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  • #122
    flyswatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    Being a talented musician is separate from being a DJ. A pair of decks or whatever isn't an instrument so a DJ could be a talented musician but not by being a DJ but by being a good instrumentalist. In simpler terms a DJ is only a musician if he is in fact a musician.

    I would consider a DJ a skillful artist if he produces his own tracks to a high standard but again this involves the process of musical creation so isn't relevant to playing records.

    Of course being a DJ could involve none of the above and still be decent at what he does, so it might be a bit demeaning to say they can only push play, although there are examples of this!


  • #123
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    flyswatter wrote: »
    A pair of decks or whatever isn't an instrument

    tell that to kid koala


  • #124
    Napper Hawkins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Napper Hawkins


    Question for those of you in the know, if I, a guitarist/drummer with years of experience playing but with zero experience with the whole electronic scene wanted to get started in it, where would I need to begin? I know my way around a mixing desk from observing sound engineers doing their thing, mixing my demos etc. But as far as decks, vinyls, whatever I'd be fair clueless how to go about it.

    Always fancied the idea of putting an electronic spin to some of my music, which is mainly rock, metal and blues, but I'd rather learn how to do it properly rather than just going out and buying a bunch of equipment and making a balls of it.

    Have a mate who's a dj, not his job, just for the craic and I've always been stood there beside him watching him at it while he attempts to explain what exactly is going on. I learnt a fair bit but want to figure it out for myself.


  • #125
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    flyswatter wrote: »
    A pair of decks or whatever isn't an instrument s

    Rubbish. A cardboard box is an instrument, a metal tin is an instrument, a plastic ruler is an instrument. If you can make original music with it, it's an instrument


  • #126
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Napper Hawkins wrote: »
    Question for those of you in the know, if I, a guitarist/drummer with years of experience playing but with zero experience with the whole electronic scene wanted to get started in it, where would I need to begin? I know my way around a mixing desk from observing sound engineers doing their thing, mixing my demos etc. But as far as decks, vinyls, whatever I'd be fair clueless how to go about it.

    Always fancied the idea of putting an electronic spin to some of my music, which is mainly rock, metal and blues, but I'd rather learn how to do it properly rather than just going out and buying a bunch of equipment and making a balls of it.

    Have a mate who's a dj, not his job, just for the craic and I've always been stood there beside him watching him at it while he attempts to explain what exactly is going on. I learnt a fair bit but want to figure it out for myself.

    do you want to dj or do you want to make music?

    decks will not help you do the latter

    what kind of "electronic spin" do you want to put on your music?


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  • #127
    Bipolar Joe
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    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I really can. All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.
    But again, this isnt about my opinion on dance music









    You legitimately have no idea what you are talking about.


  • #128
    es-cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭es-cee


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Funny, cause I find it laughable that someone would give out to me for making generalisations about something I know nothing about while making presumptions on my personality from the fact I dont like dance music.

    who's giving out? i merely stated a fact.
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    All electronic dance is awful. Hard house, trance, rave etc... it goes on and on. It's all tripe. Dead, soulless tripe.

    i find this ^^^ laughable, as you clearly have no knowledge of what you're talking about. i made no such presumptions about your personality, how could i? i don't know you.


  • #129
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Lumbo wrote: »
    The OP is failing big time here.

    In what way? Last time I looked at the poll the vast majority were agreeing with me. But I really dont want this to descend into an argument about dance music. That's all opinion. I only started this to find out about the actual act of DJing.


  • #130
    flyswatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    Helix wrote: »
    tell that to kid koala

    I won't deny that he's great at what he does, but you can't compose on decks, you play and mix other peoples music. (Spinning your own music doesn't count.)


  • #131
    Helix
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    flyswatter wrote: »
    I won't deny that he's great at what he does, but you can't compose on decks, you play and mix other peoples music. (Spinning your own music doesn't count.)

    you're claiming that what kid koala, among others, does isn't composition? it's as much composition as anything else. is playing guitar not counted as composition because the strings have their own inherent sound before being manipulated by the player? of course not, same way what KK does shouldn't be discounted because the record has its own inherent sound before being manipulated by him

    you absolutely can compose on decks, but it's very, very rare that anyone does it - although that doesn't mean that your statement above is accurate


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  • #132
    Crooked Jack
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    es-cee wrote: »
    i find this ^^^ laughable, as you clearly have no knowledge of what you're talking about. i made no such presumptions about your personality, how could i? i don't know you.

    What? It's my opinion on dance music. I have all the knowledge I could ever require on the subject.
    Could we please get off my opinions on dance and back on the actual subject.


  • #133
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    The lack of thought put into arguments here is depressing. What is music? It's audible art. What is art? Anything done with the intent to be artistic. What is an instrument? Anything that makes sound. Do decks make sound? Yes. Therefore they can be seen as an instrument.

    I'm not a DJ, but I do have two sets of decks here in my apartment, one for CDs and another for vinyl. Anyone who thinks it's easy is welcome to come around, pick anything from my CD or record collection and show me exactly how simple it is.
    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    What? It's my opinion on dance music. I have all the knowledge I could ever require on the subject.
    Could we please get off my opinions on dance and back on the actual subject.

    If you've only ever had rotten beef, does that mean all beef is rotten? Or do you just have a habit of picking up beef that's well passed it's use-by date?


  • #134
    flyswatter
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    Helix wrote: »
    you're claiming that what kid koala, among others, does isn't composition? it's as much composition as anything else. is playing guitar not counted as composition because the strings have their own inherent sound before being manipulated by the player? of course not, same way what KK does shouldn't be discounted because the record has its own inherent sound before being manipulated by him

    you absolutely can compose on decks, but it's very, very rare that anyone does it - although that doesn't mean that your statement above is accurate

    Are these compositions completely original though?


  • #135
    Crooked Jack
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    Samich wrote: »
    Done before!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73843789

    and?
    Thanks for the great contribution though.


  • #136
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    whats the matter op, you try your hand at it and realise its actually not easy.

    back in the day of turntable djs it took a long time for most people to master the art of beat matching, then eyars to master mixing in key ect.

    its also more about the songs that are played than the mixing itself.

    nowadays any old idiot can buy a laptop and click sync and become a (poor)dj overnight. a good dj will know that its more about the songs they chose than anything.

    and the answers on your poll are stupid.

    i have been doing it for about 12 years more of a hobby than anything, but i wouldnt consider myself, or any dj a musician. now the likes of sasha ect who create their own music is different


  • #137
    Bipolar Joe
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    flyswatter wrote: »
    Are these compositions completely original though?

    How many chords are there on a guitar? How many songs can there be before parts of the chord structure from song A end up in B through G? How long before How long before they take up the entire alphabet, and nothing is original? DJing is not just playing someone else's music. It's like aural chess, and you're playing against the audience. If you make a wrong move, everyone will know.


  • #138
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    flyswatter wrote: »
    Are these compositions completely original though?

    It could be argued that there is no such thing as a completely original piece of music


  • #139
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    The lack of thought put into arguments here is depressing. What is music? It's audible art. What is art? Anything done with the intent to be artistic. What is an instrument? Anything that makes sound. Do decks make sound? Yes. Therefore they can be seen as an instrument.

    I'm not a DJ, but I do have two sets of decks here in my apartment, one for CDs and another for vinyl. Anyone who thinks it's easy is welcome to come around, pick anything from my CD or record collection and show me exactly how simple it is.



    If you've only ever had rotten beef, does that mean all beef is rotten? Or do you just have a habit of picking up beef that's well passed it's use-by date?


    No, but if I dont like beef at all, it doesnt matter if it's the best cut of beef in the world.
    I shall be around on monday to play with your decks. I bet you wont actually let me in.


  • #140
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭buried


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    What? It's my opinion on dance music. I have all the knowledge I could ever require on the subject.
    Could we please get off my opinions on dance and back on the actual subject.

    Sorry OP but you chose to ignore my last question so I will just ask again -

    What is your opinion of electronic music that does not involve dance music or beats?

    DJ's and artists exist, and have existed for decades, that play or perform electronic music without the requirement for you to dance to it.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #141
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    How many chords are there on a guitar? How many songs can there be before parts of the chord structure from song A end up in B through G? How long before How long before they take up the entire alphabet, and nothing is original? DJing is not just playing someone else's music. It's like aural chess, and you're playing against the audience. If you make a wrong move, everyone will know.

    Wow! I havent heard waffle like that since I did A-Level Theatre Studies


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  • #142
    flyswatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    It could be argued that there is no such thing as a completely original piece of music

    I don't mean original in the sense that it has never been done before. That's nigh on impossible these days.


  • #143
    Bipolar Joe
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    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Wow! I havent heard waffle like that since I did A-Level Theatre Studies

    That's the difference between an artist and someone who enjoys the surface level. Deconstruct to attain a higher level.


  • #144
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    buried wrote: »
    Sorry OP but you chose to ignore my last question so I will just ask again -

    What is your opinion of electronic music that does not involve dance music or beats?

    DJ's and artists exist, and have existed for decades, that play or perform electronic music without the requirement for you to dance to it.

    I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.


  • #145
    Helix
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    flyswatter wrote: »
    Are these compositions completely original though?

    is the sound of a guitar string or piano key completely original?


  • #146
    Bipolar Joe
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    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

    Because it's impossible to not find one single, solitary song made with a computer and not enjoy it. Again, you're just eating rotten beef. Go to a different butcher.


  • #147
    flyswatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    Helix wrote: »
    is the sound of a guitar string or piano key completely original?

    See my clarification above.


  • #148
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

    do you like this? i use it as an example because it's just a great piece of music really, and to gauge a starting point here



  • #149
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    flyswatter wrote: »
    See my clarification above.

    saw it, doesnt make sense in line with the conversation though

    an open e on guitar, or a c# on piano are existing sounds. the sound on a record is an existing sound

    it's the manipulation of those sounds, the structuring of them with others and the combination with other notes that creates music. what's the difference between a sustained c on a piano, and a sustained c on a record? the c on the record can be manipulated into a wide range of other notes by someone who is skilled with the instrument, just as a piano player can play a range of notes. but both start off with the same base set of sounds, that is to say a preexisting cyclical vibration of the air


  • #150
    --Kaiser--
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I have no idea what you're talking about. It's probably a safe bet that I wouldnt be a fan. But again, were stuck on my opinion. Why does everyone here find it so hard to believe that someone could possibly not have the same taste in music as them.

    I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about your musical 'taste'. You made a moronic statement that 'all electronic music is tripe' (or whatever) and people are debating against this pronouncement


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  • #151
    ScumLord
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    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    How many chords are there on a guitar? How many songs can there be before parts of the chord structure from song A end up in B through G? How long before How long before they take up the entire alphabet, and nothing is original? DJing is not just playing someone else's music. It's like aural chess, and you're playing against the audience. If you make a wrong move, everyone will know.
    I've heard people say that every possible combination of notes will be used up in the next few years/decade. I think many art forms will reach their ultimate conclusions pretty soon. We've gone through every combination and are repeating ourselves at this stage.

    Just look at modern music, it's all just a slightly different version of what's gone before. There's nothing original out there. Same goes for books and movies. It's the same story over and over again with slightly different settings and characters.


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