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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #122
    cometogether
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    Why not just say 'Ulster'?


  • #123
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Seanchai wrote: »
    There's only one Ireland, .

    Your right. And theres one Northern Ireland, which is in the UK. You cant tell which is which by the laws and the currency etc.


  • #124
    DB10
    Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    I would ignore Mr Incognitos attempts at stirring the pot. After his verbal diarrohea towards Katie Taylors appearance yesterday, hes another to chalk off.

    Perhaps if he had less posts, he would have been dealt with.


  • #125
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Because its not the same as moving between Dublin and Kildare, whether you like it or not you are moving between Ireland and the UK.

    So, our last president wasn't even from Ireland? (she was from the UK?)

    Seamus Heaney? (the great Irish poet and writer) He's from the UK is he?


    Anyways, don't know why I've resorted to arguing on the net with some guy incognito, to tell me what country I'm from, i was given that right at birth.


  • #126
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    DB10 wrote: »
    . They accept euro and sterling in most places near the border.
    .

    They accept the euro because they want us to spend our money there, dont be under any illusions of anything different. If it wasnt making them money it wouldnt be happening. Iv'e worked in shops in Dublin that accept Dollars and Sterling. It wasnt for any grand political idealism.


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  • #127
    Victor
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    Where To wrote: »
    You've obviously never been to Donegal or Derry so.:pac:
    Even if you went so far as to check the reg of cars in driveways you still wouldn't know which side of the border you are on.
    Yellow ones in Donegal, yeah? ;)
    cometogether wrote: »
    Why not just say 'Ulster'?
    These could only really be erected on the Leitrim-Fermanagh (about 4 roads) and Louth-Down (1 road proposed)/Armagh (a bout 27 roads) borders.


  • #128
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Ghandee wrote: »
    So, our last president wasn't even from Ireland? (she was from the UK?)

    Seamus Heaney? (the great Irish poet and writer) He's from the UK is he?


    Anyways, don't know why I've resorted to arguing on the net with some guy incognito, to tell me what country I'm from, i was given that right at birth.
    They were given the choice by politcal decsions.

    Seamus Heaney obviously agreed with my point when he moved here to be Irish and not live in th eUnited Kingdom anymore. :-)


  • #129
    DB10
    Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    I doubt too many people would walk around Dublin attempting to buy items with dollars.

    Its not really the same, but c'est le vie.


  • #130
    Sunnyisland
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    come together wrote: »
    Why not just say 'Ulster'?


    Yep welcome to the province of Ulster, One of four to be found on the Island of Ireland :)


  • #131
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    They were given the choice by politcal decsions.



    i heard it all know :rolleyes:


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  • #132
    Ghandee
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    They were given the choice by politcal decsions.

    Doesn't answer the Queston.

    Step up to the plate sir.

    Are president McAleese, and Seamus Heaney from the united kingdom?

    A simple yes or no will do.

    Man up please.


  • #133
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    DB10 wrote: »
    I would ignore Mr Incognitos attempts at stirring the pot. After his verbal diarrohea towards Katie Taylors appearance yesterday, hes another to chalk off.

    Perhaps if he had less posts, he would have been dealt with.

    The opinion I got infracted for you mean? If she wasnt Irish there wouldnt have been an eyelid batted. More misplaced nationalism.Slag the ugly foreigners all you like but dont dare question anythign about one of our own.


  • #134
    Where To
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    Victor wrote: »
    Yellow ones in Donegal, yeah? ;)
    Only visiting, of course.;)


  • #135
    cometogether
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Doesn't answer the Queston.

    Step up to the plate sir.

    Are president McAleese, and Seamus Heaney from the united kingdom?

    A simple yes or no will do.

    Man up please.

    They're from Northern Ireland. Under the GFA they can decide to be British or Irish, or both. Their choice.


  • #136
    Sound of Silence
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    I don't think I'll ever be able to understand how posters all the way down in Dublin consider themselves qualified to assess whether or not such signs would be offensive to the people actually living near them.

    When I drive to work each morning, I certainly don't feel like I'm travelling abroad. Unionist Politicians, however, seem to be pretty insistent that I should feel that way!

    This is what could be described as "Ulsterisation" - a process of making the divide between North and South more glaringly apparent. Now ask yourself, when has widening the divide between North and South ever been a positive move.


  • #137
    SocSocPol
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    Ghandee wrote: »
    Doesn't answer the Queston.

    Step up to the plate sir.

    Are president McAleese, and Seamus Heaney from the united kingdom?

    A simple yes or no will do.

    Man up please.
    YES


  • #138
    John Doe1
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    cometogether wrote: »
    Why not just say 'Ulster'?[/QUOTE

    I dunno why wouldnt you put up a sign in say the tyrone-donegal border saying welcome to ulster:rolleyes:


  • #139
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Doesn't answer the Queston.

    Step up to the plate sir.

    Are president McAleese, and Seamus Heaney from the united kingdom?

    A simple yes or no will do.

    Man up please.

    What are you on about man up? It's not black and white because they were given a choice about whether they wanted to be Irish. They were born in the United Kingdom, yes. Heres some reading explaining it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom


  • #140
    geneyuss
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    cometogether wrote: »
    Why not just say 'Ulster'?

    would be confusing for the paisley supporters ,, who seem to ignore Ulster has nine counties, Ulster says no, never, whatever?
    whats Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan saying no too???


  • #141
    MagicSean
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Nationalists/Catholics/Republicans, on the whole, rarely refer to the six counties as Northern Ireland (see :pac:)

    I guess to use the 'Northern Ireland' name, in a way, causes a psychological border between them and their southern fellow Irish that they do not accept.

    /pop psych

    Plenty of them say Northern Ireland.
    Ghandee wrote: »
    I'll try again so, with the whole quote this time.


    Their are 32 counties on the island of Ireland.

    North or south, whichever 1 of the 32 me, you, or big Ian paisley happens to be standing in, we're still standing on the island of Ireland.

    I'm not trying to rub you up the wrong way, but you can either give me a yes or a no answer.

    Is someone, currently standing in a field in Fermanagh in one of the 32 counties on the island of Ireland?

    Yes or no?

    There's a difference between physical and political geography. This distinction is thought in first year geography.
    Whistwillya wrote: »
    Everyone knows that nationalists call the 6 counties the North of Ireland and loyalists call it Northern Ireland, it's like Londonderry and Derry, so of course signs saying "welcome to Northern Ireland" are going to cause some annoyance.

    Anyone on here saying they don't know how this can cause offence to anyone is just being ignorant. And you can say they're part of the UK if you want but just remember that the next time you're cheering on the Irish rugby team, or the next time Tyrone, Down or Derry are playing in an All Ireland final. People down south are great at this- choosing when they want the 6 counties to be part of Ireland and when they don't. When Rory McIllroy wins a golf tournament he's a great "Irish" sportsman but when there's any political issue the North of Ireland is separate.

    Why can't the signs just welcome people into each county and if there is really such an issue with tourists not knowing where they are then they can say "Welcome to Armagh, one of the occupied 6 counties"....but no wait, this would cause offence to the loyalists

    Because you are not just entering a new county, you are entering a different jurisdiction. Different laws, different currency, different rules. It's not about wether you are Irish or not, it's about what country you live on.
    Seanchai wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Dream on. If the British partitioned this country into ten states rather than two states in December 1920 it wouldn't mean there were ten countries here. There's only one Ireland, no matter what British jingoists and their fellow travellers on Boards.ie would like to contend.

    My family in Armagh is just as Irish as my family in Louth. No British laws can change that. Not now. Not in 1972. Not in 1920. Not in 1720. Not in 1620.

    /end of.

    I think you'll find it's you that is dreaming if you think there are no differences between living in the North and living in the Republic.
    cometogether wrote: »
    Why not just say 'Ulster'?

    Ulster has 9 counties. Northern Ireland has 6.


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  • #142
    Where To
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    DB10 wrote: »
    I doubt too many people would walk around Dublin attempting to buy items with dollars.

    Its not really the same, but c'est le vie.
    You'd be surprised. I've done a few fares for dollars myself, lot of places here in the backarse of nowhere accept them.

    Money's money at the end of the day. I'd even take roubles or rupees if I got them(probably), and like most people up here I'd bite your hand off for the queen's head.:pac:


  • #143
    Guy:Incognito
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    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    I don't think I'll ever be able to understand how posters all the way down in Dublin consider themselves qualified to assess whether or not such signs would be offensive to the people actually living near them. .

    How far from the border does an opinion become invalid? Sure what happens if the Queen gives back the north? There'll be people way down in Dublin deciding all sorts about how people in the North live their lives.


  • #144
    Sergeant
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    Abandon hope all ye who enter here.


  • #145
    Sound of Silence
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    Plenty of them say Northern Ireland.

    Plenty is pretty subjective.

    All I ever here is "up North" or "the North".


  • #146
    Sound of Silence
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    How far from the border does an opinion become invalid? Sure what happens if the Queen gives back the north? There'll be people way down in Dublin deciding all sorts about how people in the North live their lives.

    Close enough to actually understand the local issues.

    I wouldn't expect Enda to know why Joe Bloggs is banned from his local up in Dundalk, but I'm sure the locals do.

    But if we were to apply your logic in it's entirety, then I guess we can pretty much abolish Local Government.


  • #147
    John Doe1
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    I live 5 miles from the border, this really is a non-issue. Sinn fein always need something to rally against


  • #148
    geneyuss
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    How far from the border does an opinion become invalid? Sure what happens if the Queen gives back the north? There'll be people way down in Dublin deciding all sorts about how people in the North live their lives.

    Dublin already has a say in the affairs of N,Ireland i.e cross border bodies etc, have you read the good friday agreement or are you just in continuios denial that times are changing


  • #149
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    geneyuss wrote: »
    Dublin already has a say in the affairs of N,Ireland i.e cross border bodies etc, have you read the good friday agreement or are you just in continuios denial that times are changing

    Is there any point in you quoting me if your just goign to twist it? I said they'll be deciding all sorts about how people live. Thats it. Which is true. Theres plenty of decisions made that affect people in the north now, but thats not what I was saying.


  • #150
    Pure_Cork
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Because its not the same as moving between Dublin and Kildare, whether you like it or not you are moving between Ireland and the UK.



    and in football theres 2 different associations, 2 different leagues and 2 different national teams (one of which , funnily enough, is "northern Ireland"). Whats your point?
    And yet there's teams from one association's jurisdiction competing in the league of the other, and players from that association's jurisdiction playing for the national team of the other.


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  • #151
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Is there any point in you quoting me if your just goign to twist it? I said they'll be deciding all sorts about how people live. Thats it. Which is true. Theres plenty of decisions made that affect people in the north now, but thats not what I was saying.

    you said if the Queen gave back the north (not that its her decision) that there'll be people WAY down in Dublin deciding how people in the north live, i was just pointing out that Dublin already decides, as do them folk way over there in London


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