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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,014 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    31 year old cockney geezers with questionable attitudes most of their careers, on £100k a week, bought by Purslow are not the players I think we should be showing faith in. Jesus.

    He had one crap season with us where everyone was pretty much crap.

    He also had, by all accounts, a reasonable season in France.

    If I could end his contract I would but theres no point in spouting vitriol.

    Maxi cost around 2m in signing on fees when we got him (another 'free' transfer) and I wouldn't have been at all happy with contribution after his first season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,301 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Was watching a few interviews with some of the players over there and like we know the training has been different, more ball focused etc.. and up pops carra saying nothing much is different atall. Gas...
    Also before we go offloading players we need to get some in first or atleast nail the deal for a certainty beforehand. Bar central midfield.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭markie29




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Melion wrote: »
    I'm going on record here and now:

    If Joe Cole is kept this season he will be a huge success this season.

    If Aquilani is kept, he will be our most important midfielder by next May.

    Henderson will be very good this season.

    Adam will be a success under Rodgers.

    Carroll will score 15+ in all comps if kept.
    Were you in Dagos tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Melion wrote: »
    Jesus how did I forget Downing. I expect him to have an even worse season, god I hate him!

    We won't need a partner for Lucas. I think we will have too many midfielders next summer and we will all have different opinions on who should be playing. I really think Lucas, Gerrard, Aquilani, Henderson, Adam and Shelvey will ALL have good seasons.

    But I very doubt beside Lucas. And really with Gerrard, it's a best hope at this stage, Henderson might replace him if we ae very, very lucky. Adam is grand as a squad option and Aqua and Shelvey would seem to be Attacking Midfielders, the squad has no problems in that area whatsoever.

    Beside Lucas it has serious problems.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭Ape X


    So has all the Ramirez talk died a death?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Spurs' squad looks very decent. I really hoped they'd be weakened by now.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Grayditch wrote: »
    Spurs' squad looks very decent. I really hoped they'd be weakened by now.

    On paper presently they should finish above us comfortably this season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Al I love how you make sounding getting rid of him so easy. As if teams are lining up to pay the guy 80k a week. If he leaves it will either be on loan again were we pay most of his wages or else we'll have to give him a big pay-off first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Too many managers have their contracts terminated
    And very few players, Few players at liverpool that should be shown the door, asap

    Those managers get paid off. You dont just terminate a player's contract and say bye bye.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    New Owners, new manager, same ineptness.

    We are less than a month away from the start of the season, we have started pre season training and so far have completed one transfers.

    They had all of June to get our **** together, make enquiries and be ready to launch on July 1st. It seems that other clubs can deal with each other and reach/fail to reach an agreement fairly quickly in most transfers (barring the occasional big transfer that gets dragged out).

    Perhpas our reputation precedes us, everyone figures we are there for the taking so negotiations drag out. And why not get someone decent in to handle that side of the business? Instead Ian Ayre is doing it?

    Give Rick Parry a call, maybe after extended summer holliers end he will come give us a dig out at continuing to bumble through like a bunch of Marys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    Same sh1t, different day, thats all i seem to see in here lately.

    Joe Cole, Stewart Downing, Purslow......pretty much all the reasons right there why we have declined for 20 years. :rolleyes:

    Any of you lads ever been to Lille?.......christ.......thats a move a Londoner just would not make for lifestyle reasons.

    Downing made 55 chances for his team last year (only 6 less than Suarez) and the lads on the end of them finished fk all, Andy Carroll scored no league goal at Anfield.

    Some folk need to channel their personal opinions better in here imo, some of it is coming off as irrational towards some of the players in the squad. What you really should be worried about is the owners. Thats what im most worried about, i see great things off the pitch, on it i see nothing thats gives me confidence that we wont be back where we were in 18 months, still selling the dream after another mistake.......perhaps the only thing they learned from the last 2 years is what Warren Barton says on Fox Soccer. I jest........but do i..............

    We had the right manager for at least another year. We sacked the manager based on 'payback' from ludicrous prices 'sported' against other teams who spent more wisely. Someone remind me who appointed Comolli and how the Redsox did last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The bigger picture?........(yes, beers on board)

    And one last thing, Ian Ayre is a bigger spoofer than Comolli.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    We sacked the manager because he was horrendous in the league and often looked like he didn't have much clue what he wanted to do with the team. That's before I even mention the absolute dross he signed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    He wanted to go play football in sunny France while we continued paying his wages?

    Wow, what a martyr!

    Lille isn't exactly on the Cote d'Azur Al :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    Managers have been sacked after winning leagues and having great seasons.

    If i ever become one of these fking 'tards' who likes change for the sake of it after one full season (and has no patience) i will just stop watching football. Some 'prize pupils' in this fanbase sing the song but dont take in the meaning of "storm".

    Im just waiting for some dope next season to come out with the line, 'ah well, we finished 2 places higher than Dalglish managed, thats progress'........... but never had a sniff of a trophy.

    Hypothetically, maybe Dalglish and some of those players wouldnt take their eye off the ball in the league if most of them had never won a medal last year. Lets have a look next year how Newcastle's squad holds up when they play half a season with 3 games a week instead of one, like last year when they got dumped out of all but the league in Jan/Feb. Thats not a go at Newcastle, its just a perception to make a point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    I would have packed in watching football when it got to the stage where I wanted rid of Rafa for Hogdson tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    Rafa took over a squad that qualified for CL. We were 45 mins away from him taking us to a cup final embarrassment and no CL football the following year. Theres no point debating particulars over that but his start at the club was offering players CL football, not taking over a team closer to relegation. Perspective.

    We cant change history but the crux is he got time and City and Spurs were a dot on the horizon in terms of league challenge then.

    The overall point is, imho, Dalglish got very unlucky. In many uneducated quarters he is held to account for prices paid, on the pitch, 20% of the chances that hit the post go in and he has us moving forward from where we were. If folk think that there is some sort of equation where a man comes in and spends liberally to get 4th these days they are mistaken. He will still make mistakes in the market but maybe Rodgers will get a bit extra time because he doesnt have incompetence doing the negotiating.

    If we paid what we thought the players signed under Dalglish were worth we would have made a profit on players under these owners. We can say we did overpay, doesnt change the bodies around the place putting on the shirt. Is it reasonable to assume if we were told we would get to two cup finals and finish 8th after taking over a team losing at home to wolves that would have been ok for 1st season or not?, half the team last year barely played with each other before that.......are folk expecting miracles or what?. Dont expect any next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭woodyg


    some ones had a couple of mid week beers i take it?

    it's always a great amusmnet to me the hyper bole that goes on with football threads and chats these days
    it would be great if we could pause this thread till september 1st and let the Summer pan out an the 2 games in the league be played and then take a look at who is in the squad who played, who played well/ who played ****e
    then at least we could have a semi educated guess at what's happening at the club as a whole with out the crazy assumptions that have been branded about

    it's a new begining for every one this Summer players manager coaches owners fans and for some reason i can't quite understand there is all ready a section who after only 6 weeks or so of not even pre-season are determined to right off a Season that hasn't even started

    everything takes time that goes for both improvement and decline nothing happens over night\week\month it all takes time to buld or collapse and no one knows what way this season or the next 5 seasons are going to play out

    there should only be one thing for certain and that is give it chance let the past be the past and stop harping on about it, move on as a whole club fans/manager/owners and start to build something

    this looking back misty eyed on the past stuff needs to be gotten rid off does no one any favours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    Had a few beers, yes. Doesn't mean the keyboard looks like a cockpit or what's written isn't honest.

    Does appeasement come that cheap that all you need to do is sack a manager and all is forgotten?. How many 'new starts' does it take before it looks like bad decision making?. These owners have already sacked a lot of people they took on themselves within the club and seem to have no issue sticking in random troubleshooter's at the sign of any incompetence, maybe a little look in the mirror wouldn't hurt.

    Buy hey, if it was said 10 months ago that Swansea would be our next fishing trip for manager and players that would be met with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    daithijjj wrote: »
    These owners have already sacked a lot of people they took on themselves within the club and seem to have no issue sticking in random troubleshooter's at the sign of any incompetence, maybe a little look in the mirror wouldn't hurt.

    Buy hey, if it was said 10 months ago that Swansea would be our next fishing trip for manager and players that would be met with?

    I know it's a novel concept, but perhaps you should see how your new manager does for a few games before you decide he's rubbish, the wrong choice and just a "random troubleshooter".

    He is a young manager, with a philosophy that clearly appeals to them. To be honest, if they were going for a steady the ship merchant, there are dozens of better choices than Rodgers. They obviously picked him because of what he showed he could do with limited resources at swansea and because they want to build something.

    They don't want a steady ship in mid table.....they want a dynasty like what United have. I would think that is obvious from both their comments since they took over and their choice of manager.

    I also think that your assertion that because he managed Swansea that he is somehow beneath liverpool or not good enough.....is churlish and ignorant. Mourinho managed a small club first. Fergie managed a small club first. Wenger managed a small club first. People should be judged on their on merits....not the last job on their C.V.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    daithijjj wrote: »
    Im just waiting for some dope next season to come out with the line, 'ah well, we finished 2 places higher than Dalglish managed, thats progress'........... but never had a sniff of a trophy.

    Hypothetically, maybe Dalglish and some of those players wouldnt take their eye off the ball in the league if most of them had never won a medal last year. Lets have a look next year how Newcastle's squad holds up when they play half a season with 3 games a week instead of one, like last year when they got dumped out of all but the league in Jan/Feb. Thats not a go at Newcastle, its just a perception to make a point.

    Grand so. LFC can prioritise the cups every season. That way we can hide behind the domestic cups and sneer teams that make a concerted effort at finishing higher in the league.

    The fact is Newcastle finished 13 points above us. They had a better recruiting policy than we had. Liverpool should be looking to learn from that. In fairness, the owners probably are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    The season cant start soon enough......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,214 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    He wanted to go play football in sunny France while we continued paying his wages?

    Wow, what a martyr!

    Your obviously not too familiar with the climate in Lille


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    <oscar moment>
    The enemy is out there people, out there!
    Can't you see we are tearing ourselves apart??
    </oscar moment>

    Seriously though, we get WAAAY too emotionally involved in these things. 4 weeks until our first league game, I won't be comparing squads or passing judgement until closer to that...


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bloody queue for these tickets :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭Luckycharms_74


    Jamie Carragher invigorated and ready for new semester under Brendan Rogers as Liverpool train at Harvard

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9409346/Jamie-Carragher-invigorated-and-ready-for-new-semester-under-Brendan-Rogers-as-Liverpool-train-at-Harvard.html

    By Chris Bascombe, in Boston

    A week ago, Carragher was receiving an honorary degree at Liverpool’s John Moores University.

    Here, with his club based in America’s most celebrated seat of learning, the first class football student is discussing the next semester under a new tutor.

    Brendan Rodgers has just finished his latest training session on the campus. Look closely around the streets of Massachusetts and you might glimpse the statues of those Puritan founding fathers nodding in approval.

    Two touch games, players urged to embrace a football to the point where they’re expected to win it back within seven seconds of losing the ball and not a gruelling 20-minute run around the perimeter of the pitch in sight.

    This is not a typical pre-season drill. Rodgers’ meticulousness extends to ensuring each player is given thorough details of the passing options they must offer every team-mate, wherever he is on the pitch. All creating angles, each under order to value possession.

    Carragher, now working under his sixth Liverpool manager, feels invigorated by a new voice with innovative plans, although he is wary of branding it a New England revolution. He is reminded of the early days of Gérard Houllier and Rafa Benítez when contemporary ideas gave Liverpool a similar sense of vigour.

    Carragher is too deferential to those previous managers' success to suggest his current experiences are ‘better’ and it remains to be seen how effective they will be when the season starts.

    “I would never put it that training is more enjoyable because it’s disrespectful to what’s gone before,” explains Carragher.

    “There is always a certain degree of disappointment when a new manager comes in because it means it hasn’t worked out for the previous one, whether it was Roy, Gerard, Rafa or Kenny. There is more enthusiasm now because it's fresh and new and people are trying to impress more and it’s a clean slate, but you also have to respect the past.

    “There have been slight differences to the normal pre-season. It is possession based, but we are Liverpool and we have always tried to play that way in training. It's fantastic to have a manager who has these ideas about wanting to pass the ball, but it's not like we're going from being a long-ball team.

    “We've always had that in our history and DNA. We've always been a club that tried to play good football.

    “Of course the manager has slightly different ideas compared to Kenny [Dalglish] or Rafa [Benítez] and 4-3-3 is a system the club has probably never tried before. Everyone has their own way they want to do things.

    “Normally in pre-season you have your football work and your running. This time it is all incorporated in one, so you have the football all the time.

    “All the elements have been blended into one thing rather than separated out, so we’re working really hard physically. Any footballer will tell you it’s better when you’re with the ball.

    “I’ve only known the new manager for two or three weeks and he’s been fantastic with me, but also all the players, especially the young kids. I’ve learned a lot from him already because although he is relatively young he has been a coach for 20 years.

    "Sometimes you wonder what it's like at other clubs and the closest you get to knowing that feeling when you’re at one club is when a new manager comes in.

    “I’ve learned from the way he talks to players about what he expects, even those who are not in my position. If I’m picked, I’ll know exactly what he was expecting from the other players. It’s not just what he’s saying to me, but everyone. He is very much a coach, and it’s great to see him out there.

    “The last few weeks have been great, but we can't keep saying how good training is. We need to take the enjoyment and enthusiasm the lads have shown out on to the pitch.”

    If Liverpool really want to be radical, in view of Rodgers’ philosophy they should consider changing their anthem from ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ to George Harrison’s ‘All Things Must Pass’.

    Football’s buzz phrase is ‘tiki-taka’ but Carragher believes Liverpool will combine various assets.

    “You can’t say we’re going to play like Spain or Barcelona,” he said. “We haven’t got the players so there’s no point us saying we want to do exactly what they do, but you want to incorporate some of it with some of your own style.

    "We’ll be playing a similar system to Barcelona, that’s true, but we don’t have Xavi and Iniesta. There’s nothing wrong with trying incorporate what the best teams do, though. But we have different ideas and we’re in a different league.

    “Some people are big on systems, some people are big on players.

    “Some say it's the players who make the system, others say it's the system that makes the difference.

    “I think systems do play a part otherwise why not all play the same system? But it's still about players and them having the confidence and the belief to get on the ball and play.”

    The difference for Carragher under Rodgers is he realises his role is time sensitive. If there is a more contemplative look in his eye as Rodgers oversees training, it may be part of the deliberation as to whether he wishes to make the eventual transition from player to coach. That decision will wait until next summer.

    “I've got a year to go on my contract. Whenever the manager calls upon me I'll be there, wanting to play and wanting to do as well as I possibly can,” he said.

    “My only motivation is to play well for Liverpool, for Liverpool to win games, hopefully get a trophy and get into the Champions League.

    “It's about playing as many games as I can and see where we go from there.

    “We should be looking to challenge for the top four. It won't be easy as you look at the competition now. For us to get into the top four someone has to get out. Look at teams in it, who is coming out?

    “Chelsea weren't in the top four this season and they are having a blast with the money they're spending.

    “But I think it's realistic we should be challenging. Of course we want to be getting in it. The league has to improve but we still want to do well in the cups.”

    “Ronnie Moran once said to me at 65 you never stop learning so I have still a lot to learn at 34,” he said.

    Interesting about the 7 seconds to win the ball back. I wonder how many seconds it was under Kenny or Roy :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,888 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭NEDDURC


    SlickRic - is it just me or does he look like he's lost some weight (not in a good way) and looks a little reserved (timid) in the photos so far. I think that is probably natural to be cautious after such a long injury. I think he should take the recovery very slowly in terms of playing games.

    How often do players come back from such bad injuries only to get further injuries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,888 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    NEDDURC wrote: »
    I think he should take the recovery very slowly in terms of playing games.

    this is absolutely vital IMO after this sort of injury.

    and it makes it all the more important that we have able cover in his position, so he does not need to play every game from the start of the season if there is any doubt about the knee.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    SlickRic wrote: »
    this is absolutely vital IMO after this sort of injury.

    and it makes it all the more important that we have able cover in his position, so he does not need to play every game from the start of the season if there is any doubt about the knee.

    To be fair the medical staff will know what they are doing here.
    He'll be seeing the best specialists and ACL injuries aren't as career threatening as they were years ago.


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