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DJs

  • 26-07-2012 11:12AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭


    So. Skillful musicians, talented artists or arseholes with an inflated ego who have learned how to push a play button?

    DJs 95 votes

    talented musicians
    0% 0 votes
    skillful artists
    15% 15 votes
    people who can push play
    84% 80 votes


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Depends on the DJ.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Depends on the DJ.

    Are we talking Steve Lawler or Uncle Paddy down the GAA club with his ghettoblaster?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Thatnastyboy


    Well, this guy must have been a hoor of a dj



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭mauzo


    Tiesto lads wha??!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    Never had an ounce of time for them, a playlist would do the job as well.
    Acting like their mixing live on the decks when we know it's all been done months previous with expensive software.
    Worse than Hitler, the lot of them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭TURRICAN


    Unfortunatly none of the above:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So. Skillful musicians, talented artists or arseholes with an inflated ego who have learned how to push a play button?

    20% number 2, 80% number 3. Certainly 0% number 1.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    It seems some people in this thread are confusing DJs with electronic music musicians.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    To be honest, I just dont see that they do anything of any merit.
    Im not saying all of them do, but any that I have met think they are absolute rockstars despite the fact that they play other people's music.
    Then they show you all the buttons they have to learn, as if that's a justification for their attitude.
    Next on the list is how they took two popular songs and mixed them to create a new song. Something any five year old with the right software can do but something they shouldnt do because the mixes always sound worse than the originals.
    I have some very good friends who DJ (there was a massive DJ society in our uni) and despite years of listening to their explanations and arguments I still have little to no respect for it as an art or craft, from the worlds top DJs to Tommy down at the community hall. At least Tommy is only doing it for the craic.
    Then there are the ones who dont even pretend that there is some skill to it, jsut show up at a bar or club with a laptop but still go the whole hog with the massive headphones and acting like they're the God of music.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    Actual performance DJ'ing takes quite a bit of skill. You lot are confusing some guy with a laptop in a pub for being a DJ - he's not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Wastards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    TURRICAN wrote: »
    Unfortunatly none of the above:cool:

    so what should be secret option 4?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    "Hang the DJ, hang the DJ. Hang the DJ hang the DJ hang the DJ"

    DJ Shadow is pretty cool though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭VEN


    depends yes. more and more today anyone can 'pretend' to be a dj, just like say digital photography, graphic design etc. the tools, software
    is more accesible by everyone to try their hand at it BUT these are just tools.
    dj's who learned their trade on vinyl and many who still solely use vinyl have the skills no doubt. granted some skills are required using cds, software but the job is far easier using 'buttons' and eh 'free' mp3s'???. a lot of the time i find their sets to be a mess with less thought and mashed up with all sorts of fancy effects.
    its interesting because in the beginning the DJ was there in the background, then sometime around the 80s into the 90s the rise of superstar DJ arrived. Now i personally think the DJ has gone back into the background because theres so ****ing many of them trying their hand at it, nobody cares anymore, the skill has gone out of it brought upon by technology. Too many sheep and not enough shepherds.
    As for laptop DJs? Nuff said.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    God used to be a dj, now it's usually Anto or Deco.
    Sometimes both.
    No talent required.

    Now producing and mastering midi on a DAW, that takes time & talent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    DarkJager wrote: »
    Actual performance DJ'ing takes quite a bit of skill. You lot are confusing some guy with a laptop in a pub for being a DJ - he's not.

    Can you explain it to me a bit then? What skill exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭HoggyRS


    What really matters is this weekend i'll make the equivalent of 40 hours minimum wage work from djing for a total of 6 hours over 2 nights. Cushty


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭TURRICAN


    This thread is going nowhere like always.
    people shouldnt comment on things they are not so sure of.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Are we talking professional DJs or Anto down the road with a homemade mixing table that played at Jancinta's wedding?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Local_Chap


    DJ Carey? Legend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    People, including the OP (and many new-era DJs too, to be fair), don't understand what a DJ is.

    A DJ isn't, and shouldn't try to be, selling himself as an original artist. We're middle-men, people who search and listen to music that normal people don't have the time for and present it in an entertaining way to them so that they'll appreciate it as we do. That's it. There's no particular ego to it, any egos involved are more down to the person than the profession.

    People who create EDM aren't DJs, they're producers (though an EDM producer will also, likely, be or have been a DJ at some stage). That's why I feel you don't understand what a DJ is, OP, you're hearing the media calling David Guetta a DJ and you're assuming that's what he is. And producers are also musicians, just because they use a laptop doesn't mean that they don't go through the same creative process as any other musician. The laptop and accessories they use around it are just their instruments instead.

    In fact, they probably do more work than a regular musician: a guitar player just plays his part of a song then leaves it to the producer to mix down into the overall track. Producing a track solo requires them to create it, perform it, mix it down and master it themselves.

    But there'll always be ****ing eejits who get drunk in clubs and think, "I cud do dat!" but are too lazy to actually do it, so just settle for slagging off the DJs without having any clue what they actually do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭VEN


    biko wrote: »
    Are we talking professional DJs or Anto down the road with a homemade mixing table that played at Jancinta's wedding?

    i'd go with both, just cos they're professional means jack all when it comes to skill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭TURRICAN


    HoggyRS wrote: »
    What really matters is this weekend i'll make the equivalent of 40 hours minimum wage work from djing for a total of 6 hours over 2 nights. Cushty


    Now now relax.the thread is not looking for this sort of wind up gestures.
    we will get plenty from the people who dont understand here what there talking about.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    TURRICAN wrote: »
    This thread is going nowhere like always.
    people shouldnt comment on things they are not so sure of.:)

    That's why I'm asking. Educate me.
    Yer man above said something about a DAW on a midi something or other.
    I heard a lot of this waffle in uni but to be honest when it came down to it at a party or club nobody ever seemed to notice any difference between the guy with the laptop who hit play and got pissed and the guy with the huge mix desk who ran about frantically fiddling with sliders and knobs all night.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    leggo wrote: »
    People, including the OP (and many new-era DJs too, to be fair), don't understand what a DJ is.

    A DJ isn't, and shouldn't try to be, selling himself as an original artist. We're middle-men, people who search and listen to music that normal people don't have the time for and present it in an entertaining way to them so that they'll appreciate it as we do. That's it. There's no particular ego to it, any egos involved are more down to the person than the profession.

    People who create EDM aren't DJs, they're producers (though an EDM producer will also, likely, be or have been a DJ at some stage). That's why I feel you don't understand what a DJ is, OP, you're hearing the media calling David Guetta a DJ and you're assuming that's what he is. And producers are also musicians, just because they use a laptop doesn't mean that they don't go through the same creative process as any other musician. The laptop and accessories they use around it are just their instruments instead.

    In fact, they probably do more work than a regular musician: a guitar player just plays his part of a song then leaves it to the producer to mix down into the overall track. Producing a track solo requires them to create it, perform it, mix it down and master it themselves.

    But there'll always be ****ing eejits who get drunk in clubs and think, "I cud do dat!" but are too lazy to actually do it, so just settle for slagging off the DJs without having any clue what they actually do.

    So there :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    any nightclub dj = number 3
    fatboy slim = number 2
    ????? = number 1


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's why I'm asking. Educate me.
    Yer man above said something about a DAW on a midi something or other.
    I heard a lot of this waffle in uni but to be honest when it came down to it at a party or club nobody ever seemed to notice any difference between the guy with the laptop who hit play and got pissed and the guy with the huge mix desk who ran about frantically fiddling with sliders and knobs all night.

    DAW = Digital Audio Workstation
    Midi = digital instruments & music that can communicate with each other.

    It's how you create music in the digital age, unlike DJ's who take someone else music and mix it, sometimes destroy it.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Festy


    The Spinmaster from FR TED is the best DJ on this planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Hip hop turntablists > techno disc jockeyists


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭TURRICAN


    That's why I'm asking. Educate me.
    Yer man above said something about a DAW on a midi something or other.
    I heard a lot of this waffle in uni but to be honest when it came down to it at a party or club nobody ever seemed to notice any difference between the guy with the laptop who hit play and got pissed and the guy with the huge mix desk who ran about frantically fiddling with sliders and knobs all night.

    guy with the laptop and got pissed ....says it all.
    guy with the huge mixing desk...think he might be what we call a sound engineer

    google is your friend for the daw and midi.


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