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Galway: household charge non-payment lead to reduction in services

  • 02-08-2012 05:08PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭


    From Galway CoCo:
    Galway County Council has identified a substantial number of programmes which must now be withheld in order to allow the Council achieve a balanced budget for 2012 following the recent notification of a reduction of €3.1 million in the Council’s Local Government Grant for the current year.

    The reduction in funding to the Council reflects the level of compliance achived to date in relation to payment of the Household Charge and in particular the fact that approximately 44% of the Householders in the County of Galway have yet to pay their Household Charge.

    ‘The proposed reduction in allocation will result in unpalatable cut to Local Services and communities.’ says Ger Mullarkey, the Council’s Head of Finance. The programmes identified to date as having to be withheld include:

    Suspension of housing grants to older people and people with disabilities
    Withholding grants for various community initiatives including, burial ground maintenance, amenity grants, community and enterprise grants
    Suspension of expenditure on library books
    Reduction in resources across a broad range of front-line service areas including:
    Litter control
    Housing Maintenance
    Road maintenance including pothole repairs and verge trimming
    Bridge maintenance
    Maintenance of public conveniences
    Suspension of land drainage works
    Funding for tourism projects
    Funding to community projects (RAPID) in Tuam and Ballinasloe
    Potential delay in recently announced Major Capital Water Services projects.
    Fire Service

    The council regrets the need to introduce these cuts and in particular the impact such cuts will have on the 56% of households who have paid their Household Charge. However, in the absence of compliance by some householders with the legal requirement to pay the Household Charge, there is no alternative.

    The letter received from the Department of Environment, Community & Local Government does however suggest that local authorities may progressively regain their original level of funding if those households who have not yet paid their Household Charge do so.

    At a recent meeting of Galway County Council, the Councillors passed a motion requesting those people who have not yet paid the Household Charge to do so now.

    The Council acknowledges that more than 56% of the Householders in Galway have paid the charge, which is much appreciated and urges those householders who have not yet paid, to do so immediately, in order that the impact of the cuts on local services and communities can be minimised.

    I'm sure there's a thread on this in the Region forum, but it's also a harbinger for other regions. And Galway City would probably have a positive balance to contribute to the pot, so the effect is likely to be worse in other counties:

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    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Don't register, don't pay!

    Well done Galway, don't let the bastards get you down!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    I'm sure those who havent paid the household charge will be furious they wont be recieving "Housing Maintenance" from the local authority this year or next :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,549 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I think our crowd in Louth are way ahead of Galway. They haven't been providing many of those services for years, even before the HHC. Forward planning ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 buckleppin


    This strikes me as cutting off your nose to spite your face. I fail to see how removing any of these, but especially
    Litter control
    Road maintenance including pothole repairs and verge trimming
    Funding for tourism projects
    Funding to community projects (RAPID) in Tuam and Ballinasloe

    will do anything other than increase costs in the long-term. Playing chicken with these crucial services is infuriatingly short-sighted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    buckleppin wrote: »
    This strikes me as cutting off your nose to spite your face. I fail to see how removing any of these will do anything other than increase costs in the long-term. Playing chicken with these crucial services is infuriatingly short-sighted.

    You are absolutely correct.
    However the Councils are funded through a number of sources and approx 25% will come from the Local Government Fund.
    Each Council has now been told by the Govt(and ultimately the IMF) to bring back balanced budgets year on year.
    The collection of Household charge has only recently been feisted on the Local Authorities but the fallout of people not paying is now expected to be carried by them.
    In addition,most Councils will have spent a lot of their money at this time of the year so their wriggle room for reduction of budgets is seriously compromised.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,351 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    If you live in the coutryside or like me in a small village we see no services anyway.
    We pay a private company to take away our rubbish, we are on a private water scheme which we fund ourselves and during the big freeze in 2010 the roads were never gritted around here.
    Maybe for the citydwellers there will be a reduction in services but paying it would make no difference to us around here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Vizzy wrote: »
    You are absolutely correct.
    However the Councils are funded through a number of sources and approx 25% will come from the Local Government Fund.
    Each Council has now been told by the Govt(and ultimately the IMF) to bring back balanced budgets year on year.
    The collection of Household charge has only recently been feisted on the Local Authorities but the fallout of people not paying is now expected to be carried by them.
    In addition,most Councils will have spent a lot of their money at this time of the year so their wriggle room for reduction of budgets is seriously compromised.

    Actually, the figure is more like 50%+ than 25% - the 25% is the amount from the DoE "general purpose grant", but another 28% is made up of other central grants.

    (http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Ireland_-_Towards_an_Integrated_Public_Service.pdf)

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The cutbacks are in Galway COUNTY not in Galway CITY. The Council did their very best to share the pain right across the county but they made the mistake of not explaining the quid quo quos for payment, eg the first €100k to litter and the second €100k to old peoples day centres with the last €100k on public toilets... etc.

    Consequently they seem to have no marginal leverage with which to improve collection stats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Actually, the figure is more like 50%+ than 25% - the 25% is the amount from the DoE "general purpose grant", but another 28% is made up of other central grants.

    (http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Ireland_-_Towards_an_Integrated_Public_Service.pdf)

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Sorry,you are of course correct.
    I didn't mean to mislead but the "portion" of the grant that the Household charge is supposed to replace acccounts for about 25%.

    Spongebob is also correct i.e. the headline is for Galway county and not the city and never the twain shall meet(well not until they are merged anyway)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    Fire services? Do people in Galway not receive an invoice from the Fire Service for call out charges as is procedure in other counties?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    No cutbacks in staffing or pay of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    lol, blackmail at its finest.

    i dont see it on the list, but if they are reducing services i presume they will be reducing staff numbers as they are no longer required to provide those services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,519 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I got no letter yet to pay up ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    If you live in the coutryside or like me in a small village we see no services anyway.
    We pay a private company to take away our rubbish, we are on a private water scheme which we fund ourselves and during the big freeze in 2010 the roads were never gritted around here.
    Maybe for the citydwellers there will be a reduction in services but paying it would make no difference to us around here.

    Fire services.
    Litter
    Library.
    Road and verge maintenance.

    I live in the country and would not like to see these services cut.
    Not paying for services and then expecting someone to come out and rescue your family in the event of a fire is just hypocritical nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    lol, blackmail at its finest.

    i dont see it on the list, but if they are reducing services i presume they will be reducing staff numbers as they are no longer required to provide those services.
    Blackmail?
    It was inevitable that non compliance would lead to further budget cuts; spending cuts is exactly what many of the anti HHC people have been calling for, so they should be happy with this outcome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    km79 wrote: »
    I got no letter yet to pay up ;)

    No letters were sent out to tell you to pay - there were notices in the papers and plenty of media coverage.

    See here www.householdcharge.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Geuze wrote: »
    No letters were sent out to tell you to pay - there were notices in the papers and plenty of media coverage.

    See here www.householdcharge.ie
    The local authorities did send out letters over the last few weeks, but only to a small number of people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Ah, yes, you are referring to the first of three waves of reminder letters.

    Yes, the first wave went to those already registered for the NPPR.

    What I meant was that no letter was sent initially to ask you to pay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    Blackmail?
    It was inevitable that non compliance would lead to further budget cuts; spending cuts is exactly what many of the anti HHC people have been calling for, so they should be happy with this outcome.

    I for one am happy.
    The govt are doing themselves no favours with this move.

    Its blackmail at its best example.


    Wonder did fidelmas .non payment of motor Tax add fuel to the fire in the Galway region?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    dvpower wrote: »
    Blackmail?
    It was inevitable that non compliance would lead to further budget cuts; spending cuts is exactly what many of the anti HHC people have been calling for, so they should be happy with this outcome.


    i am happy. The people who paid can now see exactly the thanks they get for doing so.

    what about my second point? should they cut staff numbers because they wont be providing the services?
    that would save a nice few squids.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    i am happy. The people who paid can now see exactly the thanks they get for doing so.

    what about my second point? should they cut staff numbers because they wont be providing the services?
    that would save a nice few squids.

    Satff numbers have been cut in my Council before this charge. Cutting staff numbers would be a natural progression of funding cuts, the first area to be cut regardless of the charge.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    what about my second point? should they cut staff numbers because they wont be providing the services?
    that would save a nice few squids.
    If it was a permanent cut to funding then I'd expect to see staff cuts, but since cutting permanent staff is expensive and slow (and I think they're protected by the CPA), I'd say any staff cuts will tend to be of contract staff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Wonder did fidelmas .non payment of motor Tax add fuel to the fire in the Galway region?
    It takes a special kind of logic to tie the failure of a senator from Galway to pay her Motor Tax with a decision of a Local Authority to cut services.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭robp


    If you live in the coutryside or like me in a small village we see no services anyway.
    We pay a private company to take away our rubbish, we are on a private water scheme which we fund ourselves and during the big freeze in 2010 the roads were never gritted around here.

    I live in a city about the size of Belfast in Germany with far colder and longer winters. Despite its size only the major roads are salted yet the taxes are higher. No room for a sense of entitlement at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    It takes a special kind of logic to tie the failure of a senator from Galway to pay her Motor Tax with a decision of a Local Authority to cut services.

    Eh, my logic being....

    The council blaming cuts that needed to be made due to a lack of funding available, they put it down due to a lack of people paying their taxes in the form of the HHC.

    Then, in Galway.....

    A GOVERNMENT senator gets a car taken of her for non payment of her car Tax.
    Subsequently gets in a spot of bother for not having a valid ticket to ride the train she has been forced to use due too her car being confiscated. (I presume she hasn't been claiming her travel expenses so?)

    Then we had the earlier cash in hand fiasco....


    Tax evasion comes inn many forms DV, but when your salary comes straight from the Tax payer, its a little bit more than 'wrong'.

    She should be turfed out of the fg party now, and her feet shouldn't touch the ground.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Ghandee wrote: »

    Tax evasion comes inn many forms DV, but when your salary comes straight from the Tax payer, its a little bit more than 'wrong'.

    She should be turfed out of the fg party now, and her feet shouldn't touch the ground.
    You've been posting on various threads here over the last year or so encouraging people to evade the HHC / Property Tax and now here you are calling for FHE to be sacked from FG for evading another tax.

    Unbelivable, but just a little amusing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    She is an awful fool though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    You've been posting on various threads here over the last year or so encouraging people to evade the HHC / Property Tax and now here you are calling for FHE to be sacked from FG for evading another tax.

    Unbelivable, but just a little amusing.

    No, what's amusing is the government (which I'm not a member of) begging us to pay the hhc and the upcoming property Tax, whilst their one of their own, evades a few taxes herself.

    You have also been on various threads urging people 'not to be Tax evaders' defending all things FG, but when we see a clear cut case of Fg hypocrisy displayed here by one of their own senators 'evading tax' you've yet to condemn it.

    Why do I think she should be sacked?

    Explain to me why she should not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Enough about the Senator. She has her own thread, and that's quite enough space to waste on trivia.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,549 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Cavalry ?

    [MOD]No, mod.[/MOD]


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