Nice guys finish last?

Sappa · 25-07-2012 12:18PM

Treat the woman like a domesticated 1950s house wife,she will respect your authority and value the discipline.
Don't forget to give her an allowance weekly as it's good to be kind also.

foxyboxer · 25-07-2012 12:24PM

The phrase is not exclusive to sex either.

I prefer the phrase "Nice Guys eat last" where the more aggressive get the Lion's share of anything of value (money, land, status/power and yes, sex), with the Nice Guys feeding on the scraps.

blacklilly · 25-07-2012 12:27PM

Maybe nice guys have reason to get annoyed that they may not get lucky as often as the bad guys.
The bad guys have no problem playing havoc with girls emotions, using them for sex and nothing more. They can click their fingers and the girls fall at their feet.
Whereas the nice guys treat girls with respect, show them affection etc and the girls brand them as pushovers.
My opinion is, a lot of girls think they can change the bad boys and also they are afraid of positive, emotionally connected relationships and therefore choose guys they know won't be emotionally available , subconsciously they don't believe they are worth the respect the nice guy is willing to show

foxyboxer · 25-07-2012 12:34PM

blacklilly wrote: »

Maybe nice guys have reason to get annoyed that they may not get lucky as often as the bad guys.
The bad guys have no problem playing havoc with girls emotions, using them for sex and nothing more. They can click their fingers and the girls fall at their feet.
Whereas the nice guys treat girls with respect, show them affection etc and the girls brand them as pushovers.
My opinion is, a lot of girls think they can change the bad boys and also they are afraid of positive, emotionally connected relationships and therefore choose guys they know won't be emotionally available , subconsciously they don't believe they are worth the respect the nice guy is willing to show

A pushover is really someone who doesn't 'fight' their corner. And does not necessarily need to be a man. either. You can fight your corner in a social interaction and not be an asshole *shock horror*

Duck Soup · 25-07-2012 12:36PM

A genuinely 'nice guy' is likely to have qualities of selflessness and altruism. Fine qualities to be sure, but not necessarily desirable in the furtherance of the species.

In other words, in caveman/cavewoman psychology, 'nice guy' is likely not to be a good, selfish hunter or relentless pursuer of objectives. That makes him a bad provider, and in modern times, this is likely to be borne out by a lack of career/financial success. Employers value the 'dynamism' and 'leadership' of someone who's a bit of a cúnt.

Hardonraging · 25-07-2012 12:37PM

blacklilly wrote: »

My opinion is, a lot of girls think they can change the bad boys and also they are afraid of positive, emotionally connected relationships and therefore choose guys they know won't be emotionally available , subconsciously they don't believe they are worth the respect the nice guy is willing to show

Could be a solid theory there .... I've always found balance to be the winner however, you can be nice to girl as long as you keep a little of your bad boy edginess ..

BraziliaNZ · 25-07-2012 12:40PM

It can be an issue for men that they dont have much going on in their lives or much to live for so when a woman comes along it's the be all and end all of their life and it's all they live for so they cling on to her and eventually push her away.
I think by "Bad Boys" they mean determined men who know what they want and can get other women i they want, must make them feel special or something. I would imagine it's hard for women to understand this as even the most insecure, needy girls I've ever known end up hooking up with guys all the time and they are all settled down now, although not in the happiest relationships. Men can just get left at the sidelines for life.
But what do I know I haven't got laid in years and I'm neither nice nor bad.

mauzo · 25-07-2012 12:40PM

blacklilly wrote: »

Maybe nice guys have reason to get annoyed that they may not get lucky as often as the bad guys.
The bad guys have no problem playing havoc with girls emotions, using them for sex and nothing more. They can click their fingers and the girls fall at their feet.
Whereas the nice guys treat girls with respect, show them affection etc and the girls brand them as pushovers.
My opinion is, a lot of girls think they can change the bad boys and also they are afraid of positive, emotionally connected relationships and therefore choose guys they know won't be emotionally available , subconsciously they don't believe they are worth the respect the nice guy is willing to show

You just summed up every relationship Ive ever been in!

foxyboxer · 25-07-2012 12:40PM

A good analogy would be a dog leash.

You're either on the leash or off it in a relationship. Try to be off it.

steddyeddy · 25-07-2012 12:42PM

I think people sometimes mistake a guy with confidence as a an a$%hole and a guy with no confidence as a nice guy. What exactly is a nice guy? If people really want to go out with a person who treats them like crap then they have esteem problems.

Edit: I would also argue a guy who puts his partner before him all the time also has esteem issues.

Edit: I would also add I am perfect in every way with zero esteem problems :P

foxyboxer · 25-07-2012 12:49PM

Nice Guy

"Alright? I'm heading off to the gym in the morning, be back about 2"
"What? But Helen and Rob are coming over with the baby"
"What? Oh I forgot, sorry about that love, I can go another time"

Whereas a non pushover would go to the gym anyway.

steddyeddy · 25-07-2012 12:49PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

A pushover is really someone who doesn't 'fight' their corner. And does not necessarily need to be a man. either. You can fight your corner in a social interaction and not be an asshole *shock horror*

Plus one. If I was going out with a girl and made my intentions clear before hitting the friend zone would that make me an a*&hole.

kfallon · 25-07-2012 12:51PM

Some girls like bad boys
Some girls like good boys
Some boys like bad girls (not the TV show about lezzies in prison btw

)
Some boys like good girls
Some boys like girls who have willies *hums The Crying Game*

Tis all a question of choice at the end of the day!

kfallon · 25-07-2012 12:53PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

"Alright? I'm heading off to the gym in the morning, be back about 2"
"What? But Helen and Rob are coming over with the baby"
"What? So I have to miss the gym just cos she left that useless twat blow his beans up her buff??? See you later!"

How it prob should happen :pac:

foxyboxer · 25-07-2012 12:53PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Plus one. If I was going out with a girl and made my intentions clear before hitting the friend zone would that make me an a*&hole.

So you would be going out with someone and you said you liked them but ended up friend-zoned?

steddyeddy · 25-07-2012 01:01PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

So you would be going out with someone and you said you liked them but ended up friend-zoned?

I meant that sometimes guys who define themselves as nice dont send girls they like the right signals. Often they end up being their friend rather than a potential boyfriend.

Hardonraging · 25-07-2012 01:02PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I meant that sometimes guys who define themselves as nice dont send girls they like the right signals and end up being their friend rather than a potential boyfriend.

You can be nice and still drop the hand lads !!! just an FYI !!

steddyeddy · 25-07-2012 01:05PM

Hardonraging wrote: »

You can be nice and still drop the hand lads !!! just an FYI !!

Indeed! As I said earlier some people who define themselves as nice are often people who put their partner before them and allow themselves to be treated like doormats.

grindle · 25-07-2012 01:05PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

Nice Guy

"Alright? I'm heading off to the gym in the morning, be back about 2"
"What? But Helen and Rob are coming over with the baby"
"What? Oh I forgot, sorry about that love, I can go another time"

Whereas a non pushover would go to the gym anyway.

Bonus man-points:

"What baby?"

kfallon · 25-07-2012 01:07PM

Hardonraging wrote: »

You can be nice and still drop the hand lads !!! just an FYI !!

Never a truer word was spoken and you can also use the ould, "You can trust my hand, we're friends" line too just to put her at ease :pac:

kfallon · 25-07-2012 01:10PM

grindle wrote: »

Bonus man-points:

"What baby?"

Or, "Jaysus if the child is even half as in bits as her it's not worth looking at! Hope the baby got it's father's looks.....whoever he is" :pac:

Snowie · 25-07-2012 01:14PM

I always thought that a nice guy was some one who was too nice, some what passive and maybe a little on the needy side... Or gave that kinda impression where as a normal guy does what he wants at times can be considered cùntish but ultimately sees booth sides of the coin and generally does right bye him self... respects the fact that he is as important as every one else..

kfallon · 25-07-2012 01:17PM

Snowie wrote: »

I always thought that a nice guy was some one who was too nice, some what passive and maybe a little on the needy side... Or gave that kinda impression where as a normal guy does what he wants at times can be considered cùntish but ultimately sees booth sides of the coin and generally does right bye him self... respects the fact that he is as important as every one else..

Nice guys are pussywhipped

Normal guys know it's give and take in a relationship

Bad guys treat their women like shit as if they are beneath them

pickarooney · 25-07-2012 01:23PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Edit: I would also add I am perfect in every way with zero esteem problems :P

No eserver lag?

/rides off into the sunset on a donkey

Snowie · 25-07-2012 01:24PM

kfallon wrote: »

Nice guys are pussywhipped

Normal guys know it's give and take in a relationship

Bad guys treat their women like shit as if they are beneath them

I beleave i said the same thing!
:rolleyes:

kfallon · 25-07-2012 01:27PM

Snowie wrote: »

I beleave i said the same thing!
:rolleyes:

I just de-waffled your post and put it in nice concise points for others

Voodoomelon · 25-07-2012 01:34PM

leggo wrote: »

It has nothing to do with being 'nice', and being 'nice' has nothing to do with the seduction process. The same way that being nice has nothing to do with being a good footballer or not.

What many (not all) women don't like is passive guys who are insecure and, thus, afraid to show their true selves. So they present this nice guy image instead, which is approachable as it's nice to have someone who'll always be kind to you around, but it doesn't necessarily mean you want to bang them.

None of us are 100% nice, in the same way that none of us are 100% arseholes. But I can see why a woman would be more attracted to a guy who was unafraid to be an arsehole around her than a guy who was clearly hiding it away under layers of insecurity, only for it to be revealed when it's too late. What we take to mean as 'nice' is, more often than not, just a lick arse who's afraid to be themselves.

I hate 'nice' girls too. There's nothing worse than a girl licking your arse, having learned from experience that you'll have to deal with a bunch of stuff that you didn't sign up for, as the layers peel off down the line.

Might sound harsh, but it's the truth.

Someone get this poster a TV show.

smash · 25-07-2012 01:56PM

syndeyfife wrote: »

You just summed up every relationship Ive ever been in!

Ah, girls like you keep us going!

kfallon · 25-07-2012 02:00PM

smash wrote: »

Ah, girls like you keep us going!

Us?

smash · 25-07-2012 02:18PM

kfallon wrote: »

Us?

Me anyway. I'm a 1 man wolf pack!

Nice guys finish last?

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