Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

Turtyturd wrote: »

He had the chance to do that towards the end of last season.......and this happened.

Why cite that & not his phenomenal cameo against Chelsea in the FA Cup where he very nearly brought the game into extra time by himself?

If you want to be analytical about (and I'd suggest the club/FSG are) things in regards to Carroll, then right now his "book value" is about £24 million.

In that case, flogging him for anywhere between £15 - £20 million isn't the huge loss that people would think, from an accounting perspective at least. We've already written off a portion of his fee already.

None of that changes the fact that spending £35 million was nuts in the first place and we shouldn't have ever found ourselves in this position.

grohlisagod wrote: »

Just listening to Lucas' interview on Lfc.tv. Sounds like all of his best friends at the club have left. Cavalieri, Meireles, Maxi and Aurelio. A part of being a professional footballer I always tend to forget about it.

Think Kuyt was another person that got on really well with everyone also, including Lucas.

Reina is really gonna have to up his game in the dressing room (And on the pitch too for that matter)

Sky Sports linking Liverpool with Kevin Mirallas.
He has a buyout clause of £6.4 million apparently

mayordenis wrote: »

I'm just going to say what we're all thinking.

Everyone in this thread is a troll, every last one of you, and me. Everybodys Trollin'.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Kess, Carroll has performed well for the last few months. You're ignoring that & using his scoring stats to beat him with, while important, they are not the sole indicator of whether he's played well.

All this talk of Rodgers style etc, I can't ****ing wait for the season to start. People are gonna be scratching their heads when we don't turn into Barca overnight.

No you are right that goals are not the sole indicator of how well a player is doing, but they sure as hell are a big indicator when it comes to strikers.


Plus the "Carroll performed well for months" myth is pretty laughable. It gets trotted out over and over as if he was playing well for a few months in a row when he was having as many anonymous in the final three or four months of the season as he was having good to excellent games. Hell, take the cup games out of it and all you are left with are the Chelsea and Everton games in the league for really good performances and the Blackburn game for a good performance.


It is great that you don't think that goals or rather not getting goals is a big deal for a centre forward, but I happen to think that if someone says that a club's striker or centre forward had performed well for a number of months that there would be a respectable amount of goals scored.


Yeah I use his inability to get goals as a stick to beat him with, and one league goal from the final three months of the season that people like you say is him performing well really highlights how accepting of mediocre performances people can be when it suits their own agenda.


Ah shure Andy was great for the last few months of the season. So what if he is a striker who cannot score on even a semi regular basis or even get a decent amount of assists to make up for his lack of goals. We always have his four or five good games to cling to as we ignore the fact that he was poor to average in four or five times that number of games.

Thank Christ we bought Diouf in 2002 as his performance in his first full season at Liverpool has saved Carroll from having the lowest scoring debut season for a Liverpool number 9 in the club's history.

There is a flip side to your arguement about how much latent ability Carroll has. You can say it would be stupid to move him on as he may come good, but even an average player can have four or five eyecatching performances in a season. Maybe that's all Carroll's "months" of performing well was.


And as for people expecting Liverpool to turn into Barca overnight? Behave. A decent improvement on last season's peformances will keep most happy, and if the team plays some decent football along the way then that will be a bonus.

Barca? LMAO

Mr Alan wrote: »

Why cite that & not his phenomenal cameo against Chelsea in the FA Cup where he very nearly brought the game into extra time by himself?

Because based on what I have seen of him so far if he stays at the club we are more likely to see moments like this than his effort against Chelsea. That moment also shows that he lacks professionalism, he bottled rolling the ball into an empty net against his boyhood club in the hope that someone else would do it from the penalty spot.

opr wrote: »

All the complaints under Kenny that we didn't seem to buy and sell with a clear vision of how we would like to play football. Now here we have Rodgers obviously with a clear philosophy of how he wants to play trying to buy and sell players based on that vision but the knifes are still out.

It seems pretty clear Rodgers is looking for players who can play across the front three positions with fluidity, interchange, movement etc. Carroll just doesn't suit that style of play. I'm really struggling to understand what people don't get about us looking to move him on. I don't expect us to play the type of football Rodgers wants overnight. It will be a slow most likely painful process which will take time with many step along the way.

Getting rid of Carroll is just a step in that process. He was bought with the ideas of a previous regime in mind for a hugely overinflated fee. None of which has anything to do with Rodgers. He's just a new manager trying to build a squad from other past managers visions of which Andy is probably just one of many players he feels doesn't belong in his own.

Opr

Its not just that though.

I understand we have limited resources but unless the offer for Carroll is decent then are you going to be throwing the bathwater out with the baby to some extent by accepting a 15m bid?

Will we not be leaving ourselves without any Plan B or variation for the sake of public perception?

wonderfullife wrote: »

Interesting Forbes List on the top 50 most valuable sports teams

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/07/16/manchester-united-tops-the-worlds-50-most-valuable-sports-teams/

(LFC doesn't make the list)

An alternative list which bases things on social media - google searches, facebook fans, twitter mentions and youtube views places LFC the 11th biggest club in the world (behind Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and City in English terms, with the next club being Spurs in a lowly 49th place)

http://www.starcount.com/chart/sports-team/4f2ad56a2418ae215b000084/today

How many Facebook likes will a decent forward cost us? :pac:

Just after turning on SSN, didn't realise we'd actually confirmed that Carroll wasn't part of our immediate plans to the players reps. We've made a bags of this, the player & potential suitors hold all the cards here. Loan move it is

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just after turning on SSN, didn't realise we'd actually confirmed that Carroll wasn't part of our immediate plans to the players reps. We've made a bags of this, the player & potential suitors hold all the cards here. Loan move it is

Pfffft Sky.....lol

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just after turning on SSN, didn't realise we'd actually confirmed that Carroll wasn't part of our immediate plans to the players reps. We've made a bags of this, the player & potential suitors hold all the cards here. Loan move it is

Again, he CANNOT be allowed to go on loan.

Whatever about letting him go to give Rodgers extra funds to fufil his vision, paying (a portion of) his wages whilst at another club whilst his contract runs down by another year is not acceptable.

No moar Aquamans! (Aquamen?)

noodler wrote: »

Again, he CANNOT be allowed to go on loan.

Whatever about letting him go to give Rodgers extra funds to fufil his vision, paying (a portion of) his wages whilst at another club whilst his contract runs down by another year is not acceptable.

No moar Aquamans! (Aquamen?)

Rodgers has told the player's reps he's not in his plans.

His reps say Carroll has no interest in a permanent move away from Liverpool.

Loan it is.