Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

ben.schlomo · 20-07-2012 03:44PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Aurelio
he was injured all the time but he did have a great left foot
not too many better LB's in the PL than Enrique
Insua has done well at Sporting but he was poor for us

Big difference doing well in the third/fourth best team in Portugal and in well at the upper end in the PL. As for Lloyd claiming we need a better keeper, well thats just lunacy.

MD1990 · 20-07-2012 03:44PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yes Aurelio, the dude who played 62 times between 2007 and 2009.

And selling Insua proved short sighted, we replaced him with ****ing Konchesky ffs. And he wasn't "poor". He was young and clearly just needed time to develop. As Henderson and Carroll now need.

a good few of Aurelio games were as a Left Winger
Enrique is a better LB than Insua

SlickRic · 20-07-2012 03:44PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Only replace a manager if you're bringing in an obvious upgrade ala Brian Kerr and Rafael Benitez. If Dalglish had gone for Benitez or Van Gaal I could have lived with it.

cheers for the clarification; i know you've probably answered it in various ways before.

i agree fwiw, i'm just choosing to be a little more optimistic.

missingtime · 20-07-2012 03:44PM

MD1990 wrote: »

i think Enrique is an excellent LB
he had a bad 2nd half to the season but Downing done him no favours in linking up with Enrique going forward

MD1990 wrote: »

Aurelio
he was injured all the time but he did have a great left foot
not too many better LB's in the PL than Enrique
Insua has done well at Sporting but he was poor for us

I think next season a lot of people will be lose the rag with Enrique. He is good but some of his positional play is poor and his random shooting once he is 20 odd yards from the opposition goal drives me up the wall.

Perhaps Rodgers will have a word with him on keeping possession in the final third but the position does need upgrading.

Oh and Insua wasnt poor for us, he was dumped in at the deep end, and people with no patience jumped on him. He had a good few assists under his belt too.

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 03:46PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Better Goalkepper???? really

Yes. Pepe Reina was league average at best last year. Really, really poor. Debated before, but when people think of Reina as a strength they are thinking about a version of Reina that hasn't existed for about two and a half years...

RayCon · 20-07-2012 03:48PM

Christ I can't wait for the season to start .....

G.K. · 20-07-2012 03:50PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm not fully comfortable with it, but I'm more comfortable with it than I am other things like:

- Charlie Adam seeing significant game time;
- Borrini leading the line for extended periods;
- Stewart Downing seeing significant game time;
- Carragher / Coates seeing significant game time;
- Not signing another attacker who walks into the first XI;
- Not signing another central / attacking midfielder who walks into the first XI;
- Not having players who can impact a game from the bench like Dirk Kuyt;

Spearing is far from our most pressing concern, that's the point.

What is your concern with the things I emboldened?

MD1990 · 20-07-2012 03:50PM

missingtime wrote: »

I think next season a lot of people will be lose the rag with Enrique. He is good but some of his positional play is poor and his random shooting once he is 20 odd yards from the opposition goal drives me up the wall.

Perhaps Rodgers will have a word with him on keeping possession in the final third but the position does need upgrading.

Oh and Insua wasnt poor for us, he was dumped in at the deep end, and people with no patience jumped on him. He had a good few assists under his belt too.

but u could say the same about N'Gog as well though
Insua is playing well in Portugal which isnt a strong league

Kess73 · 20-07-2012 03:51PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I love this notion that we should have another Lucas in reserve. We don't even have anywhere near the right first 11 at present, and until we do talk of doubling up on quality in positions is mad Ted.

We need midfield help because Gerrard and Lucas are the only two players really up to scratch relative to our ambitions. But the guy we're signing needs to someone who can start week in, week out - not to cover 25 games that Lucas doesn't play. Sign that guy, get the front three finalised, think about Center half cover first and foremost - THEN look to upgrade on Spearing.

People are fixated on the wrong things imo.

We don't need another Lucas in reserve but if we bought a CM/DM that was good enough to go straight into the first team to play alongside Lucas that was also capable of doing what Lucas does should Lucas be out, then we had some kind of solidity in the centre.

Someone like Moussa Sissoko would be cheaper than Allen, but capable of the passing side of things and very good at the physical and defensive side of things.

Gary Medel would be cheaper than Allen by quite a bit and would pretty much be a Mascherano style player would a greater passing range. Loads of aggression and stamina as well.

Both of those players would be a step up on our current CM/DM options save for Lucas and either could prove to be a step up on Lucas as well.

Put a player like either of the above alongside Lucas and suddenly we have a centre that can go toe to toe with any team in the league in terms of a central midfield battle.

Gerrard and Aquilani could share the AM role between them over the course of a season should we not want to bring in a quality younger AM/CAM.

Henderson, Adam, Spearing and Shelvey could be the cover should one of the CM pairing need a rest because if one of Lucas or Medel/Sissoko is out the remaining player still packs plenty of steel for the middle of the park.

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 03:51PM

RayCon wrote: »

Christ I can't wait for the season to start .....

Neither can I, the misguided optimism will disappear when we start losing football matches

OR

we'll start winning football matches and we can all have a good old laugh at sily old Lloyd while doing pelvic thrusts in celebration at our upturn in fortunes...:)

Jesus Wept · 20-07-2012 03:53PM

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

It's not like he said Joe cole would be a starter next season or likened him to Messi in training.

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 03:54PM

G.K. wrote: »

What is your concern with the things I emboldened?

I don't think we'll qualify for the CL depending on either.

I suppose I could look at it another way and agree that they have long term upside, but our timescale for getting back where we need to be is shorter than we'd all like to admit...

Chucky the tree · 20-07-2012 03:54PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Neither can I, the misguided optimism will disappear when we start losing football matches

OR

we'll start winning football matches and we can all have a good old laugh at sily old Lloyd while doing pelvic thrusts in celebration at our upturn in fortunes...:)

I'm just looking forward to quoting all your posts in one go.

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 03:55PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'm hyst looking forward to quoting all your posts in one go.

Failure to do so would be a disgraceful oversight on all your parts imo!

whatawaster · 20-07-2012 03:56PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I don't think we'll qualify for the CL depending on either.

I suppose I could look at it another way and agree that they have long term upside, but our timescale for getting back where we need to be is shorter than we'd all like to admit...

But we are more likely to get to CL with Spearing?

Glico Man · 20-07-2012 03:57PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Insua is playing well in Portugal which isnt a strong league

He's not just simply playing well, he's been a standout performer this past season.

opr · 20-07-2012 03:57PM

I actually think Aquilani as a central partner for Lucas would be perfect. He has played as the deep lying centre during most of his loan time in Italy often in a two man midfield. I think they would complement each other well.

Opr

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-07-2012 03:58PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yes. Pepe Reina was league average at best last year. Really, really poor. Debated before, but when people think of Reina as a strength they are thinking about a version of Reina that hasn't existed for about two and a half years...

He was poor last year, but sitting deep doesnt suit him, i think well see a better Pepe this year

MD1990 · 20-07-2012 03:58PM

aaronh007 wrote: »

He's not just simply playing well, he's been a standout performer this past season.

did u see there games?

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 03:58PM

Kess73 wrote: »

We don't need another Lucas in reserve but if we bought a CM/DM that was good enough to go straight into the first team to play alongside Lucas that was also capable of doing what Lucas does should Lucas be out, then we had some kind of solidity in the centre...

That would be fine. My point is that whatever acquisition we make needs to be a starter, not a back up.

Kess73 · 20-07-2012 03:59PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'm hyst looking forward to quoting all your posts in one go.

Takes a special kind of person to care about what someone on a web forum said 12, 24, or 36 months ago. :pac:

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 04:00PM

MD1990 wrote: »

did u see there games?

I watched him be money time during their Europa League run.

Kess73 · 20-07-2012 04:00PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

That would be fine. My point is that whatever acquisition we make needs to be a starter, not a back up.

Was agreeing with what you said, not disagreeing with it.

Bloc Party! · 20-07-2012 04:03PM

So what sort of team is everyone expecting to line out Tomorrow?

Glico Man · 20-07-2012 04:08PM

MD1990 wrote: »

did u see there games?

Plenty. Himself, Ricky van, Rui Patricio and Fernandez were far and away Sportings best players and easily 4 of the best in Liga Sagres.

While he didn't have much competition last season, Sporting have signed fellow countryman Marcos Rojo from Spartak, and while I don't really rate Rojo as anyone all that special, it will be interesting to see how he takes to having competition.

And just to go back to your comment on the league not being that strong, they've overtaken Ligue 1 as the 5th best in Europe.

opr · 20-07-2012 04:11PM

I've seen Insua mentioned a few times when trawling the football transfer gossip :pac: Fiorentina and Valencia were two names mentioned in connection with him over the last few weeks. We still own 50% of him, not sure how that works if Sporting sell him on.

Opr

whatawaster · 20-07-2012 04:12PM

Jones

McLaughlin

Enrique

Wisdom

Skrtel

Spearing

Shelvey

Aquilani

---Ibe

Sterling----

Pacheco

to start.

G.K. · 20-07-2012 04:15PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Jones

McLaughlin
Enrique
Wisdom
Skrtel
Spearing
Shelvey
Aquilani

---Ibe
Sterling----
Pacheco

to start.

Is that confirmed?

whatawaster · 20-07-2012 04:17PM

G.K. wrote: »

Is that confirmed?

No no. It's what I reckon it might be.

Kess73 · 20-07-2012 04:17PM

G.K. wrote: »

Is that confirmed?

Best guess I would imagine.

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