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RDF Integration

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  • #62
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    syklops wrote: »
    Yeah its not going to happen because the PDF get an allowance for doing Cash in Transit. They would never allow that allowance to go to RDF members instead, because as they see it, if the RDF can do CIT there are other duties they could do for 'free', which could mean a reduction in funding to the Defence Forces, even a reduction in numbers. Turkeys wont vote for Christmas.

    We don't get an "allowance" for CiT. We get sub, which covers the cost of troops having to buy all their own food while on CiT, since they're not rationed like normal personnel on duty. Trust me, lads aren't so desperate to hang onto sub, which is **** all, that they want to keep CiT's.

    They do CiT's because they're told to do them. Nothing more or less.
    OS119 wrote: »
    while thats entirely true, thats a society wide problem, and not one that just effects the PDF. sadly however it seems deep rooted - an example that shocked me was on here, there was a vociferous debate a few years ago about whether the IG should sent a battalion battle group to Northern/Westerrn Afghanistan, and a PDF lad said he wouldn't go - and why you ask? well, because its a NATO job, and not a UN job, he wouldn't get a UN allowance.

    nice.

    Well that's the joy of the interweb really, people talk bollocks on it.

    The current DF members serving in A'Stan recieve the exact same Overseas Allowance as any of the DF members currently serving in the Leb.
    Morphéus wrote: »
    maybe maintain a 3 brigade structure with 2 full time brigades and 1 RDF brigade could have been a good idea....

    1 RDF Bde could be viable but you'd still end up with 1 Bde split across a two Bde area.

    RDF Sub Unit's in PDF Unit's are the way forward, IMO. With proper employment protection in place, ditching of the "Lead Bde" concept when it comes to Overseas and switch to whole Unit's being deployed together, which would of course mean, their RDF Sub Unit goes along too.

    Integrate until there's no more, or as little as possible, "Us and them" attitude.

    By the way, any Officer or NCO's who deliberately worked against, bullied troops and undermined attempts at making integration work, should've been up on charges. ****ing disgraceful carry on, and empire protection of the highest order. They have no place in an organisation looking to develop it's capabilites and turn itself into a viable option for the PDF and DoD to use.


  • #63
    KickstartHeart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭KickstartHeart


    Poccington wrote: »
    We don't get an "allowance" for CiT. We get sub, which covers the cost of troops having to buy all their own food while on CiT, since they're not rationed like normal personnel on duty. Trust me, lads aren't so desperate to hang onto sub, which is **** all, that they want to keep CiT's.

    They do CiT's because they're told to do them. Nothing more or less.



    Well that's the joy of the interweb really, people talk bollocks on it.

    The current DF members serving in A'Stan recieve the exact same Overseas Allowance as any of the DF members currently serving in the Leb.



    1 RDF Bde could be viable but you'd still end up with 1 Bde split across a two Bde area.

    RDF Sub Unit's in PDF Unit's are the way forward, IMO. With proper employment protection in place, ditching of the "Lead Bde" concept when it comes to Overseas and switch to whole Unit's being deployed together, which would of course mean, their RDF Sub Unit goes along too.

    Integrate until there's no more, or as little as possible, "Us and them" attitude.

    By the way, any Officer or NCO's who deliberately worked against, bullied troops and undermined attempts at making integration work, should've been up on charges. ****ing disgraceful carry on, and empire protection of the highest order. They have no place in an organisation looking to develop it's capabilites and turn itself into a viable option for the PDF and DoD to use.


    Do you as an actual soldier think that what you reckon should happen with the RDF could actually happen? The minister in the publication on the DoD site about the re-org said that the Army Reserve AND the Army will be reorganized. You think they might recognize what you've suggested or something similar when they're at the drawing board?


  • #64
    Morpheus
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    KickstartHeart wrote: »
    Do you as an actual soldier think that what you reckon should happen with the RDF could actually happen? The minister in the publication on the DoD site about the re-org said that the Army Reserve AND the Army will be reorganized. You think they might recognize what you've suggested or something similar when they're at the drawing board?

    In fairness... there arent THAT many options open to the army about what to do with the reserve...

    1. Disband the whole organization - hope this doesn't happen
    2. Integrate an RDF company with a PDF Bn
    3. Reduce and centralize existing units - eg for infantry in the East that could be... 67, 62 and 65 Bn's become something like 60Bn RDF available to augment all PDF infantry Bn's in the east and train in one location e.g. Gormo.
    4. Have a look at other similar reserve forces in other countries and follow an existing model

    Whatever is chosen, if they really want a willing and able and well trained deployable RDF standards will have to go through the ceiling ACROSS the RDF Board AND it will require SERIOUS employee protection legislation and actual repercussions for repeated non attendance to training nights and annual training.


  • #65
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    KickstartHeart wrote: »
    Do you as an actual soldier think that what you reckon should happen with the RDF could actually happen? The minister in the publication on the DoD site about the re-org said that the Army Reserve AND the Army will be reorganized. You think they might recognize what you've suggested or something similar when they're at the drawing board?

    Well, I don't post on here as a soldier. :)

    As Morph has said, what to do with the RDF isn't a question that can be dodged forever. They will, eventually, have to deal with it.

    I'd like for something like that to happen, whether people far higher up the chain think that way or not, is a whole other ball game. However, I don't see it being disbanded. Merely a case of it going through another re-org... How it's implemented and executed, is vital.


  • #66
    westcoastboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭westcoastboy


    The integrated section, occurred in early 2007.Jan and was dissolved by September ish that year...
    When I did it around 10 of us went off the the PDF, company and were trained by a CQMS...We did a lot of running and time in the gym..I was knackered..we ran in Phoenix park..it was part of building us up to take the IT 2000' S...army fittness tests..
    We were issued nearly the same gear as the PDF Soldiers...
    Got paid also...
    Went to a range of lecturers
    and learnt comms, first aid etc..pity the rdf officers were against it...

    The whole of the RDF shouldhave been like that...
    Rdf great idea, piss poor management.
    .last Thursdays Indo leaked that the VFM Report was going to take units out of the countryside..and reduce cadre staff from 250 to 50..

    At the end of the day, the Garda Reserve concept is about helping your community whether you like it or not..it gives somethiing back...at lot would look at the RDF and say well whats its point..maybe..IMHO


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