkpoint for no reason. Its there to exploit the difference in currency - to the demise further of the local economy.
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Your responding like that because it suites you. It doesnt matter whether the north is part of the UK, Ireland or out on its own, large multiples will be there and thats where people will shop until such times as they decide to shop local. You cant just decide its a problem in the North becaus eits part of the UK and all would be rosy if it was suddenly a 32 county Ireland.

Border-Rat wrote: »

No Country prospers while partitioned. Ireland will never hit 5th gear seperated. As for myself, I'm a Nationalist. Economically and ideologically.

What would be different were Ireland suddenly to have 6 more counties and 1.8 m more people that would turn around the economy?

Real answers, not bluster like above.

Northern Monkey · 07-08-2012 09:01PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Why not? That was the address of the hotel and thats what ALL the roadsigns called it once I entered the UK at Aughnacloy.

This hotel?
http://www.hastingshotels.com/everglades-hotel/index.html

With the following address?

Everglades Hotel,
Prehen Road,
Derry, BT47 2NH,
Telephone: +44 (0) 28 7132 1066,
Fax: +44 (0) 28 7134 9200

Their website must have been hacked by them IRA shinners or something:rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 09:05PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

:eek::p:p:p:p

Well that reasoned debate puts that to bed anyway.:rolleyes:

Just as well the debate wasnt about failing to answer posts properly.......

SocSocPol · 07-08-2012 09:06PM

Ghandee wrote: »

My God.

Take a trip up Harryville in Ballymena,(or any other 'staunchly unionist' area, any time from say.... June until August. (all in honour of one single day in July btw)

Its like they need to convince themselves what country they're in.

The same degree of flags and emblems are not on display in Republican areas.

Something odd about that, its like members of the nationalist community dont need to constantly remoind themselves where it is they live, or which country they belong to.

That I will agree with, the amount of flags, bunting, painted footpaths is an eyesore and a deterrant to tourism.
In plain fact it is ugly.
When someone makes a valid point you have to agree.

Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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